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Posted: 4/27/2003 9:41:04 AM EDT
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Greetings - I recently purchased a Bushmaster Stubby, and I am interested in putting a C-More on it. I have seen the Scout model made specifically for the A2, but I also have a spare C-More that I could use to mount on this A2. What I am looking for are the pros / cons to buying a scout type mount for the A2 and mouting the CM that I have on it as opposed to buying the scout setup. Does the scout setup made on the sight mount it lower? Will my fixed sights still be useable if I use a scout type mount and my current sight? I know that the scout setup is supposed to allow this on the A2, but if the separate mount / sight combo mounts it higher, this may not be true. Alos, I am looking for FIRST HAND experience with this setup on an A2 in general. I have been using C-Mores for quite a while on other weapons, but this is my first AR... Thanks in advance, BT |
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I am also a fan of the c-more sight and I have it on one of my ar's. If you have an a2 (carry handle) upper there is no reason to get the c-more (Colt) tactical sight. The one with the back up sight is only designed to go on a flattop. Now the c-more scout sight does have a much lower base and will allow your to cowitness your sights. That means that your iron sights and c-more sight are on the same plade of elevation in regards to the aiming point. Your spare c-more is probally a railway model (no sights no scout set up). The only way to get that to cowitness on your a2 rifle would be to use one of a variety of railed handguards that don't ad elevation. Most notibily the Knights armament ras/ris. Railed handguns like the SIR from ARMS ad elevation and in additon the SIR does not fit on A2 rifles. Cowitnessing seams to be a buzz word around here in the last year or so and it is a good concept. If you get used to a certain hold and position you want to keep that position when you switch sights. I do think though that in the gooseneck (c-more scout) setup you loose what I see as one of the primary advantages of the c-more sight. And that is a uncluterd feild of veiw. Of course you still enjoy the ability to better shoot at night as well as being paralax free. I just find the sights in the way when I am trying to use the dot (especially the rear). I have a c-more railway on a flattop ar currently as well as a few other firearms. I also now have a spare railway and I will also be mounting it to an A2 ar. I have not decided yet how but it might be something like ontop of the carry handle which may be just to high or an ARMS 39 wich is a bilevel rail that attach to the carry handle. It alows mounting over the handguards but would not allow you to cowitness with your iron sights. This (in my case) would be the preferance as the iron sights would be lower in the feild of view and the dot higher. Giving me a more unobscured veiw but still alowing use of the iron sights through the glass of the c-more in case of battery failure of sight dammage. Hope this helps. |
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ajacobs - Yes, that does help a lot. Many thanks. If the ARMS 39 rail will allow each to be used on a different plane, that too would be my preference, and closer to what I have on my larger rifles. Is this a combination that you have tried?, or have seen installed on an A2?, enough to be sure that it does in fact allow the standard A2's to be used low in the frame of the CMore? If so, can you steer me to a source for that rail? Also any heads up on good pricing for this rail or the CMore scout setup would be greatly appreciated. This would allow me to use the CMore that I currently have, and then I could replace it as a backup at some point in the future. My intent is to use this set up specifically for entry duty, with the iron sights as backup or for any subsequent extended distance shots in a pinch. The fact that the CMore would be slightly higher would be a plus for this purpose, especially with the shorter stock. Again, thanks for the help. BT www.nleomf.org |
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another option might be calling c-more and seeing if they will sell you the scout rail. IT appears that the railway attaches to the mount with just 2 screws. One right before the lens and the other through the battery compartment. This would not allow the sights to be lower it would "cowitness". In regards to the arms 39 they are listed in lots of places and the price seems to be 125 in most of them. www.mstn.biz www.sableco.net etc. I have seen this setup and it appears to work well. Although you do have a rail on the top of the carry handle (you can still use your sights). I wish there was a slightly better option that would hold the sight high like the arms 39 but didn't put the rail on top of the carry handle, as I don't need it. The other option is just a rail on top of the carry handle that allows the sights to be used. I am just afraid that might be too high. As I am only mounting a c-more and no other accesories I don't want to sink 300 bucks into a handguard to take advantage of a sight I am not using. I did think of buying a new upper receiver (no barrel or bolt etc) for a 100 bucks and a back up iron but I have pleanty of rifles that way and I don't know if I can put on the barrel and gas tube myself (I have never done it) Let me know if you find some other option as I am in the same situation. |
| I called c-more today 888-265-8266 (Orders) and they said that they found that the sights really do not get in the way. They do just sell the scout mount with everything needed for the change over for 99 bucks plus shipping. I might try it out as like you I haven't seen it up close to know if the sights get in the way. |
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After some experimentation with this stubby stock, and for the intended use, I have decided to mount it on top of the handle. Right now I am leaning toward the ARMS2 handle mount for the A2 that will allow the A2 sights to be used as well. That would put the CM up more in my line of sight without having to fold my shoulder up to get it down on the stock, while still allowing the sights to be used out beyond 25yds. Now to find a good way to mount a light without putting out the $$ for a fore end. Thanks, BT www.nleomf.org |
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