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Posted: 4/20/2003 8:08:27 PM EDT
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I have a Bushmaster V-Match 16" carbine. I'm trying to decide what to do with the upper, and I think I may put a scope on it to shoot paper. - I shoot Winchester USA Q3131A 55 grain ammo almost exclusively due to cost. I don't reload since I don't have the space or time. - Most of my shooting takes place 100 yards in due to the ranges around me. - I have very poor eyesight, - 8 diopters with astigmatism. - With my Ruger 10/22 and a 4x40 Nikon scope, I can at best keep groups under 1" at 50 yards, as long as I get out enough to practice of course  I would like M1 target knobs, but I guess they're not necessary considering I rarely go beyond 100 yards due to the ranges near me. Thanks guys |
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How much are you looking to spend? A Leupold 3x9 VXII runs about $260 or so, and is a darn good scope for that much money. For $450, you can step up to a 3.5x10 Vari-X III, which has higher-quality glass. The price goes up as you add features, of course. Another good scope for an AR is the 4.5x14. After being burned by cheap scopes, I don't spend ANY money on anything under a Leupold. All the money I "saved" ended up being thrown away when the scopes failed. -Troy |
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I think I'll end up getting that VX-II. I wish they made one with M1 knobs, but again, I guess I don't need them if I'm not shooting beyond 100-200 yards anyway. I didn't want to spend much, under $500 if I can. However Troy, you are right. It's not worth it buying cheap stuff. It's more trouble than it's worth. My Nikon 4x40 on my Ruger 10/22 was only $220, but it's a great scope. Any other suggestions are more than welcomed! |
| Nikon Monarch. I've got one on my 16" v-match. I'll put the Nikon Monarch up against the Leupold VariX-III anytime. Costs about $100-$150 less than the Leupold, has better light transmittal and super sharp images. I've got bad eyes too but when my eyes work right at 100 yards I can make out .223 holes on paper at 9x. |
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Quoted: Can't you send in a scope and have turrets put onto it?? Other than the Leupold, I have heard good things about those Russian scopes [s](whose name escapes me right now)[/s]. Edit- I.O.R. Valdada Not Russian...GERMAN glass (edit) [url]www.valdada.com[/url] and they are GREAT and Cheaper then any other HiQual glass. |
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themao Do you really need a scope? I would either keep using iron sights or get the lowest powered scope I could find, a quality one. Like one of these compact ACOGs, 2x20mm would be really nice for your carbine. I think anything bigger is really not necessary. I have a slightly bigger unit with slightly more magnification but I often wish I had the compact one. Also, think about this - a scope addds weight and bulk not to mention cost and the possibility (however slight) of something breaking or losing zero. Iron sights are tougher. The only huge advantage of a scope IMO is that it is quicker to engage a target, instead of aligning 3 things with iron sights. |
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Given the half dozen "need a scope" threads this week, and incase ya missed it, my choice and yours too if your smart, should be [size=6][red][b]LEUPOLD[/b][/red][/size=6] BTW, the IOR is as 9divdoc stated, made in Romanian, w/ glass by Schotts Glass Works in Germany, (same glass as in Schmidt-Bender and Swavarski scopes, excellent clarity). Mike |
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Quoted: ...and yours too if your smart, should be [size=6][red][b]LEUPOLD[/b][/red][/size=6] Hmm....so I would be stupid to buy a S&B, or Nightforce, or Swavorski, or Zeiss? Has nothing to do with being smart. Leupold's are great! I have three on all three of my bolt guns. This does not mean that the IOR, Weaver, Nikon, Pentax, Zeiss, S&B, Swavorski, Nightforce and the others are junk...just means you have a preference. When someone mentions cost as a concern I immediately recommend the Weaver GS series scopes, they will do everything a POS VX-1 VX-2 will do and be clearer and brighter for a little more than the 1 and a little less than the 2, with the same warranty. hmmm....why buy Leupold again? I believe several of the Nikon's also smoke the Loopys in value for the price. YMMV.... |
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Quoted: , my choice and yours too if your smart, should be [size=6][red][b]LEUPOLD[/b][/red][/size=6] You forgot to add the part "if you don't mind wasting money." Leupold makes okay scopes, but they sure are not worth the price that Leupold want's for them. If you insist on spending the kind of money that Leupold wants for their scopes, forget Leupold and get a Ziess Conquest. Much better scope for the same money. Of course, there are a lot of scopes out there that cost less than Leupolds and offer the same level of quality and frequently more. ;) |
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I looked thur the Weaver Grand Slam 3-10X40 last weekend. Man is it a clear picture!! The zoom was very smooth. The quick focus ring was smooth as well and very easy to find and use. The reticle was kinda thick however. Might not be the best reticle for extremely long range shooting. From the reviews I have read on this scope it sounds great. I ordered one from SWFA last week can't wait to get it and give it a go. Shabo |
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Quoted: BroncoGlen, Zeiss is a hunting scope truth be told. The higher end Leupolds are duty scopes... This is absolutely correct. When talking about almost any of the M1 or M3 scopes in either VariXIII or Mk4 config you are talking about scopes that are at home on a sniper's rifle or on a safe queen on range trips. The Zeiss scope will be great for those of us who sit at a bench at known distances and shoot for groups. Or who use "holdover" as a technique when shooting at big game in season. A Leupold M3LR or M1LR or Mk4 will dial you right in using proper techinque, it will be repeatable and durable. The Zeiss is likely all those things as well, but they don't use it as a selling point because it may or may not meet the requirement for the life of the scope. YMMV......my Weaver GS tracked a square routinely. I did this at ranges up to 175yds for fun and practice. [:D] My Leupold's also do this..... Ed |
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The Bushnell Elite 4200s are also good scopes; their clarity and brightness are in my experience a little better than the Leupold VXIII. The Leupold VXII is only multicoated, while the Nikon Monarch, Bushnell 4200 and Weaver Grand Slam are all FULLY multicoated - like the VXIII - for about the same amount of money. |
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Quoted: I looked thur the Weaver Grand Slam 3-10X40 last weekend. The reticle was kinda thick however. Might not be the best reticle for extremely long range shooting.Shabo I have yet to see one of these, so I don't know how thick thick is in this case. Apparently it's not all that bad seeing you ordered one. Is it a "plex" type reticle? Thanks--RUT |
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Quoted: Can't you send in a scope and have turrets put onto it?? [url=http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=12633]Stoney Point Target Knobs[/url] But really, if you're shooting at <100yds you don't need target knobs. Heck, with M193 the groups will be bigger than the elevation difference. |
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