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Posted: 6/25/2012 12:30:41 PM EDT
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So I'ma lookin' at getting a dedicated upper. I'm no competitor, but I take my plinking seriously  . So, here are my choices....
CMMG Revolution...So far this seems to be the lead. I would go with the SS bolt and collar. How well does the BHO work on this? I was thinking of the 16" LW but with a rifle or mid-length FF Troy/VTAC/JP HG. I also like the WASP finished barrel. HOw's reliability and accuracy? DPMS AP4...From reading Shadowcop's reviews the new DPMS seems awesome. Eats everything. Designed by Nordic. However, I don't think there are many/any options for it. Nordic NC22...From what I read on BrianEnos, they're GTG. Only problem I've read about is prompt service if you need help. I was considering a LW 16" model with a mid length HG. Thoughts? Pros? Cons? |
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Ok, So I'ma lookin' at getting a dedicated upper. I'm no competitor, but I take my plinking seriously . So, here are my choices....
CMMG Revolution...So far this seems to be the lead. I would go with the SS bolt and collar. How well does the BHO work on this? I was thinking of the 16" LW but with a rifle or mid-length FF Troy/VTAC/JP HG. I also like the WASP finished barrel. HOw's reliability and accuracy? DPMS AP4...From reading Shadowcop's reviews the new DPMS seems awesome. Eats everything. Designed by Nordic. However, I don't think there are many/any options for it. Nordic NC22...From what I read on BrianEnos, they're GTG. Only problem I've read about is prompt service if you need help. I was considering a LW 16" model with a mid length HG. Thoughts? Pros? Cons? I'm sure the Nordics are great but have no first hand experience. CMMG, Fantastic. I Love them all. You can add the options at a later time. I really like their 16" Govt. Profile LT Weight. Your plans sound like it'll make a great carbine.... I like the WASP Finish too it holds up well. Accuracy and reliability satisfy me and that's very hard to do. Other choices , TACCOM's Light Weight, Clint Beyer's M4, Custom build from Redtazdog... Dave S |
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Ok, So I'ma lookin' at getting a dedicated upper. I'm no competitor, but I take my plinking seriously . So, here are my choices....
CMMG Revolution...So far this seems to be the lead. I would go with the SS bolt and collar. How well does the BHO work on this? I was thinking of the 16" LW but with a rifle or mid-length FF Troy/VTAC/JP HG. I also like the WASP finished barrel. HOw's reliability and accuracy? DPMS AP4...From reading Shadowcop's reviews the new DPMS seems awesome. Eats everything. Designed by Nordic. However, I don't think there are many/any options for it. Nordic NC22...From what I read on BrianEnos, they're GTG. Only problem I've read about is prompt service if you need help. I was considering a LW 16" model with a mid length HG. Thoughts? Pros? Cons? I'm sure the Nordics are great but have no first hand experience. CMMG, Fantastic. I Love them all. You can add the options at a later time. I really like their 16" Govt. Profile LT Weight. Your plans sound like it'll make a great carbine.... I like the WASP Finish too it holds up well. Other choices , TACCOM's Light Weight, Clint Beyer's M4, Custom build from Redtazdog... Dave S Great....so there's more choices  . I see that TACCOM uses a Ciener bolt (not included). Is that good or bad? Do you know if they have other rails available or only what's on their dropdown menu? I like the idea of a 16" with a midlength FF tube
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| I've got and shot both CMMG and Nordic. Both have been trouble free and are as accurate as my eyes will allow them to be. The Nordic because its upper and bolt is proprietary will have no options for forward assist etc, or to use the upper as a 5.56 platform in the future. Understanding that; in my opinion either one is good to go. |
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Only experience is with the CMMG but it has been flawless and I think the pricing is little better than the others..So whatever it means to you I vote for the CMMG.
Ours runs perfect,only thing that ever goes wrong is an occasional dud round and thats very rare. Cannot really attest to the accuracy all that much as we do not shoot paper but it hits small targets we shoot at consistently... |
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Remington is not recommended for any Atchison type conversion. But many guys do run them. Very dirty. Rems will gum up the action quickly. I recommend copper wash ammo like Winchester or Federal bulk sold at Walmart. CCI Mini Mags for better consistancy. Dave N LOL....I don't think Rem is fit for anything. Blazers OK? I have a couple cases of it. |
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Remington is not recommended for any Atchison type conversion. But many guys do run them. Very dirty. Rems will gum up the action quickly. I recommend copper wash ammo like Winchester or Federal bulk sold at Walmart. CCI Mini Mags for better consistancy. Dave N LOL....I don't think Rem is fit for anything. Blazers OK? I have a couple cases of it. Blazers can be hit or miss. I tried a couple bricks 2 weeks ago and had a lot more FTEs than Federal/Winchester, and this was in my Spike's upper and a 10/22. |
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I advise careful consideration in your choice since you stated that you take your plinking seriously. Kudos to you for having already done some research since you also mentioned the Brian Enos forum in your post. I chose the Nordic upper and am absoultely satisfied. There have been ZERO problems since new out of the box with every single brand or type of ammo I have tried. All told, it has about 4000 rounds through it with no reliability issues whatsoever. I have given this advice several times before on this forum. A brief search should pull up my previous posts. I use this rifle to supplement my training and it has proven itself many times over. The DPMS is also a great choice as they are made by Nordic as well. If you need more information, send me an email and I will fix you up. Good luck on your decision. Please understand I am not knocking CMMG in any way. I'm sure they have a fine product with a great following here, I'm just not convinced it is superior in reliability and function to the Nordic design. |
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My poroblem with Nordic is, if there is an issue, it may take them 6 months to return it.
The designer and engineer no longer works for them and they are redesigning the upper. So how long will it take now to get an older version repaired? This will also affect the DPMS which is basically built by Nordic. Proprietary upper receivers means your action block and T insert will not work on it should you ever decide to make changes. Or you can do like I do and use the clam shell with no insert, take the chance of damaging the upper, and torque the barrel lightly. Nordic's weapon line is secondary to their other gear. Dave N |
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Remington is not recommended for any Atchison type conversion. But many guys do run them. Very dirty. Rems will gum up the action quickly. I recommend copper wash ammo like Winchester or Federal bulk sold at Walmart. CCI Mini Mags for better consistancy. Dave N LOL....I don't think Rem is fit for anything. Blazers OK? I have a couple cases of it. Blazers can be hit or miss. I tried a couple bricks 2 weeks ago and had a lot more FTEs than Federal/Winchester, and this was in my Spike's upper and a 10/22. +1 on the Blazers. Generally run okay with a couple FTE once in while. But several weeks ago, at our shooting sports fair, someone gave me a brick of Blazers that ran without fail for 400+ rounds out of my Kuehl upper. Wish I had a case of that particular lot of Blazer. Of course - what runs well in one upper may not run in another. A few people even get Remington to run in their semis.  Try your Blazers - you might have a good lot.
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How would y'all rate the TacSol upper? I have owned the CMMG (sold it to a buddy he loves it) it was picky about what subsonics I fed it. I own a Spike ST22 6' which is finicky about cleaning and I own a Tactical Solutions M4 with a few tweaks The Tac Sol is my favorite of the 3. It is nuts on accurate (to be fair almost all my guns can shoot better than I do) and it isn't fussy about cleaning or ammo. The one down side was that when I got it (gun Show grab) I put it on a lower that had a RR 2 stage trigger and to my chagrin it wouldn't close. Spoke to Tac SOl they said yes it was a known problem and to send the bolt 7 days later at no charge it was on the lower with the 2 stage. |
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My poroblem with Nordic is, if there is an issue, it may take them 6 months to return it. The designer and engineer no longer works for them and they are redesigning the upper. So how long will it take now to get an older version repaired? This will also affect the DPMS which is basically built by Nordic. Proprietary upper receivers means your action block and T insert will not work on it should you ever decide to make changes. Or you can do like I do and use the clam shell with no insert, take the chance of damaging the upper, and torque the barrel lightly. Nordic's weapon line is secondary to their other gear. Dave N So, Nordic is redisigning their upper? I thought they were GTG (ie..nothing to fix)? So, what I've getting is that basically, most of the ones I'm considering are good. As to construction, are the CMMG or DPMS/Nordic bolts "weak" in any way? Reason I ask is that the TacSol bolt looks pretty damn stout. As far as TacSol goes, I'm looking at the M4 variant. Is the barrel/breechface on that one all steel? I don't like the idea of a steel bolt hitting aluminum (like their lw barrels). |
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Never ran a TacSol so I can't comment.
The DPMS is very reiable. Mine has never missed a shot. What happens to this one when the new one is designed is the question. Will I be able to get parts if needed? DPMS dropped the .22 before. What is to keep them from doing it again? The CMMG is also very reliable. The design has be around for years even though CMMG tweaked it for optimal reliability and function. For now, I still recommend the CMMG for reliability, function, ease of maintenance, availability of parts and options. Plus CMMG's customer service. Dave N |
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Bought a Tac sol m4 upper before these others came out.( other than Spikes)
The TS has been flawless and very accurate, and runs perfect suppressed, however the CMMG is much cheaper now and the best deal. The TS bolt is better though and beefier in the rear where the old designs can bend and you have to replace the whole piece. |
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Never ran a TacSol so I can't comment. The DPMS is very reiable. Mine has never missed a shot. What happens to this one when the new one is designed is the question. Will I be able to get parts if needed? DPMS dropped the .22 before. What is to keep them from doing it again? The CMMG is also very reliable. The design has be around for years even though CMMG tweaked it for optimal reliability and function. For now, I still recommend the CMMG for reliability, function, ease of maintenance, availability of parts and options. Plus CMMG's customer service. Dave N Dave, I asked this same question when DPMS came out with their Nordic based gun and I was told to shut up, "... 'cause that wouldn't happen!" Nice to see someone have the guts to say it now that the shine has worn off the latest gun-of-the-week. This seems to be true for the Spike's crew also, who said it wouldn't happen, but if it did they'd "stand behind their product!" So Spike-o-philes, how's that working out for you? One new re-design not compatible with the last go around, coming up - someday. Then there was Bushy, and Olympic, and they went by way of "oops, sorry about that sh*t." About the only guys in it for the long haul seem to be CMMG and S&W. CMMG will always get my money because they deserve to. Ted |
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Who has the best prices on the CMMG uppers? Is it worth the little extra CMMG charges to be able to order the options? I wouldn't buy one that didn't have the stainless bolt and feed ramp. It's stonger, smoother, uses less lube, easier to clean and stays clean longer. Sent you an IM. Dave n |
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I'm sorry to hear that there have been some negative comments about the Nordic. This has never been the case in my experience. Each time I called about even the smallest question, the phone was answered promptly and courteously. The single time I left a message, it was returned within the hour. I asked specifically about parts availability and redesign, based on the posts above. I was concerned that if I ever had an issue it might be "bye-bye upper". I was assured that parts would be readily available for the long term and whatever redisgn they would be contemplating would not render the previous version obsolete. Since they're not trying to sell me one they have nothing to gain by telling me something I want to hear rather than the truth.
To be frank and honest, I can't imagine they could do much of anything better than what they have now. The fit, finish, and functionality are superb and it's a tack driver! They have always been customer service oriented in my experience and willing to help whenever possible. They try to avoid having you ship it back for repairs if you can replace parts and fix it yourself. In the one instance a friend of mine actually had to send it back, it was returned within 1 week, postage paid! I can't say enough about the reliability of the Nordic. I consider it money well spent and with over 2000+ rounds of use, it has served me well. I never hesitate to recommend it when asked. I know the CMMG is the popular choice, and I'm sure with good reason(s) but no one I know that went with the Nordic or variant (DPMS or JP) has ever had buyer's remorse. Just my two cents. I love mine and shoot it often. |
Well I to find myself in the 22 conundrum. Took my wife out shooting with a buddy who has a CMMG conversion kit she did great. Good news is she had a blast shooting golf balls at 25 yards with my ar and the conversion kit and eotech. Bad news is I just do not know if it is worth the extra dollars for a dedicated upper or just get the ss conversion kit. I have a lower laying in the safe that I just took off from my sbr that I just put a new Sun devil lower on just needs a stock. So help me out guys. Is the accuracy, any better with a dedicated upper and are there any other benefits to an upper over a conversion kit. I know it is going to be a CMMG either way. Have checked into several shops here in the Phoenix area can not seem to find any one with an upper to lay my hands on and check it out .
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| I built a DPMS with the bull barrel. I love it. It can shoot an easy 1.5" at 50 yards probably better with a scope but my sight mark red dot works for me. 5 different types of bulk ammo through it and not one problem. I have had a total of about 1,900 rounds through it. X-form mags work but I know some others can have issues. I have heard the 50rnd drum will not work in it but I may be willing to buy one and give it a try even if I have to modify it a little. I put 400 rounds through it in one session with not one issue and believe it or not it says pretty clean compared to my winchester 190 or my 10/22 with the same number of rounds down range. You can't go wrong with DPMS. |
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My poroblem with Nordic is, if there is an issue, it may take them 6 months to return it. The designer and engineer no longer works for them and they are redesigning the upper. So how long will it take now to get an older version repaired? This will also affect the DPMS which is basically built by Nordic. Proprietary upper receivers means your action block and T insert will not work on it should you ever decide to make changes. Or you can do like I do and use the clam shell with no insert, take the chance of damaging the upper, and torque the barrel lightly. Nordic's weapon line is secondary to their other gear. Dave N Do you have proof or examples that it could take 6 months to fix a problem or is this speculation on your part? |
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22 rimfire is very dirty, you get a lot of filth in the lower. It is not harmful and it is not hard to clean. I like the dedicated uppers because they are basically range toys. I get to keep my duty rifle clean and ready for work my 22 training Rifle can be a little dirty. The dedicated 22 uppers are more accurate but for plinking and shooting steel plates the conversion kit in 1 in 9 twist barrel had enough accuracy for me.
If I had an extra lower I would buy a dedicated upper. This is very addictive as I have 4 dedicated 22 AR's plus a couple of 22 conversions. |
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My poroblem with Nordic is, if there is an issue, it may take them 6 months to return it. The designer and engineer no longer works for them and they are redesigning the upper. So how long will it take now to get an older version repaired? This will also affect the DPMS which is basically built by Nordic. Proprietary upper receivers means your action block and T insert will not work on it should you ever decide to make changes. Or you can do like I do and use the clam shell with no insert, take the chance of damaging the upper, and torque the barrel lightly. Nordic's weapon line is secondary to their other gear. Dave N Do you have proof or examples that it could take 6 months to fix a problem or is this speculation on your part? It was posted a few months back by a member here that sent his upper in for repair. It took 6 months. Not the first time I have ran across that on the various web forums I frequent. But no, I'm not going to spend time looking it up in the archives for you. Buy a Nordic. It's a great upper. I wish them well with the new design. I hope they hired an engineer that can pull it off, considering how reliable the Nordic/DPMS proved to be, makes you wonder why they would want to change it. But then I do know why. Dave N |
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My poroblem with Nordic is, if there is an issue, it may take them 6 months to return it. The designer and engineer no longer works for them and they are redesigning the upper. So how long will it take now to get an older version repaired? This will also affect the DPMS which is basically built by Nordic. Proprietary upper receivers means your action block and T insert will not work on it should you ever decide to make changes. Or you can do like I do and use the clam shell with no insert, take the chance of damaging the upper, and torque the barrel lightly. Nordic's weapon line is secondary to their other gear. Dave N Do you have proof or examples that it could take 6 months to fix a problem or is this speculation on your part? It was posted a few months back by a member here that sent his upper in for repair. It took 6 months. Not the first time I have ran across that on the various web forums I frequent. But no, I'm not going to spend time looking it up in the archives for you. Buy a Nordic. It's a great upper. I wish them well with the new design. I hope they hired an engineer that can pull it off, considering how reliable the Nordic/DPMS proved to be, makes you wonder why they would want to change it. But then I do know why. Dave N Dave, FWIW, I was told by the guys at Nordic that they're not changing the design, but just changing the modifying the manufacturing process to be more efficient. |
 Thanks for the info Vascar. It has helped make up my mind and will be ordering a CMMG stainless steel bolted upper Monday. I only hope my honey will let me shoot it after I give it to her for her birthday, oh and I do know I will get her a girl gift to boot maybe a pink pair of ear muffs.
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