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Posted: 1/19/2003 12:33:54 PM EDT
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Holy cow! Finally, someone make it! www.specwargear.com/images/optics&lens-ACOG%20mount-1.jpg"> www.specwargear.com/images/optics&lens-ACOG%20mount-2.jpg"> www.specwargear.com/images/optics&lens-ACOG%20mount-3.jpg"> |
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Hi, Hi, Don't know why the HTML don't work. I try again. [img]www.specwargear.com/images/optics&lens-ACOG%20mount-1.jpg[/img] [img]www.specwargear.com/images/optics&lens-ACOG%20mount-2.jpg[/img] [img]www.specwargear.com/images/optics&lens-ACOG%20mount-3.jpg[/img] [url=]www.specwargear.com/optics&lens.html[/url] [url=]www.specwargear.com/specwargear%20sale.html[/url] By the way, I am looking for a TASCO Optima 2000 sight. It is quite hard to find right now, can someone direct me? Thanks! |
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This mount, or one just like it was actually made by someone on this board. This must be a copy of that mount or close to it. The Optima is no longer available as Tasco went out of business. But you can get a clone of it here: [url]http://www.arizonagunrunners.com/Products/doctoroptics/doctorsight/doctorsight.html[/url] Be prepared. Its not cheap. [img]http://www.arizonagunrunners.com/doctorsight.jpg[/img] |
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Back in the days before Canadian Tactical got his new spiffy name [;)] (was it Boland before?) he helped develope the mount for it (sent his TA01NSN to gj and all). Unbeknownst to us, others too had thought it neat after seeing KAC's pics and produced mounts of their own. I agree totally with C_T that the backup sight on the TA01NSN is a joke, Trijicon took "it's the thought that counts" too literally, I fear. Every one of the front blade I've seen on the NSN needs to be drifted to the left. When it really is so bad when the ACOG bites the dust, I doubt if the backup sights would survive that which destroyed the optic. [img]www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid44/p8fc5c89af79f7f6b2e2810efa6869ca1/fcdeaa71.jpg[/img] |
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The docter is much more robust than the optima. I have 2nd gen Docter that I like so much I just ordered another "Mil spec" water proof one. I am going to move my 2nd gen from my acog to my glock and put the new one on my acog. The mount pictured above would work -- you might have to redrill the holes but at least it would be a good starting point. I "cast" my own mount out of brownell's steel bed epoxy. It has held up great, but I was wanting something a little more professional looking. The specwargear interface looks good. Now if I could just get my hands on one... |
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Victor are you the guy that used to have a DOCTER Law enforcment (h2o proof) on top of an spr clone? If so can you post those pictures again. I tried to buy a law enforcment/mil spec model from both B.C. outdoors and Botach with no luck. Anyway I wanted to know if the L.E. model will use the same mount as my gen 2 docter or does it have to use a weaver rail? Thanks Kris |
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Hi Kris, I know the mil-spec Doctor has a built-in weaver type mount. I'm not familiar with the Gen II Doc you speak of, so I'm unsure what mount fits. Also, try Arizona Gun Runners, I think they have the mil-spec. I'll see if I can post those pics again on the SPR. I wish I still had that Mil-Spec Doc Optics, it was on-loan and I had to return it. :( Vic |
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Kris - I remember you IM'd me on this - Sorry my IM was having fits. I have one spare of the three mounts I got - however it will definitely not fit the DR Optic unless it is re drill and tapped for the DR Optic mount seems to be placed differently than the Optima. From looking at the mount I think I know where some of the Knight's model shop protoypes that went out the FBI ended up... |
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Kevin I'd like to buy your mount. I think my IM works but I'm not sure. Or you can E-mail me at [email protected]. Thanks Kris |
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... OK, after much procrastination, apathy, goofing off and resources falling through, I've finally gotten to this phase. The following photos are of a [b]Docter Optic[/b] mounted to a prototype on an [b]ACOG TAO1NSN[/b] sight. The prototype is only a nylon stereo lithography model created from a CAD solids model. It appears rough but production 6061-T6 aluminum mounts would have a smooth, 63 RMS finish or better. It would also be hard black anodized. ... Is there still any interest in this after all the time I've dragged my feet on the project? ... I know theres a huge requirement, largely unfilled by the industry, for back-up optics for CQB work on the [b]ACOG TAO1-NSN[/b] using fine [b]Docter Optic[/b] systems but no one is making the damned mount. ... If I can get interest from this board (and perhaps the Military) I'll start an initial low rate production run. ... I'm guessing they would run about $80 apiece but could come way down on any order of significance. ... Let me know. [img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=11474[/img] [img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=11492[/img] [img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=11475[/img] [img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=11477[/img] |
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Is that the final prototype? I hate these goof offs at specwargear.com, twice I emailed them, twice they asked me to email back later. Some customer service, don't have the courtesy to notify me when the mounts become available, as if I was asking them for a stinking favor or something, screw them punks[chair]. The way I've been dealt with so far, there's no way I'm going to spend a dime on these a holes. |
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Quoted: Winston_Wolf, could a lower clamp piece be manufactured for mounting the Docter on other TA01 models and the TA31s and the TA11s? (The TA11 has a larger eyepiece, which would complicate things, doesn't it?) ... Interestingly enough, when designing in 3D CAD solids, you can parametrically change (resizing apertures & mounting hardpoints) features and simply "save file as" what ever flavor you want. However, anyone can "sketch up a concept" what is a bitch is getting them into production without giving up an arm and leg. I have designed this prototype to be NC programming friendly and my brother (another member on this board) is going to help me get some "machine time". ... and [b]Duffy[/b], this is an NC stereo-lithography 3D dummy model. My next "run" will be the real thing productions. Now, my brother and I are going actually write the program and set-up the machine so that will save us all some money in the end. I suppose, if you wanted one in "white" you could save the costs of anodizing which I have no leverage over. ... Stay tuned, keep the questions and recommendation coming. We will get this right! |
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I'll get one , absolutely. When ready drop me a line @ [email protected] , thanks PP out |
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Good work Winston! I bought the SpecWar optima mount and redrilled it for the Docter. The optima mount is about 1/8th of an inch to short and the Docter cantilevers over the front of the mount. So I'd be in for one of your mounts. However, I do have some constructive critisism of your prototype. First, it sets a little higher than my current set up. The SpecWar mount has a relief cut in the bottom to clear the Hump on the Acog where the occular housing joins the main body of the scope. Cheek weld is already an issue with this set up so anything to lower the Docter is helpful. Second, the SpecWar mount places the Docter a little more forward than your mount (The plastic hood just barely clears the ACOG's elevation drum cover) The ACOG has such short eye relief that the sharp top edge of the Docter pounds my forehed when I shoot using the ACOG. Yours, being back even further, would only pound me worse. Third -- I have built two prototypes my self and now I run the SpecWar mount. None of the three had any pins on the top surface to engage the four holes at the corners of the Docter. As a consequence, when the sight is removed and replaced it does not return to zero. Most commercial mounts have such pins. You should consider using them on your mount. I'm not trying to be picky -- I just have a lot of trigger time with a similar system and am trying to help you bring a better product to market. Thanks Kris |
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Quoted: ... I'm not trying to be picky -- ... and am trying to help you bring a better product to market. Kris ... I don't [i]even[/i] see it as being picky Kris. On the contrary, this is [u]OUR[/u] project. It is NOT my plan to make money off anyone on this board. Your points are quite valid and I'm going to look at incorporating your ideas. All, I encourage your participating in it's design and engineering. I see us all as an [b]Integrated Product Team[/b] (IPT). We all participate in the "art-to-part" phases. ... How many times in life have you looked at something and thought it could use a design improvement but you bought it anyway because it's all there was. As an engineer I see this every day with half the things I touch. |
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Winston, if you can make yours like KAC's prototype, I'm in for one! [:d] I wanted to voice the same opinions as Ink but since I didn't do anything to contribute to your hard work I didn't want to say anything, in any case yours will work as is, and will be better with Ink's input [:)] |
| Cin, because the TA01 series have no BAC, its BUIS is awful. For existing TA01NSN owners, and if a mount is made for TA01 as well, a red dot on it not only solves the CQB problem, it can also be zeroed for, say 25 yds while the ACOG itself is zeroed for 100yds. Kind of like the HK G36 red dot and scope combo in the carry handle, except ACOG is much better than the dinky HK scope. |
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Cincinnatus While I can't say this system is "better" than a TA31 or TA11, I do believe it has some advantages. First - BAC works well but almost everyone would agree that a 1X dot sight is slightly faster. The Docter has a big bright dot that is quick. Second - the 1X sight has unlimited eye relief and is not sensitive to eye placement ( either side to side or up and down). This aids in shooting from awkward positions or with a gas mask. Third - The NSN's fine cross hair is still available for precise shots while the TA31/11 have more corse reticles for BAC function. Fourth - Personally I think a battery is better for me than tritium. I believe that when the lamp dies in a TA31/11 it will probably be illeagal for civilians to own them. So we outlaws that still have them won't be able to ship them off for a recharge. Docter Optics claims batteies last up to 6 years always on, and I can replace them myself for $1.95. Now I do believe that the dual optic system is less durable than the TA31/11. The Docter sight seems tough but it does stick up there where it could take a big hit. Also the version of the Docter this mount accomodates is not waterproof. It is however water resistant. The instructions say the sight can be washed in distilled water. I have submurged mine with the battery in and power on and it continued to work just fine. It should however be dried to prevent corrosion to the battery contacts. I plan on buying a TA31 when the supply catches up with demand. If and when I get a TA31 I will be more than happy to post a side by side comparison of the two. |
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somebody asked about the ta01. [img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid61/p81cfdaed9202cafe4904a9f25ffe4d40/fc3b7429.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid61/p441e785604b1d6888bfb26c58383c98a/fc3b742b.jpg[/img] (lousy, hurried pics) i actually did this last year- i was gonna post it- but i dropped my laptop on its usb ports too many times and they stopped working. got all fired up about this thread and tried it and it worked. go figure... anyway- jp shotgun mount(recut), fitted to hood with 2 cap screws and a roll pin. gets it lower than gj's did (no offence to gj, he did us all a great service.), and away from your eyeball- like a red dot should be. [b]winston- fantastic! best of luck.[/b] anyone know of a dr-optic shotgun mount like the jp? |
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Sweet I thought about making a mount out of plate that would slide under the thumb screws of the TA51 mount, run up the side of the scope, bend 90 degrees and hold the red dot in about the same position as your's. But the idea seemed too cobbled. Your's looks nice. It sure as heck wouldn't smack my forehead. Kris Edit to add-- try BC outdoors for a docter shotgun mount, but beware their customer service sucks big time. |
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thanks inkaybee. cincinnatus- another reason is if you prefer the precision reticle of the ta01. [oh, i see now that you mentioned that, inkaybee.] i forgot to mention- [b]it's rock solid.[/b] if i can keep my hardware working, i'll take some good pics and post 'em. |
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