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Posted: 7/6/2004 8:16:23 AM EDT
| No pics, but I had a Silver Bear round have a major FTEx yesterday. That thing was in there TIGHT. When I got home, I used my good old USGI steel rod and FIVE blows with a HAMMER to get the thing out. This was the first failure in this gun in thousands of rounds. What happened? |
Anyone here shoot 1000's of rounds of Q3131A and have this kind of problem? [deafening silence] I know I haven't even seen a new manufactured brass case stuck case that bad. However it IS cheap ammo. It can happen. Live with it, its VERY rare but its a posibility. That is why many of us advocate and use the cheap stuff for training and not for protections/duty/SHTF/Hordes of Zombies etc. If it happens on the range no biggie - clear the jam (usually possible) and press on; Otherwise reach into your range box for the appropriate tools - fix the problem and carry on. At a class and can't fix it now - grab your spare rifle and continue on - fix it after the class. |
Not true. It happened to me. OK, OK - it was a bad mag though and it was a FTF. On the other hand - check the ammunition review threads. There is a very small percentage of respondents who have had problems significant enough with Q3131A and XM193 that they won't use it again. It may not be the ammo, but someone, somewhere, will have had a problem. But I agree that the problem is much more likely with Russkie ammo. |
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The "jam from hell" to me is the odd story about a primer being jarred loose from the empty and being kicked right into the gas key only to be jammed down in their SOLID by the gas tube upon the carrier coming forward. Yep, have seen 1 or 2 stories here on the forums in the past 5 years that document just such an event. THAT has gotta suck. |
Yes but what does that mean? That they had .223 chambered rifle and they had FTE issues? (not unexpected when you use 5.56 in a .223 chambered rifle) Or they had a case that was jammed so bad it took a steel rod and a hammer to knock it out? Both fall under that catagory - but the first is a user problem (wrong ammo in the wrong gun) the second is likely an ammo issue. (either that or the rifle had a really piss poor chamber.....). But I think we all agree that you're much less likely to have a problem if you buy the quality ammo. The cheap ammo comes with a price - and knocking the very rare case out with a rod is a reasonable one (as long as it doesn't destroy the me or the rifle). |
I came close and had 5 primers stuck in the fire control with it jammed up on fire, trigger pulled back and the hammer down and enough tension on things that it wouldnt come apart. The croud favorite Olympic ss109 dropped 5 primers in 12 shells. |
| 223 chamber on the low side of acceptable, 5.56 round on the high side of acceptable. Check where the bullet meets the case, bet you'll see some marks there from the barrel. I've see this happen on a single shot Thompson Contender with a custom barrel. It was a tack driver but the chamber was so tight that when a marginally acceptable brass cased round was forced in, the action would not lock and the round had to be driven out with a rod. |
Exactly! The majority of the ammo through my rifle is Wolf as I shoot hundreds of rounds per session. I have had one stuck case in about 2K rounds which was tapped out with my cleaning rod. I also ripped the case head off a XM193 round so statistically they are about the same as far as failures go. I don't foll myself for a minute that the cheap stuff is as good as the good stuff and always have a mag loaded with XM around somewhere for emergency social encounters. |
Reminds me of what happened to me with Wolf ammo breaking in my AR. Fun shit huh? 
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