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Is the upper receiver seem to be exactly like a typical upper from one of the typical AR companys like RRA, Armalite, etc? Or does the receiver itself seem cheaper then those?
Thanks....looks good. Added.......where did you buy it, and how much....if I may ask? Does it take typical ciener, BDM, Cmmg mags? |
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Is the upper receiver seem to be exactly like a typical upper from one of the typical AR companys like RRA, Armalite, etc? Or does the receiver itself seem cheaper then those? Thanks....looks good. Added.......where did you buy it, and how much....if I may ask? Does it take typical ciener, BDM, Cmmg mags? The upper is a composit or polly plastic, Delta ring plastic fsb cast with a dummy bayo lug and flash hider steel held on by a set screw. I put a fsb off a 9mm with a bayo lug on and threaded the barrel and installed the A1 flash hider and changed the delta ring to a alluminium one I also changed the hand guards to the 607 style.. I was going to use a forged upper but was curious how the original upper would do so I duracoated it and will see how it holds up. I have the mag it came with and some black dog mags and will see how they work. This upper was purchaced from copes they have them with a mag for 349.00 |
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Is the upper receiver seem to be exactly like a typical upper from one of the typical AR companys like RRA, Armalite, etc? Or does the receiver itself seem cheaper then those? Thanks....looks good. Added.......where did you buy it, and how much....if I may ask? Does it take typical ciener, BDM, Cmmg mags? The upper is a composit or polly plastic, Delta ring plastic fsb cast with a dummy bayo lug and flash hider steel held on by a set screw. I put a fsb off a 9mm with a bayo lug on and threaded the barrel and installed the A1 flash hider and changed the delta ring to a alluminium one I also changed the hand guards to the 607 style.. I was going to use a forged upper but was curious how the original upper would do so I duracoated it and will see how it holds up. I have the mag it came with and some black dog mags and will see how they work. This upper was purchaced from copes they have them with a mag for 349.00 Thank you for the info....... |
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Strange, I just noticed that in the parts picture it appears to be drilled for gas. I just saved the picture and blew it way up, doesn't really look like a hole then. It looks more like it's painted to look like a hole??? Spec The fsb is held on by a set screw. the hole is where the set screw screws into...
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Strange, I just noticed that in the parts picture it appears to be drilled for gas. I just saved the picture and blew it way up, doesn't really look like a hole then. It looks more like it's painted to look like a hole??? Spec The fsb is held on by a set screw. the hole is where the set screw screws into...
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Strange, I just noticed that in the parts picture it appears to be drilled for gas. I just saved the picture and blew it way up, doesn't really look like a hole then. It looks more like it's painted to look like a hole??? Spec The fsb is held on by a set screw. the hole is where the set screw screws into...
I assume that hole is just a dimple, or does it go all the way to the bore? no...
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Shot test shows that it loves CCI Mini Mag. Hates Peters HV. Will get along with Remington Green box bulk HV. I also see that it shoots hard left and will have to see how square the front of the upper is to the barrel. Black dog mags feed great. so does the oem mag. Black Dog is built much better than the mag that came in the kit. More to come
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This project looks great but one thing I have to question is, how much money is being spent on building this? To make a fair comparison one has to consider this. Its like the $200 Ruger 10/22 that gets reworked ending up costing $1k. For people to consider this a "less expensive" way to go due to the initial price they need to consider that the end total will be.
People hold off buying a dedicated AR .22 upper due to the perceived high cost. Those of us who have them know they are cheaper in the long run due to ammo cost. We also know they are well made and will withstand the test of time and the many thousands of rounds that will go down the barrel. This gives them value. Customers need to consider value (long term use) over initial cost. Once some people complete projects like this and we have a better understanding of what it costs then fans can better estimate what project they want to build and what its going to cost them. Keep us posted. |
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This project looks great but one thing I have to question is, how much money is being spent on building this? To make a fair comparison one has to consider this. Its like the $200 Ruger 10/22 that gets reworked ending up costing $1k. For people to consider this a "less expensive" way to go due to the initial price they need to consider that the end total will be. People hold off buying a dedicated AR .22 upper due to the perceived high cost. Those of us who have them know they are cheaper in the long run due to ammo cost. We also know they are well made and will withstand the test of time and the many thousands of rounds that will go down the barrel. This gives them value. Customers need to consider value (long term use) over initial cost. Once some people complete projects like this and we have a better understanding of what it costs then fans can better estimate what project they want to build and what its going to cost them. Keep us posted. Every adiction comes with a price. If you want to buy a cheap rifle go for it. The ruger and the remington and others are cheaper yes but to build and tweak parts into something you did has some value also. Sometimes its not all about the money. I like the fact that I can shoot for pennies on the dollar and put down this .22lr and pick up my 223 and all the muscle memory is there. I love the ar profile and the ak. If you want to just shoot a 22 buy one if you want to shoot something you built build one. These rifles cost more than the store bought 22 but to me will bring value you cannot buy. RG
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This project looks great but one thing I have to question is, how much money is being spent on building this? To make a fair comparison one has to consider this. Its like the $200 Ruger 10/22 that gets reworked ending up costing $1k. For people to consider this a "less expensive" way to go due to the initial price they need to consider that the end total will be. People hold off buying a dedicated AR .22 upper due to the perceived high cost. Those of us who have them know they are cheaper in the long run due to ammo cost. We also know they are well made and will withstand the test of time and the many thousands of rounds that will go down the barrel. This gives them value. Customers need to consider value (long term use) over initial cost. Once some people complete projects like this and we have a better understanding of what it costs then fans can better estimate what project they want to build and what its going to cost them. Keep us posted. Every adiction comes with a price. If you want to buy a cheap rifle go for it. The ruger and the remington and others are cheaper yes but to build and tweak parts into something you did has some value also. Sometimes its not all about the money. I like the fact that I can shoot for pennies on the dollar and put down this .22lr and pick up my 223 and all the muscle memory is there. I love the ar profile and the ak. If you want to just shoot a 22 buy one if you want to shoot something you built build one. These rifles cost more than the store bought 22 but to me will bring value you cannot buy. RG
OH, I don't care how much or little it costs. I would think that if it is possible, for people who are new and considering the options, to have some idea of what to expect. I go back to the Ruger 10/22 example. I have several of them and two are modified. I didn't worry too much about the cost, it was just I wanted them a certain way. That said, a newb might want to know a range of pricing to help them budget and make decisions on how they want to build a rifle up. I wanted a accurate dedicated upper. I had some choices, a Campass Lake, a Tac Sol LT with the free float tube, or a Spikes LW. Easy to see what each choice would be cost-wise. How does this cost compare to building a rifle up from the ATI upper? A reasonable question to ask. I am not here to judge if someone else's choices are cost effective, that is a personal decision of the owner. Just wondering if a newb might have some sort of ball park figure to work with. In the end they often want to get in at a lower price and figure on upgrades as they grow. If they want a Spikes dedicated it will run about $600 for the upper and, depending on what lower, about $250-$300 for a complete. So their rifle will be about $850-$900. From there they can start modifications. All standard AR parts will fit. Same goes for the Tac Sol. About $500 for the upper, same price as above on the lower. Seems the ATI upper is about $350. To put a metal receiver on it add about $90, now we have $440. Then start adding for the extras above that. Now, with the metal receiver one can start comparing its cost to say a Tac Sol. The process continues. So many times on these forums newbs come in and want to know, "What's it cost?" |
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This project looks great but one thing I have to question is, how much money is being spent on building this? To make a fair comparison one has to consider this. Its like the $200 Ruger 10/22 that gets reworked ending up costing $1k. For people to consider this a "less expensive" way to go due to the initial price they need to consider that the end total will be. People hold off buying a dedicated AR .22 upper due to the perceived high cost. Those of us who have them know they are cheaper in the long run due to ammo cost. We also know they are well made and will withstand the test of time and the many thousands of rounds that will go down the barrel. This gives them value. Customers need to consider value (long term use) over initial cost. Once some people complete projects like this and we have a better understanding of what it costs then fans can better estimate what project they want to build and what its going to cost them. Keep us posted. Every adiction comes with a price. If you want to buy a cheap rifle go for it. The ruger and the remington and others are cheaper yes but to build and tweak parts into something you did has some value also. Sometimes its not all about the money. I like the fact that I can shoot for pennies on the dollar and put down this .22lr and pick up my 223 and all the muscle memory is there. I love the ar profile and the ak. If you want to just shoot a 22 buy one if you want to shoot something you built build one. These rifles cost more than the store bought 22 but to me will bring value you cannot buy. RG
OH, I don't care how much or little it costs. I would think that if it is possible, for people who are new and considering the options, to have some idea of what to expect. I go back to the Ruger 10/22 example. I have several of them and two are modified. I didn't worry too much about the cost, it was just I wanted them a certain way. That said, a newb might want to know a range of pricing to help them budget and make decisions on how they want to build a rifle up. I wanted a accurate dedicated upper. I had some choices, a Campass Lake, a Tac Sol LT with the free float tube, or a Spikes LW. Easy to see what each choice would be cost-wise. How does this cost compare to building a rifle up from the ATI upper? A reasonable question to ask. I am not here to judge if someone else's choices are cost effective, that is a personal decision of the owner. Just wondering if a newb might have some sort of ball park figure to work with. In the end they often want to get in at a lower price and figure on upgrades as they grow. If they want a Spikes dedicated it will run about $600 for the upper and, depending on what lower, about $250-$300 for a complete. So their rifle will be about $850-$900. From there they can start modifications. All standard AR parts will fit. Same goes for the Tac Sol. About $500 for the upper, same price as above on the lower. Seems the ATI upper is about $350. To put a metal receiver on it add about $90, now we have $440. Then start adding for the extras above that. Now, with the metal receiver one can start comparing its cost to say a Tac Sol. The process continues. So many times on these forums newbs come in and want to know, "What's it cost?" Upper and mag that came with the upper 349.99 ATI lower 89.99 SA lpk 70.00 RRA buttstock 55.00 Brownells LE Entry Extra mags 25.00 Black Dog This is what it will cost for a basic rifle build. The price will go up soon as you start changing and finishing parts. |
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