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Posted: 7/18/2006 9:23:27 PM EDT
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Hello everyone Just got my first AR15 and i have a question about the mags, I just ordered 5 mags from C Products LLC and i noticed that if you push the cartridge out of the mag the lip of the brass catches the edge of the mag. i was wondering if this normal? i have a few pics to show what i am talking about. All 5 mags are doing the same thing to some extent. The mag that came with the rifle the cartridge is tipped up more of an angle then these well i was going to post some pics, if you would like to see them IM me and i send them to you. |
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Hello everyone Just got my first AR15 and i have a question about the mags, I just ordered 5 mags from C Products LLC and i noticed that if you push the cartridge out of the mag the lip of the brass catches the edge of the mag. i was wondering if this normal? i have a few pics to show what i am talking about. All 5 mags are doing the same thing to some extent. The mag that came with the rifle the cartridge is tipped up more of an angle then these well i was going to post some pics, if you would like to see them IM me and i send them to you. Unless you know exactly how to hand strip a magazine, I would recommend you go to the range and fire your weapon, then post your results. Larry C Products |
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Post the pics & we'll "see" of what you speak. It's not unusual to have some part of a cartridge contact non-feedlip areas of the mag when manually feeding rounds off the rifle. For a better chesck, I'd use dummy rounds and slowly feed with magazine in the rifle. Hotgun |
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In Criminal Investigations, there is a French term that relates to the fact that when any two items come into contact with each other, there is an exchange between the two. Simple stated, upon close examination you will find the scuff or exchange of materials. The true test (as this is your 1st AR) is to get off your butt and take it to the range and play with it.  This is the ONLY way to find the “proof in the puddin’” or my favorite, “Where the bear went through the buckwheat!” Old Akowie saying, “When the moose stands under a tree during a full moon, the squirrel will bark 3 times over the antlers of the moos!” When asked, what this meant, the Chief responded, “Nothing, I just thought that it sounded good!” Give the guy a break and take the time to go out and see if they work like advertised. From what I have read here, he makes a damn good Mag for your AR that you will like. Now its up to you, either let your AR sit and rust in the gun rack or get out and give her a good test drive and have fun. ArticWolf After Thought: Why don’t you just send me the C Product Mags and I’ll even pay for the shipping!  |
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Hello A few comments on my post 1. I didn't know a newbie question would be condsidered a complaint. But hey, i'm new here so maybe thats how newbies are treated. If my question sounded like a complaint i apologize to everyone. 2. I have shoot the rifle with the magazine that came with it and everything worked flawlessly. 3. There was a noticable difference on the attitude of the cartridge as it sat in the new mag as compared to the mag that came with the rifle. This led me to load a few rounds into the new mags and then i found the cases hitting the front of the mags where they did not do that with the one that came with it. 4. I NEVER ONCE said that C Products LLC sent me a defective magazine. In fact the mags that i got from them were constructed better than the mag that came with the rifle. Larry from C products is a hell of a guy, When i called him about what i saw he told me to send them back and he would send me new ones. GREAT customer service before and after the sale. 5. I thought, Hey before both me and C Products go through the expense of shipping mags across the country i would pop on to this web site and ask if what i found was normal or not. THAT is the only reason i included the name of the company that made the mags, To see if someone that owned them would tell me, Yep thats normal and will not effect the feeding of the cartridge or No thats not normal. 6. I did not have the rifle to chamber a round and see if it was going to be a problem. So i couldn't go 'just shoot it'. I wanted to make sure i didn't have a problem before i get my rifle back so i could go 'Just Shoot it'. 7. I would like to thank CCW for the lenghty E-Mail he sent me explaining to a newbie some of the feeding Issues, Tips and Tricks of the AR and making a newbie feel welcome. Also would like to thank HotGun and Mr_Wilson for thier constructive feedback. Mr_Wilson you said that i didn't know how to 'Properly' unload a magazine, maybe you could take a few minutes to tell me the proper way to do it so i know in the future. Larry from C Products i guess i have to apologize to you for being a pain in the back side. I didn't mean for a simple question to sound like a complaint. thank you Brian. |
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Larry from C Products i guess i have to apologize to you for being a pain in the back side. I didn't mean for a simple question to sound like a complaint. thank you Brian. Brian, No apology needed to me as far as I am concerned. No harm no foul. Posts some times are very hard to decide whether they are a complaint or someone seeking information. As a new guy, in time you'll get to know the guys who will help you and those who just have to much time. This is a good discussion forum, it'll grow on you. Larry C Products |
They are many around here that would say "LULA" is the answer to this question. It's a device for loading and unloading AR15 mags, me I use the tools god gave me located at the end of my arms...  Take an old M193 round (or similar 55grn fmj 223/5.56 round)in your right hand, gripped near the bullet, while holding a loaded mag in your left hand, (assuming your a righty), point the rounds in the loaded mag downward and with the tip of the M193 round in your right, press directly on the "lower" or "second" round down which sets in the magazine. May take a minute or two of poking to learn exactly where and how to press on the second round down, but when you push it downward (between the shoulder and the rim) it'll release the tension on the top round which will fall out of the mag onto the floor or bed or the box your holding the magazine over. Note: as long as the magazine is angled/tipped downward With time and a little practice to learn where to hold your right hand (helps to choke up on the round your using to push with, also helps to extend your right thumb against the side of the left hand holding the mag nearer the top) you'll be dumping rounds "right-left" "right-left" as fast as anyone using the $30 LULA tool. This is how soldiers unload their mags in the field, works very well with minimal practice, no tools necessary.  YMMV, but the M193 round is quite useful for many things: The rim of a M193 can be used on stiff "take-down pins"; use the edge of the rim to press the takedown pin on the left side and the "rim" of the round can be used after pin has been pressed out abit, (simply slip edge of rim under the edge of the TD pin on th eright side and tipping the rim like a lever works very well on hard to remove or "tight" ones) Tip of a M193 is used to adjust your front sight post or can be used to press out trigger pins etc. Hope this is some use and sorry for the comments above but you'll find the best way assess AR15 problems is not by monkeying with them but by putting them to work. Wanna be problems at home while hand cycling and finger fucking your rifle alot of times simply vanish at the range or after rifle has been properly loosened up by running 2-300 rounds thru them. Good luck with new toy and hope this has been some help.... Mike ETA - one thing else as your new to ARs, as the AR15/M16 has a free-floating firing pin, when chambering a round ALWAYS make sure your rifle is pointed in a SAFE direction. You'll notice when you eject that round a small firing pin dimple on the primer of the round you inserted (result of the free floating firing pin striking the rear of the primer as bolt slams home). Although not likely to cause a problem due to the use of lighter firing pin material in modern ARs, slam fires can happen in rare instances (where the round loaded is a reload with a higher than normal or improperly seated primer) This is the reason I never chamber a round more than 2 or 3 times and you should not either. After a round has been chambered a few times I shift that round to a lower position in the magazine and chamber a fresh undimpled round. (this is also the reason that the military to a big extent, fires their chambered round into a barrel filled w/ sand or the ground after magazine removal, in order to negate the odd accurance of a round that has been chambered many times - for safety) Also there are many forums w/ TACKED topics well worth reviewing, especially the Ammo Faq taked to the top of the Ammunition forum. |
+1. Does the mag insert easily into the mag well? Does it drop free? Does it feed? if the answer to all those questions is yes then its a good mag. Hand feeding in not a reliable indicator of performance when evaluating magazines. |
Brian, Sorry you had to put up with this just from asking a legit question. Some people are rude and arrogant to newbies because it makes them feel big, or because they expect that everyone should automatically know everything they know about ARs. The answer to your question is "Yes, it is normal for the neck of the cartridge to contact the front of the magazine when you're pushing it straight forward by hand." Normally, when you shoot, this does not occur, as the cartridge is guided into the chamber at an angle. So no worries; C Products magazines are good quality, and it is normal for the cartridge to contact the magazine when pushing it by hand. |
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Sorry if I was harsh but the question sounded more like whats wrong with this instead of how does thing work. Your question has probably been answered but if not the reason the front of the mag does not catch the front edge of the case is because the barrel extension/feed lips lifts the front of the cartridge up above it as the round goes forward when loading. |
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