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Posted: 4/17/2012 5:17:45 PM EDT
| Hey guys I was just wondering what sort of ammo you guys are using for when SHTF. I only have an ar 15, so I of course use 556 NATO rounds. But Im thinking of just stockpiling Full Metal Jacket and Soft Point rounds simply because of penetration from the FMJ and the expansion\penetration of the soft point. What are you guys getting and any tips for me would be welcome |
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If all you have is an AR15 then stock 5.56 /.223. As for FMJ or SP I'd go with SP for an SHTF situation and I'll explain why. FMJ is used by the military because the government decided it was a more humane round due to the penetration. A clean through and through wound that even if not fatal will render that individual ineffective to continue fighting but with no extra damage to human tissue and a good chance of survival. For the opposite reason FMJ is illegal to hunt with in many places. Because the object is a quick kill with little likelihood of the animal surviving the wound. That's where SP comes into play. The expansion creates a devastating wound with much tissue damage and better odds of a quick kill. I don't know how you feel about it but in a SHTF scenario I'm more apt to go for the quick kill. I keep in reserve a couple thousand rounds of 7.62x39 HP for my AK, another thousand 5.56 SP for my M4, and a thousand 9mm HP for SIG P226. If we have a SHTF situation humane is a word not likely to be part of too many people’s vocabulary. |
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If all you have is an AR15 then stock 5.56 /.223. As for FMJ or SP I'd go with SP for an SHTF situation and I'll explain why.
FMJ is used by the military because the government decided it was a more humane round due to the penetration. A clean through and through wound that even if not fatal will render that individual ineffective to continue fighting but with no extra damage to human tissue and a good chance of survival. For the opposite reason FMJ is illegal to hunt with in many places. Because the object is a quick kill with little likelihood of the animal surviving the wound. That's where SP comes into play. The expansion creates a devastating wound with much tissue damage and better odds of a quick kill. I don't know how you feel about it but in a SHTF scenario I'm more apt to go for the quick kill. I keep in reserve a couple thousand rounds of 7.62x39 HP for my AK, another thousand 5.56 SP for my M4, and a thousand 9mm HP for SIG P226. If we have a SHTF situation humane is a word not likely to be part of too many people’s vocabulary. Thx but i see many people writing the companies name like wolf and black bear do they really matter that much, arent all they the same |
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FMJ is used by the military because the government decided it was a more humane round due to the penetration. A clean through and through wound that even if not fatal will render that individual ineffective to continue fighting but with no extra damage to human tissue and a good chance of survival. For the opposite reason FMJ is illegal to hunt with in many places. Because the object is a quick kill with little likelihood of the animal surviving the wound. That's where SP comes into play. The expansion creates a devastating wound with much tissue damage and better odds of a quick kill.
+1 and a pretty good succinct statement by Atila of the issue at hand. sure, there's all these other issues: FPS, ft/lbs, and a lot of "favorite" SHTF round choices, but the statement-above sums it up. Plus––it's like the guy in NYC who asked the musician: "How do I get to Carnegie Hall from here?" Answer: "Practice––practice––-practice!" Learn to shoot that stick and put lead on target. The best round in the world ain't doing no good if you're shooting "Maggie's Drawers!" Marksmanship is not only a skill, but an art. If you're talking a real SHTF situation, your baseline is trigger control, breathing, sight alignment, wind doping, mirage, and follow through at the very least. Add in mega-stress, poor visibility, who is friend/foe in a SHTF scenario, and well. life gets interesting real quick! P.S. HOWDY and welcome aboard, Atila, with post #1. Glad you joined the best site for firearms and shooting. 
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| The biggest difference is how clean the round fires cheaper ammo is usually pretty dirty. When you consider 22 cents per round vice 85 cents you'll find you have more time to clean your weapon than you thought. Accuracy at long range out past 200 yrds can also be a factor with cheaper ammo. However if you find yourself in a fire fight odds are you will be point blank to 75 yrds so it's not really an issue. Brown Bar, Silver Bar, Tula, Wolf etc. are Russian made ammo and cheap they work pretty damn well. |
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If all you have is an AR15 then stock 5.56 /.223. As for FMJ or SP I'd go with SP for an SHTF situation and I'll explain why.
FMJ is used by the military because the government decided it was a more humane round due to the penetration. A clean through and through wound that even if not fatal will render that individual ineffective to continue fighting but with no extra damage to human tissue and a good chance of survival. For the opposite reason FMJ is illegal to hunt with in many places. Because the object is a quick kill with little likelihood of the animal surviving the wound. That's where SP comes into play. The expansion creates a devastating wound with much tissue damage and better odds of a quick kill. I don't know how you feel about it but in a SHTF scenario I'm more apt to go for the quick kill. I keep in reserve a couple thousand rounds of 7.62x39 HP for my AK, another thousand 5.56 SP for my M4, and a thousand 9mm HP for SIG P226. If we have a SHTF situation humane is a word not likely to be part of too many people’s vocabulary. Why did you feel compelled to change both the font type and size on your very first post ... ? |
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Thanks BeNotAfraid I'm glad to be here.
Learning how to hit your mark is paramount. Practice until your weapon feels like an extention of your arms. Also as wonderful as hitech scopes and holo sights are don't leave out those iron sights a dead battery has no affect on them. Everyone should master them first. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I learn to use many different tools available to me. I'm glad you find it interesting. Nice response to an antagonistic post. Good on ya.  Whats his name assumed since I'm new here that must be new to all internet forums and I'd take his bait. Just as he assumed I actually found mistakes in my grammer and spelling. We all know what they say about people that assume. |
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FMJ is used by the military because the government decided it was a more humane round due to the penetration. FMJ small arms ammo is used by the US military because it's specified in The Geneva Convention, along with several other things that make war more 'humane". |
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FMJ is used by the military because the government decided it was a more humane round due to the penetration. FMJ small arms ammo is used by the US military because it's specified in The Geneva Convention, along with several other things that make war more 'humane". Hague convention. The Geneva conventions covered the handling of prisoners. |
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