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10/21/2008 7:11:23 AM EDT
So what is the difference between Wolf ammo and Brown Bear ammo? They both appear to be Russian, both steel cased non-corrosive and berdan primed. Is one better than the other?

I've never ran either through my AR's. I have heard the horror stories about wolf causing black holes in space to implode, etc., just need to get some cheap trigger time in!


Thanks.
10/21/2008 7:14:53 AM EDT
[#1]
Have never used brown bear but have with wolf.

I would shoot about 10 wolf then 2 or 3 brass cased then back to wolf.

That would help to keep the lacker from sticking the round in the chamber.

Or just clean the bore and let cool between mags.
10/21/2008 7:18:00 AM EDT
[#2]
I've shot Wolf through my AR and Brown Bear through my Sig.

The Wolf has been nothing but reliable. A little dirty, sure, but no problems.

Brown Bear 9mm through my Sig 226... nothing but problems. It seems underpowered, and frequently caused FTEs. The gun has never had a problem with CCI Blazer or Winchester white box. I attribute it to an underpowered round. Of course that's 9mm in a pistol, not .223 in a rifle, but I've sworn off Brown Bear for now.
10/21/2008 7:21:11 AM EDT
[#3]
the wolf seems to be a lil cleaner if you can believe that and seems to have

a lil less recoil. i have shot tons of wolf and about 200 rounds of silver bear which

i think is pretty much the same as brown bear

wolf has always been good to go at least in my rifle
10/21/2008 7:25:34 AM EDT
[#4]
have shot both; prefer Wolf

ETA: i'm not sure if both rifle ammos are made in the same plant in russia, but i'm pretty sure the wolf is in tula
10/21/2008 7:33:03 AM EDT
[#5]
Thanks guys... i think i'll pick up a couple of boxes of wolf and try it out. if it works ok, i'll drop the dime on a case or two.
10/21/2008 7:44:44 AM EDT
[#6]
Ive shot a lot of wolf.  Only had a problem with one round.  The hole between the primer pocket and the inside of the case wasnt cut, so when the primer when off it simply blew the back off the primer.  No damage to anything, it was just like a light primer strike.
10/21/2008 8:36:04 AM EDT
[#7]
Like the others, I've never had a problem with wolf.

What people tell me about brown bear is that it's lacquer coated, like the old wolf used to be. I've heard that can cause some jamming issues in an AR. Silver bear is just brown bear with out the lacquer. Again, this is what I'm told, no personal experience and YMMV
10/21/2008 8:44:14 AM EDT
[#8]
This sounds like an ammo question.

Let's try the Ammo Forum.
10/21/2008 9:07:44 AM EDT
[#9]
Not an ammo guru (like some here) but one thing I have learned is to discredit the old "lacquer builds up in the chamber" myth.  What happens is that the steel case doesn't expand as much as brass would during firing.  This lets hot carbon-laden gasses seep past the case mouth.  That carbon, being deposited on the wall of the chamber, is what causes sticky feeding and extraction.  FWIW>
10/21/2008 9:12:05 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Not an ammo guru (like some here) but one thing I have learned is to discredit the old "lacquer builds up in the chamber" myth.  What happens is that the steel case doesn't expand as much as brass would during firing.  This lets hot carbon-laden gasses seep past the case mouth.  That carbon, being deposited on the wall of the chamber, is what causes sticky feeding and extraction.  FWIW>


+1
The lacquer or polymer doesn't cause problems. It is carbon blown back into the chamber.
10/21/2008 10:16:20 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
Not an ammo guru (like some here) but one thing I have learned is to discredit the old "lacquer builds up in the chamber" myth.  What happens is that the steel case doesn't expand as much as brass would during firing.  This lets hot carbon-laden gasses seep past the case mouth.  That carbon, being deposited on the wall of the chamber, is what causes sticky feeding and extraction.  FWIW>


Well, at least some people understand what happens.

More here:  Using Steel Cased Ammo in an AR-15
10/21/2008 10:38:24 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
Have never used brown bear but have with wolf.

I would shoot about 10 wolf then 2 or 3 brass cased then back to wolf.

That would help to keep the lacker from sticking the round in the chamber.

Or just clean the bore and let cool between mags.


Lacquer doesn't melt, and if it actually did, you definitely should NOT shoot brass rounds to clean it.  That = stuck case at best...and catastrophic kB! at worst.

But like I said, you can not melt the lacquer by just shooting it.
10/21/2008 10:55:57 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
have shot both; prefer Wolf

ETA: i'm not sure if both rifle ammos are made in the same plant in russia, but i'm pretty sure the wolf is in tula


IIRC:

Wolf Black Box = Tula
Wolf MC = Ulayovsk (sp?)
Brown/Silver Bear = Barnaul
10/21/2008 1:55:55 PM EDT
[#14]

My fav.
10/21/2008 4:30:03 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Not an ammo guru (like some here) but one thing I have learned is to discredit the old "lacquer builds up in the chamber" myth.  What happens is that the steel case doesn't expand as much as brass would during firing.  This lets hot carbon-laden gasses seep past the case mouth.  That carbon, being deposited on the wall of the chamber, is what causes sticky feeding and extraction.  FWIW>


Well, at least some people understand what happens.

More here:  Using Steel Cased Ammo in an AR-15


That link and this one

www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=268 (links to the above page as well)

Would take care of 349 out of every 350 Wolf/Barnul threads started, if people would actually click on the giant, ALL-CAPS first link in the ammo forum.
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