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NM, USA
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Posted: 7/20/2015 6:48:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tdonaldson3:
Wow that was boring ^^^Idiot. |
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Posted: 8/6/2015 7:15:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tdonaldson3:
Wow that was interesting Fix it. Although mags are disposable it's still very interesting to see how they hold up to adverse conditions. |
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Posted: 8/9/2015 6:54:35 PM EDT
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Cool thread, makes me want to check out the tech side again.
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ME, USA
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Posted: 8/14/2015 11:26:33 PM EDT
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I live in a very cold climate, I would like to buy a set of 8 mags for extreme cold weather use. Can someone in the know recommend a extreme cold weTher mag?
Tia |
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Posted: 8/15/2015 2:05:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Core: I live in a very cold climate, I would like to buy a set of 8 mags for extreme cold weather use. Can someone in the know recommend a extreme cold weTher mag? Tia Minnesota is about the same for winter weather maybe even a little colder I've used PMags in the dead of winter with no problems at all I've dropped them on concrete @ -30 no breakage |
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Posted: 8/15/2015 9:14:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dpmmn:
Minnesota is about the same for winter weather maybe even a little colder I've used PMags in the dead of winter with no problems at all I've dropped them on concrete @ -30 no breakage Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dpmmn:
Originally Posted By Core:
I live in a very cold climate, I would like to buy a set of 8 mags for extreme cold weather use. Can someone in the know recommend a extreme cold weTher mag? Tia Minnesota is about the same for winter weather maybe even a little colder I've used PMags in the dead of winter with no problems at all I've dropped them on concrete @ -30 no breakage I use only P-Mags and GI and have not had a problem due to cold weather ever. I have dropped plenty of mags on hard surface in all types of weather and the only mag I remember failing is a P-MAG that cracked when I stepped on it after dropping it on a 80* day in a class a number of years ago. Mags can fail, they are not meant to last forever. |
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USA
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Posted: 10/30/2015 10:54:37 PM EDT
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So much good info. Can't let it drop off into obscurity.................
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Posted: 11/2/2015 12:22:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluefalcon: I do like the test and I don't have the money to destroy magazines. My point is that while the test is interesting, it isn't conclusive. Moreover, the above comment about certain test articles being a sample of one is only relevant in the context of doing ONE test on ONE article. If you test multiple magazines against each other, there is bound to be some small variation in impact force and angle, no matter how carefully you set up the test. In other words: No, the test isn't perfect. Yes, it's still interesting. Yes, the Magpul guys still sound whiny by complaining about it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluefalcon: Originally Posted By KurtVF: Originally Posted By bluefalcon: If one magazine cracks in a particular test, that simply indicates that magazine COULD crack. The problem with attempting to compare products is that the impact wasn't EXACTLY the same for each of them so product A may perform better than product B in one test but if several iterations are done, it can have the effect of smoothing out test anomalies. In other words, if the test were conducted multiple times with as strict a procedure as possible, the Troy or Lancer magazines might have developed a crack similar to the Magpul and Tapco magazines. Or they might not, but the only way to fairly compare them to each other is to perform multiple tests. You should do that. A good way would be a secure way to hold the magazine and have a pendulum type device that could vary the amount of force depending how high it was dropped from. I think Fortier had a chute set up that dropped the magazines the same way but people that didn't like the results complained. There was a guy on this forum several years ago that crushed many magazines in a hydraulic press and recorded the results but the people that didn't like the results complained. I do like the test and I don't have the money to destroy magazines. My point is that while the test is interesting, it isn't conclusive. Moreover, the above comment about certain test articles being a sample of one is only relevant in the context of doing ONE test on ONE article. If you test multiple magazines against each other, there is bound to be some small variation in impact force and angle, no matter how carefully you set up the test. In other words: No, the test isn't perfect. Yes, it's still interesting. Yes, the Magpul guys still sound whiny by complaining about it. However, when a person buys a magazine, they are only getting a sample size of whatever they buy. So in that facet, this test is more like what a user might experience themselves. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2015 10:23:34 PM EDT
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Id like to see magazines left out in the sun for weeks or months and then tested to see if they became brittle, also chemical testing, just for fun. Maybe I will do that myself sometime. I think there's at least a 50% chance I can mix something up that would melt or soften some magazines.
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Posted: 11/5/2015 6:17:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sbaker10:
Id like to see magazines left out in the sun for weeks or months and then tested to see if they became brittle, also chemical testing, just for fun. Maybe I will do that myself sometime. I think there's at least a 50% chance I can mix something up that would melt or soften some magazines. I can't speak for other makers, but we do have a dedicated UV chamber that hits our mags with UV that is a good bit stronger than they would ever see in nature. We left them there for several months, 24-7. No degradation was noted. In fact, our mags retained 99% of all mechanical properties. The amount of UV they were exposed to would be equal to many years left outside. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 11/5/2015 7:29:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ETSgroup:
I can't speak for other makers, but we do have a dedicated UV chamber that hits our mags with UV that is a good bit stronger than they would ever see in nature. We left them there for several months, 24-7. No degradation was noted. In fact, our mags retained 99% of all mechanical properties. The amount of UV they were exposed to would be equal to many years left outside. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ETSgroup:
Originally Posted By sbaker10:
Id like to see magazines left out in the sun for weeks or months and then tested to see if they became brittle, also chemical testing, just for fun. Maybe I will do that myself sometime. I think there's at least a 50% chance I can mix something up that would melt or soften some magazines. I can't speak for other makers, but we do have a dedicated UV chamber that hits our mags with UV that is a good bit stronger than they would ever see in nature. We left them there for several months, 24-7. No degradation was noted. In fact, our mags retained 99% of all mechanical properties. The amount of UV they were exposed to would be equal to many years left outside. Interesting, I mean that would make sense of course, I guess I guess I never considered that there was such a thing. |
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Posted: 11/5/2015 8:22:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sbaker10:
Interesting, I mean that would make sense of course, I guess I guess I never considered that there was such a thing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sbaker10:
Originally Posted By ETSgroup:
Originally Posted By sbaker10:
Id like to see magazines left out in the sun for weeks or months and then tested to see if they became brittle, also chemical testing, just for fun. Maybe I will do that myself sometime. I think there's at least a 50% chance I can mix something up that would melt or soften some magazines. I can't speak for other makers, but we do have a dedicated UV chamber that hits our mags with UV that is a good bit stronger than they would ever see in nature. We left them there for several months, 24-7. No degradation was noted. In fact, our mags retained 99% of all mechanical properties. The amount of UV they were exposed to would be equal to many years left outside. Interesting, I mean that would make sense of course, I guess I guess I never considered that there was such a thing. Yeah, with all of the testing chambers available today, there is not an environment found in nature that can't be duplicated. We can take them down to -60F, up to over 200F, control the humidity, and so on... It really does allow manufacturers to put items through the paces before and recognize potential issues before the become problems. Much better than trying to find an area out in the wild to achieve a certain climate. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/5/2015 8:32:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: VA-gunnut]
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Edited...VA-gunnut
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Posted: 11/5/2015 8:41:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KurtVF: So much good info. Can't let it drop off into obscurity................. It will never go to archive |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 11/5/2015 8:41:38 PM EDT
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I know personally that's a big concern with polymer mags, or polymer guns in general, that they may handle a few hours in the sun for years, but given enough exposure they will fail early.
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Posted: 11/5/2015 8:42:06 PM EDT
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His thread has run it's course
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Posted: 11/5/2015 10:14:13 PM EDT
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Unlocked.
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Posted: 11/5/2015 10:40:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sbaker10:
I know personally that's a big concern with polymer mags, or polymer guns in general, that they may handle a few hours in the sun for years, but given enough exposure they will fail early. There is no doubt that UV can wreak havoc on some plastics. This is another reason getting the plastic right is so critical. Basically, some plastics are completely unaffected by UV and other types of radiation. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 9:49:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ETSgroup:
There is no doubt that UV can wreak havoc on some plastics. This is another reason getting the plastic right is so critical. Basically, some plastics are completely unaffected by UV and other types of radiation. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ETSgroup:
Originally Posted By sbaker10:
I know personally that's a big concern with polymer mags, or polymer guns in general, that they may handle a few hours in the sun for years, but given enough exposure they will fail early. There is no doubt that UV can wreak havoc on some plastics. This is another reason getting the plastic right is so critical. Basically, some plastics are completely unaffected by UV and other types of radiation. I'm guessing this plays into why Magpul only offers Black and Sand now. |
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Posted: 6/21/2016 5:39:57 PM EDT
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Sun exposure test.
Since that one's in GD, and not in a tech forum, it may or may not be followed through on, but is an interesting idea. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2016 12:58:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmedPete: Mags can fail, they are not meant to last forever.
Those of us that live in states that no longer allow buying new 30rd mags have a slightly different view on things... 
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Posted: 10/21/2016 9:45:53 PM EDT
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Bump. I still use Brownells GI with a magpul follower
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AL, USA
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Posted: 1/22/2017 1:21:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: logan10]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WI57:
Sorry for the wait but I had no idea how hard it was to edit videos... Took two days and the help of the best IT guy on the planet, but here they are. Video quality isn't as good as before, but it was a lot of work to convert the files and splice them. I might do some high-definition slow-motion videos in the future if I can figure out how. Right away I started out too close to the gun, learned after a sliver of the TangoDown mag bounced off the lid. The Troy mag. Comes completely apart.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=http://youtu.be/mEPiDicxvIc
The TangoDown Mag. Top part intact, lower part all over. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=http://youtu.be/F1NMoCcTNRw
The Pmag. Half almost lands on the gun, other parts up on the barn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=http://youtu.be/TGrM6Buol94
The Lancer Mag. Listen for the parts landing around the camera. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=http://youtu.be/TVDDwzpyOmo
The Tapco mag. I was protected by the groin protector for this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=http://youtu.be/6RVHVVpR4OI
The GI mag. Pretty sure this made it onto someones radar screen. It tried to go into orbit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=http://youtu.be/DWggZu9PQLg
So there you have it, the end of the UN-scientific Plastic Magazine Test. 
I started this test to see what each mag could do, and I am honestly surprised. I didn't think the polymer mags would do as well as they did, my favorite mag has been the GI mag. But this test really opened my eyes to how durable these plastic mags can be. To prevent a shit storm I am going to let each reader draw their own conclusions as to what mag they thought was the best. And feel free to buy one just to trash it and see how far it goes, thats how this test started. I'm glad you all enjoyed reading and following this, it was fun for me. For those of you who didn't enjoy the pictures or videos please ignore me so you do not have to suffer through any future tests. 
Again, Thank You to Elliott for working with me, without his Barrett the ending wouldn't have been as exciting. 
Just now read it. You are one persistent and patient guy. I really enjoyed this to include the responses from the Magpul folks and others. I appreciated some of the manufacturers making contact with you, mailing some goodies, etc. And the TangoDown reconstruct was incredible. Thank you very much. 
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Posted: 11/30/2018 7:13:18 AM EDT
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as of this moment, Lancer AWM is king for me
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Posted: 12/1/2018 7:33:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MRW:
as of this moment, Lancer AWM is king for me |
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Posted: 8/8/2019 9:38:54 PM EDT
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did the photobucket reboot bring the original pictures back?
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Posted: 11/17/2019 9:56:32 PM EDT
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OP Request
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