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Posted: 11/27/2006 11:00:03 AM EDT
| I don't have my IM yet but I am sure it is coming. I am sure combatvet is suffering right now, and I appreciate what he is doing. I haven't set this all up yet, but I would like to set up a way for each of us who benefit from the group buy to send him $1. I asked in my post in the group buy thread if he has paypal as this would be the easiest way. If he does then we can donate there. Otherwise we could each mail him $1. When we consider how much we will save because of his hard work $1 is not much, but if a hundred or more of us chip in it could add up. Post if you are in. |
Yes...I have always been curious as to this....you see as I understood it, feedback was for a when a product exchanged hands from one to another....CV neither accepts the funds nor delivers a product, he merely facilitates the means via some computer time...which he must have a lot of to answer all those IM's. I dont really care however since others have noticed it, I find it rather odd his feedback should boost over the mere cordinating efforts.... |
I'm sure he's not doing this for free, I see no need for group buy customers to compensate him further. Besides, that dollar is most of the savings you received in participating anyway.  I bought a few group buy mags, but the savings isn't anything extraordinary. If you need mags, then great, but the prices aren't low enough to buy what you don't need. |
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I appreciate the gesture but I cannot nor will not accept anything for this. Donate to a good cause please. Also my EE feedback has never been raised because of a group buy. Every single one of my feedbacks have resulted from a private deal with another ARFCOM member. I have bank statements, money order receipts, and at least 120 members out there to prove those at EE deals. I challenge you to spend the time to prove that every single one of those feedbacks weren't earned in private transactions, if anything some folks never bothered to leave feedback. I take offense to the sly accusation that I either hadn't earned something or I have an agenda by doing a group buy. Last time I'll say or do anything about this, I just completed 5 EE deals this past week, average that out and you'll see what I'm saying. Please know the facts before you spout nonsense. It's not about what I get, never think for a minute I do it for any compensation. I spent so much time answering request for IM's that I didn't even get a chance to order any for myself. Yep, sounds like Combatvet is being selfish. |
| Unfotunately it seems there are some rather ungrateful people here who were expecting $5 mags on this group buy. With prices on EVERYTHING going up up up I have been surprised to see Cproducts mags still as cheap as they have been. Larry tells us BEFORE the price goes up so people can purchase at the lower price. Your basic dryfilm w/magpul follower was $1.30 cheaper with the group buy. HUGE discount? Nope, but with the quantities I'm sure people are ordering that could add up to a pretty substantial savings on the order. Cproducts is a business ie they exist to make a profit. To be honest with the demand on mags right now after the elections as far as I'm concerned they discounted when they should be raising their prices to $13-14/mag! All the vendors are out of mags, dems will make it a priority to ban them again, and people expect them to LOWER their prices!? Supply and demand boys. Demand is huge, supply is behind, and Cproducts LOWERS their price for a few days and people are actually bitching about it. Unbelievable. You don't like the price, don't buy them. I think it was pretty nice of Larry and CV to do this. |
10-4 on thanks to CV  None of us has a lot of spare time to make something like this happen. That in itself should say something! And if the price isn't astounding enough for you, go down to a local GS and see what some of these bozo's  are wanting for junk mags, let alone new ones! my 2 cents worth (first amendment and all...)  Keep the faith y'all... Oilfieldtrash |
I think the whole issue that has people upset is that standard retail prices for CProducts mags were actualy cheaper when the Group Buy was first announced than with the actual Group Buy discount. People who waited for the Group Buy to begin and were not told what the Group Buy prices were going to be ended up paying more than if they bought independently a week ago. The delays in the kick-off coincided with the CProducts price increase, so the the prices increased across the board, then the discount was applied to the new increased prices instead of the prices of a week or more ago. We ended up waiting to pay more, that's all. Intentional or not (hard to see the conincidence myself), that's a completely valid reason to be frustrated. Just my opinion, but this could have been handled with more openness. Letting us know what the prices would be instead of being so hush about it would have been fairer. This also should have been called a "sale" for ARFcommers only instead of a Group Buy. Group Buy implies far more dramatic discounts that what has occurred. |
| I'm sorry for the unnapreciated asses who are complaining. Thanks for all of your hard work--I got 20 of the stainless mags at a great price and I am now a team member of this site thanks to your encouragement. Anyone who got in on this group buy should say thanks by becoming a team member. Take care CV. |
Well put and if you look at this link Thread announcing C products price increase on the 8th post C products rep said that prices for the group buy were already agreed upon. So that means ya'll knew at the time that the group buy prices were going to more than prices were at the time you were hyping the group buy. You have admited it. It was no deal at all. |
Ah, no logical response, just sarcasm. Can you refute what is already out there on the net? Nope. You hyped a group buy that you knew was priced higher than the current prices when you set up the group buy. You did no one a service, the proof is out there, and now people are calling you out on it and all you can do to defend yourself is be sarcastic. Support your case if you can. |
I only received the group buy pricing a week before it started. How the heck do I control the pricing? You need to chill, I have nothing to do with what C Products charges for their magazines. You get the facts straight CUR! Oh BTW last time I checked I'm still here responding to the negative comments. That really sucks because so many comments have been positive, but I've been too busy to thank those that posted them. That will change from now on, I'll not waste my breath anymore on the naysayers. |
| I've got my facts straight. If you click on the link I posted earlier on 11/17 C products is saying the price had already been agreed upon. So you only got the prices a week before the sale? Not according to that post. I will refrain from calling you a name unlike you did and keep this above board on my side. |
OMFG, SHUT UP. If you dont like the prices, dont buy. No one is losing anyting if you dont buy. Dont spoil it for others. CV has done may group buys, that have benfited all of us and I dont see you doing any of the work to organize a group buy. It is the ungratful lazy a$$es like your self who always complain. Can you get a better price from someone else well do it. otherwise move on 
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This is all water under the bridge at this point, it is what it is. I just hope there's people out there taking notes on how to properly and fairly run such endeavors in the future. Lesson Learned #1: "Group Buy" has built-in expectations. A Group Buy is a single bulk order financed by many to maximize savings, the pooling of resources. If it's just a discounted price independent of numbers purchased, then by definition it's a "sale." A spade is a spade. Lesson Learned #2: Delays foster anticipation and expectation. Combat Vet, sorry to hear about your health truly, but with so many people participating in this with so much interest generated at the initial announcement, the moment your own situation showed any incompatibility with the process, you should have passed the torch to someone who was in a position to do it. Lesson Learned #3: Transparency negates disappointment. The delays and the needless secrecy of the prices, intentional or not, created hype/expectation/whatever you want to call it. The Group Buy and its Prices should have been announced simultaneously, then protect the actual process of ordering mags from non-ARFcommers (if that's what the purpose of it all was). Anyway, nuff said by me. Moving on with life. |
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I for one am grateful for the opportunity CV gave us to participate (or not if you didn't want to). I have participated in some of the Black Rifle and Optic group buys in the past, and none of them have generated the kind of buzz that this one did. No matter how you cut it, CV had to wade through hundreds of requests for information and get the price lists and contact information sent out. As I see it, he has spent at least two days of his time doing this for the general good, and should be thanked for his efforts. No doubt about it, you will never keep everyone happy in a group of more than 2 people, and AR15.COM is no exception. I was personally embarrassed to read some of the jackass negative notes that have been posted concerning the unpaid/volunteer effort of someone just trying to do a good thing. CV, thanks a million! |
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Price is set my the sponsor. Who are you to say what it should be? I can handle anything, no one stepped up and I wasn't about to ask. I've kept my end of the deal here, I've delivered. Again I'm sorry I got messed up in Iraq, blame me if you want but I stand by everything I've said and done. How about you showing me how it's done? This is my 3rd Group Buy and only a small handful of individuals are complaining. Orders number in the hundreds for thousands of dollars worth of magazines, someone took advantage of it. How do you suppose they protect the Group Buy from non AR15.COM members after the information is released? This ain't the CIA. Guys this was one guy working with another to provide a product for many of you. It is simple, if you don't like the price don't buy the product. If I over hyped it then so be it, I'm a soldier not a salesman. Sorry your expectations weren't met. Thanks, AlphaBobRI and the many, many other that have offered their kind words and support. I appreciate you! |
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Many thanks for running this GB CombatVet. I was shopping for mags the last couple of weeks, and the GB saved me a bit. Can't speak to every option in the buy, but the claims flying around that the GB prices were higher than the going price a week ago are out-and-out false for what I ordered. Per your request to show thanks by supporting a group helping our military, I'll add a couple of extra bucks to my next USO donation. |
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What's done is done and most (the vast majority, it would appear) are satisfied. The naysayers are encouraged to not participate in future endeavors, should they occur. As this is off-topic for the forum, and heading downhill, I am locking it. Please participate or not, but leave the drama out. 
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