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Posted: 12/28/2005 4:52:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2005 4:56:34 AM EDT by Geohans]
Did a search. . .thanks!
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 4:03:31 PM EDT
CheaperThanDirt.com?
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 5:06:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:56:41 PM EDT
is there a difference between 5.56 TAP and .223 TAP? Or people just calling it both?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:52:02 AM EDT
I understand the 5.56 is loaded hotter. Northwest has .223 but not 5.56
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:45:55 AM EDT
Does anyone know of any difference, other than cosmetics, between red box TAP .223 and the black box FPD .223? Looking for ballistics and performance differences between the two. I may be wrong but are they not both loaded with the same bullet, the 75gr otm? I have shot alot of the FPD but I have read some people speak of this ammo with a little less enthusiasm as the red box TAP. What is the difference other than the casing, is there a difference in loadings?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 11:19:08 AM EDT
5.56MM 75gr. TAP goes about 200fps faster than the .223 version.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 11:29:45 AM EDT
But where can one get it?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 12:09:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Praetorian55:
But where can one get it?


I beleive the consensis is that unless your a LEO or you know of one,....You aint gettin it.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 2:53:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SOSNBA:
5.56MM 75gr. TAP goes about 200fps faster than the .223 version.



True. and it is currently LEO/.GOV only. The .223 loading is more than sufficent for 99% of requirements for anyone on ARFCOM.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:00:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pcurtis:

Originally Posted By SOSNBA:
5.56MM 75gr. TAP goes about 200fps faster than the .223 version.



True. and it is currently LEO/.GOV only. The .223 loading is more than sufficent for 99% of requirements for anyone on ARFCOM.



Why is that? Are we regular citizens some kind of inferior culture to government employees?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:32:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 8:36:53 PM EDT by VAPORTRAIL]

Originally Posted By ChrisGene:

Originally Posted By pcurtis:

Originally Posted By SOSNBA:
5.56MM 75gr. TAP goes about 200fps faster than the .223 version.



True. and it is currently LEO/.GOV only. The .223 loading is more than sufficent for 99% of requirements for anyone on ARFCOM.



Why is that? Are we regular citizens some kind of inferior culture to government employees?




I think its more the NATO pressure levels the ammo is loaded at. Hornady doesn't want that ammo fired out of a rifle with a SAAMI chamber. The result would be really high chamber pressures.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:33:27 AM EDT
XM193
XM855
Q3131
Q3131A
SA battle packs
S&B SS109
Norinco yellow box, etc

All are loaded to NATO pressures and are/were available to everybody.

Hornady could put a discalimer on the box and sell 5.56 loads to the public. They chose not to.

Link Posted: 12/30/2005 7:40:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thezman:
XM193
XM855
Q3131
Q3131A
SA battle packs
S&B SS109
Norinco yellow box, etc

All are loaded to NATO pressures and are/were available to everybody.

Hornady could put a discalimer on the box and sell 5.56 loads to the public. They chose not to.




BINGO!
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 1:59:24 PM EDT
Geohans might be looking at the 5.56 TAP for its terminal ballistics. I have seen a lot of comments on here how the heavier bullets 68g + have better real world stopping power. I don't know if the 200fps difference is that much of a difference. I know for 55g loads that rely on fragmentation it may be an issue. Just some questions that I had too. I am no ammo expert. Just read here and the ammo oracle thread.

For stopping power I like my AR10 .308 155g amax TAP.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 5:16:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sapper326:
Does anyone know of any difference, other than cosmetics, between red box TAP .223 and the black box FPD .223? Looking for ballistics and performance differences between the two. I may be wrong but are they not both loaded with the same bullet, the 75gr otm? I have shot alot of the FPD but I have read some people speak of this ammo with a little less enthusiasm as the red box TAP. What is the difference other than the casing, is there a difference in loadings?



there is 5.56 red box but the .223 red box is loaded exactly the same and has the same results as the FPD.

specs for 75gr red box and black box fired from Bushy 16" 1/9
muzzle velocity 2616
penetration 13.63"
retained weight 20.8grains
frag % 72%

in .223 the black box is probably better since it is loaded in a better case
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 7:43:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/30/2005 7:44:50 PM EDT by SOSNBA]
I agree. The 200fps advantage really wont impact you unless you shoot beyond 150-200meters or have a carbine. We've shot 3 deer with the SAAMI 75gr Blackhills load out of a 20" A2 and the results were very impressive. The real benefit of the 5.56mm version is that it provides reliabile 200+ meter fragmentation out of a 14.5-16" carbine.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 8:41:02 PM EDT
IIRC, on the 5.56 Nato boxes velocity is listed as 2665 fps from a 14.5" barrel.

FWIW,
Scott
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 9:28:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Praetorian55:
But where can one get it?


From Santa Claus!


All the good little boys and GRRlz get some; You must have been bad this year!
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 10:38:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kisara:

Originally Posted By Praetorian55:
But where can one get it?


From Santa Claus!
tinyurl.com/bef4n

All the good little boys and GRRlz get some; You must have been bad this year!



nope, got three cases!
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 11:10:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/30/2005 11:10:59 PM EDT by Scotter260]

Originally Posted By gorvibub:

Originally Posted By Kisara:

Originally Posted By Praetorian55:
But where can one get it?


From Santa Claus!
tinyurl.com/bef4n

All the good little boys and GRRlz get some; You must have been bad this year!



nope, got three cases!





That may be but you don't have shooting partners like Kisara (at least I don't think ANYONE does except maybe rsilvers).
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 12:59:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Scotter260:

Originally Posted By gorvibub:

Originally Posted By Kisara:

Originally Posted By Praetorian55:
But where can one get it?


From Santa Claus!
tinyurl.com/bef4n

All the good little boys and GRRlz get some; You must have been bad this year!



nope, got three cases!





That may be but you don't have shooting partners like Kisara (at least I don't think ANYONE does except maybe rsilvers).



this is true. thanks Santa
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 1:05:10 AM EDT
tag fo laTA
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:08:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Scotter260:
IIRC, on the 5.56 Nato boxes velocity is listed as 2665 fps from a 14.5" barrel.

FWIW,
Scott



what grain bullet? 75?

.223 TAP 75gr fired out of a 14.5" is 2518fps
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:21:14 AM EDT
So come on, guys-- where? How? Who? Does Ammoman ship to the North Pole?
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 9:05:15 AM EDT
My latest 5.56mm TAPS were going 2848fps average out of my 20" weapon, which was about 200fps faster than Black Hills SAAMI load. I'm getting a LE6920 next month so we'll see how they do out of a 16" barrel. I'm guessing about 2720-2750fps. I think this will be an ideal combination of weapon and ammo, quick-handling of a carbine with 200meter fragmentation capability.
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 4:04:23 PM EDT
WMHM4: AFAIK Hornady only offers one 5.56 Nato loading and that's on the 75 grainers.

Again, that's what the boxes say, I'd put more weight on SOSNBA's info though as his is first-hand.

Scott
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 4:16:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Scotter260:
WMHM4: AFAIK Hornady only offers one 5.56 Nato loading and that's on the 75 grainers.

Again, that's what the boxes say, I'd put more weight on SOSNBA's info though as his is first-hand.

Scott



I had no idea they only offer the 5.56 in 75gr, I just assumed they had 40, 55, 60 and 75. I quess thats what happens when you assume
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 6:49:07 PM EDT
What are the procedures for an LEO to buy 5.56 pressure TAP?

Spooky
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 10:17:22 PM EDT
Call the LEO distributor, get the waiver faxed to you, fax back LE ID and signed waiver and order.
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 10:23:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DevL:
Call the LEO distributor, get the waiver faxed to you, fax back LE ID and signed waiver and order.



Any idea if the price is less for LEO?
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 12:23:44 AM EDT
Yes it is they will give you a price list with your paperwork.
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