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4/28/2006 7:26:16 AM EDT
the brits RADWAY SS109

what Type of Powder do they use on there SS109 LOAD?
4/28/2006 7:42:45 AM EDT
[#1]
According to Widener's they use a "cylindrical, short cut" powder.
4/28/2006 7:44:54 AM EDT
[#2]
At my range I pick up some empty brass from 92 and boy was the PRIMMER FLAT
4/28/2006 9:28:47 AM EDT
[#3]
The powder's made by Muiden in the Netherlands
4/28/2006 9:33:38 AM EDT
[#4]
Brit ammo meets STANAG 4172 This is ALL L2A2 marked rounds
61.7gr +/- 1.7gr
3025 fps +/- 40fps (20" Barrel measured at 25M)
Accuracy >4 moa

Penetration:-

10 gauge SAE 1010 or 1020 steel plate at 570M / 623 Yards

RG L2A2 BALL

Chamber pressure = 4,000 bar MAX

Port pressure = 880 bar MIN

The British round uses Cut Tubular (NNN 241B) from Muiden Chemie International, Dutch.

It is loosely akin to the old Nobel Rifle No.2 & No.3 propellants, it is also double based.
Probably Alliant (Hercules) Reloder 11, Hodgdon H335, Vectan SP7, Vihtavouri N133, or Winchester 748 are the nearest burning rates available in commercial powders.

This loading develops low chamber and port pressures to match the dwell time of the British service rifle, longer than the AR15, which requires a shorter sharper punch of gas pressure. Therefore it potentially feels less 'powerfull' to the shooter..........

Tested 1998 LOT
L2A2 62gr SS109 BALL = 3100 fps 50F 500' 20" 1:7 AR15

FROM YOUR OWN US MILITARY :-

UK 5.56MM CONFIGURATIONS WAS COMPARED AGAINST THE CORRESPONDING US 5.56MM CONFIGURATION FOR PERFORMANCE, SAFETY, AND RELIABILITY BY THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS AT ARDEC TO ASSURE INTERCHANGEABILITY.
4/28/2006 9:48:06 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
This loading develops low chamber and port pressures to match the dwell time of the British service rifle, longer than the AR15, which requires a shorter sharper punch of gas pressure. Therefore it potentially feels less 'powerfull' to the shooter..........



This suggests that guaging the relative velocities of ammo based on recoil imulse ("it feels pretty hot") is not only imprecise,  but might be outright false.   I need to get a chrono.
4/28/2006 12:03:47 PM EDT
[#6]
What twist rate do the Brits use?
4/28/2006 9:07:56 PM EDT
[#7]
1 in 7 (NATO standard)

All our standard issue 5.56mm ammunition is 62gr - ('mostly' no green tips)
4/29/2006 9:43:51 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
1 in 7 (NATO standard)

All our standard issue 5.56mm ammunition is 62gr - ('mostly' no green tips)





Has there been any testing of the 77grOTM  like in the US
4/29/2006 10:53:18 AM EDT
[#9]
Not offically, but it works bloody well in the L85!

Our lords and masters do not want to spend money!

They see M855/SS109 as sufficient!

When the next US team comes over for International competition, with 262.............
4/30/2006 12:07:06 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:


When the next US team comes over for International competition, with 262.............



Hmmmmm.........
4/30/2006 12:08:12 AM EDT
[#11]
f**king double post
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