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Posted: 4/23/2007 8:39:31 AM EDT
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Why is it I see no discussion of frangible ammo in 5.56/.223? Nothing in the Oracle, or in any search I can utilize. What's the hive say? Good/Bad/Indifferent? Particularly I'm looking at the frangible ammo offered by ammoman.com. Certainly not the cheapest out there, but seems like a great home defense load... |
Comment from http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca after testing with ballistic gelatin:
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The frangibles that ammoman sells are top quality. I would certainly not want to get shot by one. But I wouldn't use it for defensive purposes. I have shot them into water jugs, and the fragments barely penetrate the backside of the gallon. They will go thru 2X4s and plywood easily without fragmenting. They will nearly penetrate 1/4" mild steel that a pistol round will splatter off of. If you shot someone with a frangible, I'd suspect that it would deliver a nasty, but shallow wound. |
When I went to a LEO expo a while back I talked to the rep from the company. The main advantage is training with steel plates at point blank range. Most things around the house are not hard enough to cause disintegration. Except for this type of training I'd stick to a good hollow point. |
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Well there you go. I learned something today. I think many folks believe frangible bullets to be safe to fire in a home without worrying about the backstop. In other words they expand and disinegrate when they hit the dry wall. So, to me it is interesting that these maintain their integrity and will penetrate wood and gyprock but disintegrate when they hit hard steel. I never really thought they were good performers. Actually I never really thought much about them until reading this thread. |
For future reference, I would HIGHLY doubt that frangible ammunition would disintegrate upon striking drywall. The only reason I say I would HIGHLY doubt instead of "it will not" is that I haven't tried it. Sheetrock won't stop anything. |
Lets do some tradeing I would like to try a box or 20rds m193 M855 BH 75 |
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I bought some & tried it a few months ago. The accuracy was OK to 25 yards, but opened up a lot @ 50 yds, but at 100yds it would literally be all over a 4'x8' backstop. I stapled up clean paper all over the backstop to find out what was going on. Tried it in a couple of other ARs & it did the same. I traded it off to an ammo vendor @ a gun show for some .308 SA. |
Markm I read some place that ammo or some like it had alot of pressure Have you had any FLAT primmers I might have to give Eric a call |
Long bullet since no lead |
Hey FMJ i have some if you want to trade. |
| We've used fangible ammo in the Air Force in both the 5.56mm and 9mm loadings. I refuse to shoot that crap! When I went to cop school, a fellow TDY student had a squib load 9mm frangible on the range. When I went to CATM school, I had an M-4 blow up on me firing 5.56mm frangible. One of our units here at Hurlburt Field had a couple M-4s blow up firing frangible when they were down South that I had to take apart to find out what went wrong. Another CATM instructor I have in my squadron was working at Pope AFB and he relates similar stories of squib loads and over-pressure loads in a lot of the frangible ammo they've fired as well. Federal is our manufactuer for frangible ammo and while I think the DODIC for the 9mm frangible is AA36, I know the DODIC for the 5.56mm frangible is AA40. In either case, I'm not shooting that stuff through any of my weapons! |
Ditto! That's what we used to qualify with before the deployment. Now i know training weapons are normally beat to hell. But holy cow. These suckers were majorly fooked up. Frangible is useless to me. |
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I've shot maybe 5K of the ammoman frang. I like it 'cause its leadfree and I'm in a bind on avoiding lead. Good news is its available. Bad news is accuracy beyond 50yds is awful. At 50yds. get a good 3in group and then one tumbles and its a foot away. If you want to shoot steel at 25 great stuff. otherwise not very useful. Also its hot... j |
Wow! I've heard these reports before. I wonder if the ammo is the same 5.56 that ammoman sells... I've shot plenty of it with no issues of any kind. Next shoot I plan to test for accuracy for the hell of it. I forgot to do that this weekend. |
Well.. I finally remembered to bring some out and do an accuracy check. At approximately 100 yards, out of a borrowed 11.5" - 1/7 carbean (since I don't run any 1/7 barrels, I had to use a buddy's gun) I shot a 3 round group. I only shot 3 cuz this ammo is a little expensive to replace, and I don't want to waste is shooting at distance.  I only wish I could get this kind of accuracy with M193 from a carbean sight radius.  |
, I will try a 200yd and 300yd test. Probably won't be for a while.
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