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3/9/2007 3:06:17 PM EDT
Never shot it before... purchased 1k and took a mag of it to the ranch junk yard.  popped through 1/4 inch steel like nothing.  My AE .223 just put a good dent in it.  Broke a concrete block in half with two shots... this stuff is no F'ing joke!!  

When I get my xm193 in I'll take some pictures of the three different loads and what they do to various junk we have piled up.
3/9/2007 3:16:57 PM EDT
[#1]
It's some pretty hot stuff.  Next time you shoot both, take note of the recoil as well.

Just posted this in another thread, might as well let it out here...
Pumpkins-O-Truth
3/9/2007 3:27:39 PM EDT
[#2]
Like I've said...I've seen it go through a car door, ventilate Johnny Jihad, and out the other door...and keep on truckin'!


PS:  Johnny was dead....
3/9/2007 3:59:45 PM EDT
[#3]
Good ammo.
3/9/2007 7:03:19 PM EDT
[#4]
So far, all of the ammo that I have stock piled is m855 or ss109.

I have an FX steel (prehardened, very tough) plate that is 3/8" thick, hanging on the wall that has several very neat holes from this stuff.
3/9/2007 7:13:28 PM EDT
[#5]
And M193 actually penetrates more at closer ranges
3/9/2007 7:21:14 PM EDT
[#6]
Definately good shit
3/9/2007 7:50:52 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
Like I've said...I've seen it go through a car door, ventilate Johnny Jihad, and out the other door...and keep on truckin'!


PS: Johnny was dead....    



I love it when you talk dirty.
3/9/2007 8:02:14 PM EDT
[#8]
+1 More 855 war stories please...
3/9/2007 9:13:19 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Like I've said...I've seen it go through a car door, ventilate Johnny Jihad, and out the other door...and keep on truckin'!


PS:  Johnny was dead....


I didn't realize it could do that.
3/9/2007 9:15:57 PM EDT
[#10]


Quoted:
Like I've said...I've seen it go through a car door, ventilate Johnny Jihad, and out the other door...and keep on truckin'!


PS:  Johnny was dead....


Yep.  Cars are concealment - not cover.  Heck, 9mm will slice through a car too.
3/9/2007 9:25:08 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
+1 More 855 war stories please...


+2...I love hearing actual accounts from our brave fighting men that have used this round in the field. I often think much of the criticism of the M855 comes from Monday morning quarterbacks with no actual live info on the terminal ballistics of the round but rather just book hypothesis on what it "should" do.
3/10/2007 4:51:55 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
And M193 actually penetrates more at closer ranges


I have heard a lot of people say that but when I fired some XM193 at a 1/2 steel plate all it did was make a pockmark about the size of a pea. When I switched to some M855 same size pockmark but with a hole all the way through.

Range was about 35 yards. Wish I had a camera that day.
3/10/2007 6:07:03 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
It's some pretty hot stuff.  Next time you shoot both, take note of the recoil as well.

Just posted this in another thread, might as well let it out here...
Pumpkins-O-Truth




Ahhhhh!   YOU KILLED THE GREAT PUMPKIN!!!!!!!!
3/10/2007 7:48:49 AM EDT
[#14]
And what a great pumpkin it was!  There was one though that I didn't get a picture of on a different trip where I experienced the "icepick" effect.  That was weird.  I've heard up to 10% of 855 rounds will do that, but that's only my inexperienced monday morning quarterbacking.

ETA:  I just wanted to say that, I think that 855 is great!
3/10/2007 8:30:25 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
And M193 actually penetrates more at closer ranges


I have heard a lot of people say that but when I fired some XM193 at a 1/2 steel plate all it did was make a pockmark about the size of a pea. When I switched to some M855 same size pockmark but with a hole all the way through.

Range was about 35 yards. Wish I had a camera that day.



+1

Had same experience
3/10/2007 10:34:08 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:
And M193 actually penetrates more at closer ranges


I have heard a lot of people say that but when I fired some XM193 at a 1/2 steel plate all it did was make a pockmark about the size of a pea. When I switched to some M855 same size pockmark but with a hole all the way through.

Range was about 35 yards. Wish I had a camera that day.


Interesting! I'll have to run some more tests of my own and see how it pans out.

Thanks for the input
3/10/2007 10:58:49 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:
And M193 actually penetrates more at closer ranges


I have heard a lot of people say that but when I fired some XM193 at a 1/2 steel plate all it did was make a pockmark about the size of a pea. When I switched to some M855 same size pockmark but with a hole all the way through.

Range was about 35 yards. Wish I had a camera that day.



I would not shoot steel plates at 35 yards with M855.  A little risky but maybe thats just me.  
3/10/2007 1:15:32 PM EDT
[#18]
I found these interesting little tidbits from an ATK spec for M855...


The bullet shall completely penetrate a 10 gage (.135”) thickness AISI 1010 to 1020 steel plate target with hardness between RB 55 minimum and RB 70 maximum, (NATO plate) positioned at 0 + 5 degrees obliquity and located 656 yards (600 meters) from the weapon. In addition, an aluminum witness plate (2024-T3 or equivalent nominally 0.20” thick) shall be located 6” behind the target to determine penetration. Testing shall be performed when the air is between 30 oF and 95 oF. This test is only performed for the First Article Test and for the first three production lots. If the requirement for penetration is successfully met for the First Article and three (3) consecutive production lots, this test may be discontinued.



Average vertical and horizontal standard deviation shall be no greater than 6.8 inches at 600 yards, or no greater than 1.8 inches at 200 yards using an indoor range.

3/10/2007 6:47:37 PM EDT
[#19]
I welded some steel swinging targets together out of A36 3/8ths plate and Guat M193 will punch right though at 3-5 yrds!
3/10/2007 7:16:01 PM EDT
[#20]
I have shot a 1" mild steel plate with my Mini 14 several times at 100 yds. With the M193 stuff I have it made a 1/4" deep dent and didn't do much more than that. The M855 that I have drilled a hole deep enough to make a bulge on the backside of the plate. The only other rounds that did that were 30 caliber. None of the 30's made it through either, until I brought some AP and it was swiss cheese!

I wouldn't mind picking up a plate of the same cheap steel and do it again.
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