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Posted: 2/11/2010 11:45:51 AM EDT
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So I ordered some CProducts mags from 44mag.com, the ones with the gray follower and I had them stored as parts kits (springs and followers out) and had them in a cardboard box on my table in the basement for maybe two months, well now going to look at it the springs have a light coat of rust on some parts of them. I live by the ocean so no doubt the salt air has helped them along. I know they're not rusted anywhere near the point of being weaker, I was just wondering how I should protect them for further rust.
I put them on a pan and sprayed them down with some Remoil and was thinking of wiping them off and going back with WD40 since that's good at breaking off rust... tho maybe overkill in this instance. I know it's not a good idea to have any lube in your mags, since that will just attract dirt and dust, is there something I can wipe on and wipe off that will penetrate the springs so they won't rust anymore but still dry enough to not attract junk? Am I asking too much here? haha I guess other alternatives would be to get replacement springs that are coated with something to prevent rust, or maybe I'll have to store them in an ammo can with desiccant packets... |
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So I ordered some CProducts mags from 44mag.com, the ones with the gray follower and I had them stored as parts kits (springs and followers out) and had them in a cardboard box on my table in the basement for maybe two months, well now going to look at it the springs have a light coat of rust on some parts of them. I live by the ocean so no doubt the salt air has helped them along. I know they're not rusted anywhere near the point of being weaker, I was just wondering how I should protect them for further rust. I put them on a pan and sprayed them down with some Remoil and was thinking of wiping them off and going back with WD40 since that's good at breaking off rust... tho maybe overkill in this instance. I know it's not a good idea to have any lube in your mags, since that will just attract dirt and dust, is there something I can wipe on and wipe off that will penetrate the springs so they won't rust anymore but still dry enough to not attract junk? Am I asking too much here? haha I guess other alternatives would be to get replacement springs that are coated with something to prevent rust, or maybe I'll have to store them in an ammo can with desiccant packets... Sir, the "rust" you are seeing is from the oil on the Chrome Silicon drying out. There is a new oil coating that we now apply to all our CS springs to prevent this, I assume these must have been parts that 44 mag had prior to us making the change. WD40 would solve the problem. Contact me via email and we can explore some other options as well. [email protected] Chad |
| Wow gotta love this site, After talking with Chad from CProducts they have me taken care of on this issue. This is the second time they've come to the rescue on issues I've had with products I've gotten from other sources(retailers, second hand...). They truly do make some great products and stand by them. I'm a fan now for sure. |
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I recommend stainless steel springs. There is no benefit to chrome silicon material, except perhaps cost. Regards, Hotgun Chrome Silicon springs do not take a "set" like Stainless Steel springs do. Stainless springs will weaken much faster than a Chrome Silicon spring. Just for the record I sell both springs. Chad |
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I recommend stainless steel springs. There is no benefit to chrome silicon material, except perhaps cost. Regards, Hotgun Chrome Silicon springs do not take a "set" like Stainless Steel springs do. Stainless springs will weaken much faster than a Chrome Silicon spring. Just for the record I sell both springs. Chad So what do you do with rusted springs? When your products first became available with CS springs, it was expoused that rust was no problem, a characteristic of CS. Your company started coating the springs with lube, but only to quell customer complaints. What's the thought and the reality now about spring rust? |
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I recommend stainless steel springs. There is no benefit to chrome silicon material, except perhaps cost. Regards, Hotgun Chrome Silicon springs do not take a "set" like Stainless Steel springs do. Stainless springs will weaken much faster than a Chrome Silicon spring. Just for the record I sell both springs. Chad So what do you do with rusted springs? When your products first became available with CS springs, it was expoused that rust was no problem, a characteristic of CS. Your company started coating the springs with lube, but only to quell customer complaints. What's the thought and the reality now about spring rust? The film on the springs is not really rust, but the oil on the springs when they dry out looks like they are "rusted". We are coating our CS springs with a coating that keeps this from happening when the oil dries. Chad |
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I recommend stainless steel springs. There is no benefit to chrome silicon material, except perhaps cost. Regards, Hotgun Chrome Silicon springs do not take a "set" like Stainless Steel springs do. Stainless springs will weaken much faster than a Chrome Silicon spring. Just for the record I sell both springs. Chad I hope everyone does not believe all the marketing hype & jibberish. Fortunately, the stainless steel magazine spring, under it's loaded condition and cyclic loading/unloading does not take a "set". I've analyzed the design and tested them. The spring will outlast the body and that is many thousand rounds. Yes, I'm a degreed ME, that's Mechanical Engineer, with only 25 yrs exp...I'm still learning. I've also developed my own spring analysis software. Generally, companies sell both types because we have a lot of armchair weapons experts around the country who know that whatever is issued to the GIs can't be the best...everyone loves a good conspiracy, right? Glad you sell both types, I know which ones I'll order. Regards, Hotgun |
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I recommend stainless steel springs. There is no benefit to chrome silicon material, except perhaps cost. Regards, Hotgun Chrome Silicon springs do not take a "set" like Stainless Steel springs do. Stainless springs will weaken much faster than a Chrome Silicon spring. Just for the record I sell both springs. Chad I hope everyone does not believe all the marketing hype & jibberish. Fortunately, the stainless steel magazine spring, under it's loaded condition and cyclic loading/unloading does not take a "set". I've analyzed the design and tested them. The spring will outlast the body and that is many thousand rounds. Yes, I'm a degreed ME, that's Mechanical Engineer, with only 25 yrs exp...I'm still learning. I've also developed my own spring analysis software. Generally, companies sell both types because we have a lot of armchair weapons experts around the country who know that whatever is issued to the GIs can't be the best...everyone loves a good conspiracy, right? Glad you sell both types, I know which ones I'll order. Regards, Hotgun 
C products makes more magazines than anyone else, I also believe them to be an honest company. Post science not bullshit if you are going to make claims buddy That said, I only buy CS springs, and I have noticed this "rust" like crap on my springs are they still go? |
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I doubt your CS springs are going to fail due to rust...but then why have CS springs to begin with??
It is a solution to an imaginary problem. But, companys have these options for those who want them & have that "belief". It does bother me when a manufacturer posts these "beliefs" regarding their product. To me that is hype and sales pitch. Now, when they say they produce & offer various options for those who want them...well, that is fine with me. Buyer beware & YMMV based on how YOU use them. Some other tidbits: Mag springs that rust tend to be cleaned and OILED by users. Wet oils & lube never sould go on a magazine or any part of it. I've seen GI mags having been stored, loaded, for 5 years fired without incident. I've seen the same mags used repetetively until the front of the box was nearly worn through from the bullet tips feeding up. Many thousands of rounds to get to thos point...and they were still functioning fine. I've also don the analysis...yes I make my living doing this type of work. Believe what you want. |
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I doubt your CS springs are going to fail due to rust...but then why have CS springs to begin with?? It is a solution to an imaginary problem. But, companys have these options for those who want them & have that "belief". It does bother me when a manufacturer posts these "beliefs" regarding their product. To me that is hype and sales pitch. Now, when they say they produce & offer various options for those who want them...well, that is fine with me. Buyer beware & YMMV based on how YOU use them. Some other tidbits: Mag springs that rust tend to be cleaned and OILED by users. Wet oils & lube never sould go on a magazine or any part of it. I've seen GI mags having been stored, loaded, for 5 years fired without incident. I've seen the same mags used repetetively until the front of the box was nearly worn through from the bullet tips feeding up. Many thousands of rounds to get to thos point...and they were still functioning fine. I've also don the analysis...yes I make my living doing this type of work. Believe what you want. Hmmm. The -10 Operators Manual says to use a light coat of CLP on mag springs. I always do it. After a short while, the CLP will evapoate yet still provide rust protection. Going with SS spings is of course another solution. |
Just recieved my C Product Mags from 44mag ,They are the 40rd ,stainless steal ,mag body ,Floorplate and spring ,Well my springs all have this brown Rust on them ? Realy not Impressed with the mags ? One mag Body has a Deep scratch down to the bare metal?Sent you an email yesterday so I guess ILL Hear from you Monday . Sure we will work things out .
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I doubt your CS springs are going to fail due to rust...but then why have CS springs to begin with?? It is a solution to an imaginary problem. But, companys have these options for those who want them & have that "belief". It does bother me when a manufacturer posts these "beliefs" regarding their product. To me that is hype and sales pitch. Now, when they say they produce & offer various options for those who want them...well, that is fine with me. Buyer beware & YMMV based on how YOU use them. Some other tidbits: Mag springs that rust tend to be cleaned and OILED by users. Wet oils & lube never sould go on a magazine or any part of it. I've seen GI mags having been stored, loaded, for 5 years fired without incident. I've seen the same mags used repetetively until the front of the box was nearly worn through from the bullet tips feeding up. Many thousands of rounds to get to thos point...and they were still functioning fine. I've also don the analysis...yes I make my living doing this type of work. Believe what you want. Hmmm. The -10 Operators Manual says to use a light coat of CLP on mag springs. I always do it. After a short while, the CLP will evapoate yet still provide rust protection. Going with SS spings is of course another solution. That is bad advice, I do not recommend lubing magazine or components (spring). In fact, this is planned to be removed on the next update of the -10. Regards, Hotgun |
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Hmmm. The -10 Operators Manual says to use a light coat of CLP on mag springs. I always do it. After a short while, the CLP will evapoate yet still provide rust protection. Going with SS spings is of course another solution. [/quote] That is bad advice, I do not recommend lubing magazine or components (spring). In fact, this is planned to be removed on the next update of the -10. Regards, Hotgun [/quote] Thanks for the heads-up on the upcoming -10 change. Once the change is issued, I'll stop using CLP on my springs. |
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Just recieved my C Product Mags from 44mag ,They are the 40rd ,stainless steal ,mag body ,Floorplate and spring ,Well my springs all have this brown Rust on them ? Realy not Impressed with the mags ? One mag Body has a Deep scratch down to the bare metal?Sent you an email yesterday so I guess ILL Hear from you Monday . Sure we will work things out . We will take care of it. The scratch could have happened at any time. We do not ship magazines out with a large scratch. I do apologize for that. Just a side note, I spent last week in California with 5 different SWAT teams and 6 different PD departments. We fired over 6,000 rounds fully automatic, and 3 round bursts in H&K 416, Colts, Bushmasters, and Ferfrans rifles without one failure using our 40 round magazines. The 30 round magzines were fired the same and we experienced 2 failures but when fired the second time with the same magazines, no failures. They all had chrome silicon springs. Adams Arms fired over 2,500 rounds in 2 - 40 round magazines last week without any failures. Chrome silicon springs. POF has over 5,000 rounds through our 40 round magazines over 6 months time, no problems. All have chrome silicon springs. We shipped over 4,000,000 magazines last year and 90% have chrome silicon springs and except for a few complaints, mostly here on AR 15, we have experienced no problems. Just a fact, not opinion. Larry |
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Now I understand why CProducts are hard to find with SS springs and all the good deals have CS springs. AIM had some for $6.95 with CS springs and Anti-tilt follower. That was a deal...they are sold out now. Has nothing to do with price. Anyone can order our magazines with stainless steel springs. They are the same price. Most choose the chrome silicon spring. Larry |
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AIM had CProduct 5.56 mags, but only offered CS springs at their $6.95 price. Mag44 has some good deals on CProduct 5.56 mags, but only with CS springs.
The only good deals I find with SS springs are D&H at DSG Arms for $6.95 and AIM had some D&H for $6.95 but are sold out. Don't get me wrong, I love CProducts mags I just will not own a CS spring from anybody. Since 90% of CProduct mags are CS springs it's hard to find deals with SS springs without paying full price. How about running a SS spring, "Spring time special", CProducts 5.56 30 rd. teflon, SS spring, Anti-Tilt follower mags for $ 6.95 ea. for 10 or more. I'm ready to order and won't have to buy anymore of those D&H mags. |
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AIM had CProduct 5.56 mags, but only offered CS springs at their $6.95 price. Mag44 has some good deals on CProduct 5.56 mags, but only with CS springs. The only good deals I find with SS springs are D&H at DSG Arms for $6.95 and AIM had some D&H for $6.95 but are sold out. Don't get me wrong, I love CProducts mags I just will not own a CS spring from anybody. Since 90% of CProduct mags are CS springs it's hard to find deals with SS springs without paying full price. How about running a SS spring, "Spring time special", CProducts 5.56 30 rd. teflon, SS spring, Anti-Tilt follower mags for $ 6.95 ea. for 10 or more. I'm ready to order and won't have to buy anymore of those D&H mags. Give me a little bit, I am trying to put something together for you. Chad |
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The film on the springs is not really rust, but the oil on the springs when they dry out looks like they are "rusted". We are coating our CS springs with a coating that keeps this from happening when the oil dries. Chad Looks like rust to me. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v503/AR15forme/USGI%20Mag%20Disassembly/IMG_6085.jpg This is lube? Gimme a break. |
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The film on the springs is not really rust, but the oil on the springs when they dry out looks like they are "rusted". We are coating our CS springs with a coating that keeps this from happening when the oil dries. Chad Looks like rust to me. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v503/AR15forme/USGI%20Mag%20Disassembly/IMG_6085.jpg This is lube? Gimme a break. No, that is rust. I don't know how old those are, where they came from, shipped from C Products? A distributor? How old is the question as we changed lubricants some time ago. Larry |
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waiting on $6.95 cproducts 
I have 2 problematic mags, and I emailed some time ago and never got a response.. Should I just mail them in with my info? Send e-mail to [email protected]. He will take care of it. Larry |
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