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Posted: 1/27/2004 6:58:14 PM EDT
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I have read all of the FAQ's and whatnot and still have a couple of questions. I may have read the answer but just can't remember. What is "green tip" ammo? I see a lot of people are really proud that they have it but I am not sure why. Also, is the Winchester White Box stuff from Wal-Mart ok to shoot in AR's? I shoot the piss out of this stuff in 9mm and 45ACP and love it. In fact, my local Wally World stocks extra 9mm for me and a couple of Smokies. |
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Quoted: Green tip is probably M855. I guess you could buy it at one time but Slick Willey ruined that. The winchester value packs at walmart are safe to shoot. It would probably be cheaper in the long run to order in bulk off the internet though. I picked up a box of "Hotshot" SS109 just to try it out. Box said it was 62gr and made by Century.....the tips all had a green rubbery paint or coating on them. They seemed to shoot pretty good, felt like a relatively hot load. Is that just an imitation on the part of the manufacturer to burrow into the "green tip" craving that most AR owners seem to have or is it real SS109/M855? |
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I have read all of the FAQ's and whatnot and still have a couple of questions. I may have read the answer but just can't remember. What is "green tip" ammo? Looks like the blind leading the blind around here fellas....... [;)], "green-tipped" is SS109/M855 steel cored ammo.... Suggest RE-Reading here: [url]www.ammo-oracle.com[/url] BTW, IIRC, that "hot-shot" stuff comes with pretty expensive, way over-priced cost to it, so a little refresher with the Ammo-Faq could save ya a bit of money. That and wise shopping. [:)] When in doubt, just re-read the FAQ as it explains things better than I can. Mike |
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25¢ a round is expensive, period. Typically, you should be looking for 15¢ a round, and be willing to go a bit over that for fresh new US military ammo. SS109 is a 62 grain bullet with a mild steel core. It is not a cartridge itself. It is commonly (but not always) painted with a green tip to differentiate it from the 55 grain M193 military load. The 62 grain US mil counterpart to M193 is called M855. It is a higher level of spec than just saying that you need to use an SS109 bullet. SS109 does not mean M855, and typically is not as hot. An example of a "bad" SS109 green tip bullet would be Olympic. Santa Barbara SS109 is a good hot load, yet the bullets are not painted with the "green tip". Igman (the actual producer of the Hot Shot ammo) sells a military surplus SS109 round that is painted with a black (not green) tip. All that stuff is made in Bosnia. Net/net: you are paying too much, and should be buying (a much better round) new 55 grain XM193 Federal or Q3131a Winchester (IMI) for a little over 15¢ a round mailorder. Nothing wrong with Winchester 55 grain white box (but it is not as hot as XM193 or Q3131a). Nothing wrong unless you don't like buying from Wal-mart (which is a common feeling). Oh . . . read the ammo FAQ again Sulaco [;D] |
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Well, I have not been able to access the Ammo FAQ for two days now and this site only works from my house. Apparently, this winter storm has messed up a lot of equipment on the backbones that certain ISP's are using to get to these sites. I only just got power back here at my house yesterday. So, the only difference is that it is steel core? Thanks. |
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Quoted: So, the only difference is that it is steel core? No. The differences are more significant, and the consequences of those differences may be VERY important to you to know before you buy anything. It would take several pages to explain it all, which is the reason I started the FAQ in the first place: so I could do all that work ONCE, not over and over. I understand that you may be affected by the storm outages right now, but I just confirmed that the site is up, so please keep trying periodically until you can pull it up. It will be worth the read. [:)] -Troy |
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The ammo FAQ have just about all the information you need before buying ammo. From advice and information I picked-up there, I almost always buy M193 or equivalent for really 'good' ammo----stepping down to Wolf (and prior to that, when it was available) SA battlepacks for general plinking ammo----I don't/no longer spend the 'extra' money for SS109, etc. |
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if you still can't get to the FAQ, IM me with your email address and I'll send you a copy in email SULACO. BTW: wideners has IMI M855 for about .20¢ a round shipped if you have to have a 62 grain bullet. The real mackoy, and STILL cheaper than that price you quoted on HotShot. [url]http://www.wideners.com/cart.asp?Action=Details&item=IMISS109[/url] |
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Bronco.....the least expensive brick and mortar ammo prices (excluding Wolf) is $3.99/20 for XM193 and Q3131a. The Hotshot stuff I picked up was definitely painted green and according to the box was made in Bosnia. Not trying to argue, just telling you what I see around here. I help out part time at a local shop so I'm able to get Q3131a for $3.29/20. I haven't yet ordered any on the web, primarily because I'm not home often enough to sign for a delivery. |
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Hi my good Republican :-) I don't think you are arguing. Nothing you have said contradicts my points either. Having good local prices must be great! the only way I can get M193 is mail order around here (or at a gin show). Board sponsor Wholesale Hunter [url]http://www.wholesalehunter.com/product/zzbanner/banner.htm[/url] has been selling it for $2.99 a box for months. So does Botach. Wideners has real M855 (IMI) for around $220 for a case of 1200. All of these are better quality than hot shot, and all of them are cheaper. I'm not saying HotShot is bad, but nobody in their right mind should pay 25¢ a round for it. The Hotshot is supposed to be the same as Igman black tips, repackaged for Century. I guess that packaging also includes putting a different color paint on the tips in addition to the box with the american flag on it (still can't figure that one out). |
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