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6/1/2005 5:27:17 AM EDT
i stopped by my local shop the other day and in the pile of stuff in the corner i found a case or 2 of this pmc ammo labeled x193, bought a few boxes to try it out, seems real hot, hotter than the xm193 i usually shoot, a couple of bucks cheaper. it has the thick red sealant on the primer, looks pretty good. i was reading the review here and it looks like there is a wide array of differences between ammo, this looks to be the older stuff, what do you guys think about this stuff, and what is a good price per box?
6/1/2005 5:29:41 AM EDT
[#1]
Can you chronograph it?
6/1/2005 5:32:53 AM EDT
[#2]
no, i dont have a chrono, just woundering if it was a good buy, seems like mill spec, anealed brass, looks good, shot tight groups, barks pretty good, if i rember correct, i thnk it might have had an 80's head stamp, is this the answer to my lack of south african packs?
6/1/2005 5:42:34 AM EDT
[#3]
I don't know if it's the  cure for the ammo problem, but I was curious as to whether it chronographed slower than 193 and if it had crimped primers.  I would assume that it's not 5.56, but .223, but I don't really know.
6/1/2005 5:46:48 AM EDT
[#4]
it comes in the plain colored box just like federal xm193, and it says "5.56 m193" on the front of the box in big bold black letters. i will try to find or scan a pic if i can, i googled the shit out of it without a whole loota luck, just read a fer reviews, but most of it seems to be the newer stuff, maybe my google fu is weak.
6/1/2005 11:06:29 AM EDT
[#5]
I came across some of this today at my local dealer.  PMC 5.56 M193 in the tan colored box.  Nowhere does it say .223.  Just 5.56.  And I am pretty sure it was dated 2005.  It was $3.99 a box.  I think I might have to go and make him a deal.
6/1/2005 11:11:49 AM EDT
[#6]
tag
6/3/2005 3:23:15 PM EDT
[#7]
I have the Brown box PMC with Stripper Clips its Hot just like XM193 made in the 1980`S
IT WOULD BE COOL IF THEY MAKE IT AGIAN LETS HOPE GOOD STUFF
6/3/2005 3:40:57 PM EDT
[#8]
Didn't troy or somebody say they lifted recently some kind of ban that didn't allow pmc to sell M193 here?  Which would make sense because this is the first time I heard of someone seeing PMC M193 as of recent.
6/4/2005 3:28:44 AM EDT
[#9]
i hope so, this shit rocks
6/6/2005 10:45:14 AM EDT
[#10]
How about trying it out and letting us know what it's like?  It'd be nice to have a cheaper XM193-substitute.
6/6/2005 2:56:18 PM EDT
[#11]
PMC ammo used to be great stuff; hot M193-spec ammo that only had one problem: massive muzzle flash.  Still, with a Phantom or Vortex, it was great, and it was cheap and plentiful.

Then, in 1998, Klinton suspended PMC's import license based on a false allegation that PMC was using US-made SCAMP loading machines that (they claimed) were *given* to Korea, and were selling that ammo back to the US commercially.  The truth was that they were indeed using US-made SCAMP machinery, but they BOUGHT it, and thus could do whatever they wanted with it.  They weren't bound to any rules like they would have been if it had been given to them via foreign aid.

After about 9 months, this all got sorted out, but for whatever reason, when imports resumed in spring of 1999, the new ammo was commercial SAAMI-spec .223, not the hotter 5.56 loads.  I'm not aware of any M193-spec ammo being imported since that time, but if there really is some new M193 being brought in, that's great news.

I don't think that's the case, though.  The ammo you are describing sounds like pre-'99 ammo, which I still have a bunch of.  It was packaged several ways:

- Green "camo" boxes marked M193
- Red & White "PMC" commercial boxes
- On stripper clips in bandoleer cardboard inserts, but not in actual bandoleers

-Troy
6/7/2005 6:12:51 AM EDT
[#12]
this shit is in the brown cardboard, like federal lake city 193. you dont happen to want to sell any of your old stuff do ya? thanks for the info, that is the best decription i have found yet.
6/11/2005 5:40:35 PM EDT
[#13]
I bought some at the Louisville, ky gun show this saturday.  He was selling it for $3.50 a box.  But after talking to him I bought it for $3.00 a box.  He had 23 twenty round boxes left.  I bought them all for $69.00   They are in the cardboard boxes like M193 and state M193 in big black letters on the box.  Hopefully as observed from previous posts this will be good ammo.
6/12/2005 7:29:36 AM EDT
[#14]

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i stopped by my local shop the other day and in the pile of stuff in the corner i found a case or 2 of this pmc ammo....



Guns Galore by chance?
6/13/2005 4:30:46 AM EDT
[#15]
JMD let us know how you like it. did you get any background on it? is it the real old shit, or are they importing newer stuff like that one guy said? thanks, it was 4 bucks at this shop, not guns galore either.
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