Winchester question > Ammunition

Posted: 12/9/2005 3:28:01 PM EDT

I went to my local Wally World and picked a couple of boxes of the bulk pack 55gr FMJ ammo.
I noticed they also had, for a higher price, some Winchester 45gr HP Varmint ammo.
Is 45gr too light for a 20" 1/9" barrel?
Jim

Posted: 12/9/2005 3:34:11 PM EDT

[#1]

That round flys true and straight outta my chrome lined 16" 1/9 carbine, usually no more than 1" moa @ 100 yds., not to mention it'll totaly ruin a ground hog's or coyote's day.

Posted: 12/9/2005 3:37:27 PM EDT

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I'll try them. I remember, vaguely, reading about light bullets spinning fast enough to come apart but I don't remember the details.
'Yotes, bunny rabbits, and other dangerous game- beware!

Jim

Posted: 12/9/2005 3:43:26 PM EDT

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I'll try them. I remember, vaguely, reading about light bullets spinning fast enough to come apart but I don't remember the details.
'Yotes, bunny rabbits, and other dangerous game- beware!
Jim

Light bullets with thin jackets can spin apart, but this is usually more of a concern in 1/7 barrels shooting 40 gr. rounds. 1/9 will shoot the Winchester 45 gr. JHP very well.

Posted: 12/9/2005 5:14:44 PM EDT

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I'll try them. I remember, vaguely, reading about light bullets spinning fast enough to come apart but I don't remember the details.
'Yotes, bunny rabbits, and other dangerous game- beware!
Jim

Light bullets with thin jackets can spin apart, but this is usually more of a concern in 1/7 barrels shooting 40 gr. rounds. 1/9 will shoot the Winchester 45 gr. JHP very well.

Varmint bullets, in particular, are often made with very thin jackets exactly because they are less sturdy and thus more likely to "deform" inside Mr. Gopher or Prarie Dog. Any discussion of military bullets disintegrating because of to fast a twist rate are not very realistic, but these Winchester 45 grain bullets are varmint bullets, so real fast spins CAN make 'em just disappear somewhere past the muzzle.

Posted: 12/9/2005 5:22:43 PM EDT

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I'll try them. I remember, vaguely, reading about light bullets spinning fast enough to come apart but I don't remember the details.
'Yotes, bunny rabbits, and other dangerous game- beware!
Jim

Light bullets with thin jackets can spin apart, but this is usually more of a concern in 1/7 barrels shooting 40 gr. rounds. 1/9 will shoot the Winchester 45 gr. JHP very well.
Varmint bullets, in particular, are often made with very thin jackets exactly because they are less sturdy and thus more likely to "deform" inside Mr. Gopher or Prarie Dog. Any discussion of military bullets disintegrating because of to fast a twist rate are not very realistic, but these Winchester 45 grain bullets are varmint bullets, so real fast spins CAN make 'em just disappear somewhere past the muzzle.

I'd like to see that. Have either one of you witnessed this phenomenon? Please state specifics.

Posted: 12/9/2005 5:27:49 PM EDT

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I'll try them. I remember, vaguely, reading about light bullets spinning fast enough to come apart but I don't remember the details.
'Yotes, bunny rabbits, and other dangerous game- beware!
Jim

Light bullets with thin jackets can spin apart, but this is usually more of a concern in 1/7 barrels shooting 40 gr. rounds. 1/9 will shoot the Winchester 45 gr. JHP very well.
Varmint bullets, in particular, are often made with very thin jackets exactly because they are less sturdy and thus more likely to "deform" inside Mr. Gopher or Prarie Dog. Any discussion of military bullets disintegrating because of to fast a twist rate are not very realistic, but these Winchester 45 grain bullets are varmint bullets, so real fast spins CAN make 'em just disappear somewhere past the muzzle.

I'd like to see that. Have either one of you witnessed this phenomenon? Please state specifics.

There is a recent thread around here where 5 shots were fires at a target with a light bullet witha fast twist barrel. One out of five hit the target and the one that did was sideways. Maybe you can do a search for it.

Posted: 12/9/2005 5:29:45 PM EDT

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I'll try them. I remember, vaguely, reading about light bullets spinning fast enough to come apart but I don't remember the details.
'Yotes, bunny rabbits, and other dangerous game- beware!
Jim

Light bullets with thin jackets can spin apart, but this is usually more of a concern in 1/7 barrels shooting 40 gr. rounds. 1/9 will shoot the Winchester 45 gr. JHP very well.
Varmint bullets, in particular, are often made with very thin jackets exactly because they are less sturdy and thus more likely to "deform" inside Mr. Gopher or Prarie Dog. Any discussion of military bullets disintegrating because of to fast a twist rate are not very realistic, but these Winchester 45 grain bullets are varmint bullets, so real fast spins CAN make 'em just disappear somewhere past the muzzle.

I'd like to see that. Have either one of you witnessed this phenomenon? Please state specifics.

There is a recent thread around here where 5 shots were fires at a target with a light bullet witha fast twist barrel. One out of five hit the target and the one that did was sideways. Maybe you can do a search for it.

Well that's nice. I've shot 45's from my 1/7 and the did not fly apart. It was UMC. I'm like a doubting thomas on this issue.

Posted: 12/9/2005 8:08:39 PM EDT

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I'll try them. I remember, vaguely, reading about light bullets spinning fast enough to come apart but I don't remember the details.
'Yotes, bunny rabbits, and other dangerous game- beware!
Jim

Light bullets with thin jackets can spin apart, but this is usually more of a concern in 1/7 barrels shooting 40 gr. rounds. 1/9 will shoot the Winchester 45 gr. JHP very well.
Varmint bullets, in particular, are often made with very thin jackets exactly because they are less sturdy and thus more likely to "deform" inside Mr. Gopher or Prarie Dog. Any discussion of military bullets disintegrating because of to fast a twist rate are not very realistic, but these Winchester 45 grain bullets are varmint bullets, so real fast spins CAN make 'em just disappear somewhere past the muzzle.

I think it was varmint bullets that I read about disentegrating with a fast twist.
Does the velocity of the bullet contribute along with the fast twist?
I will try a box of this Winchester ammo. 45gr HP at 3600fps out to do a number on small to medium size critters.
Thanks,
Jim

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