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Posted: 8/13/2008 2:40:01 PM EDT
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Debating the prospect of getting either a Ruger 10/22 or a dedicated AR upper to run with a suppressor... Who makes the highest quality .22 conversion kit or dedicated upper? I want great accuracy and NO reliability problems. |
Suck it up and buy a Spikes You know you want too..............Seriously, I had a Ciener and ran about 200 trouble-filled-rnds and got one. Tom and the crew are great, the upper is nearly idiot-proof, and every guy @ the range is going to trade you time on their ??? to try it. I got 3 rnds on a Barrett for 1 BDM mag  . Run the math on my luck on that one.Their lead times are reasonable given I was just given 28 weeks for a Krieger 308 barrel. Also I will remind all - problems are endemic. It is a mean time between failures. The difference is HOW a company resolves issues. SPIKES is great with issue resolution. All things considered: For a company with < 12 employees - not bad. |
Spike, Tac Sol, CZ V22..........I have run mine for over five years with very few problems. Actually no problems other than those induced by me  , which were in any event easily resolved......... People will be sick of this picture now, I've put it in three threads in the past 10 mins..
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CLE I don't have one - going by reputation. Very $$$$. ETA: Okay - I didn't see the suppressor part - Spike's it is then. I have a Kuehl and a bunch of drop-in conversions. The Spike's is similar to the Kuehl and seems to be just as reliable. YMMV |
Compass Lake Engineering ETA: Regarding the possible use of a suppressor: I'd call Compass Lake anyway and ask. It's a small shop and they have dont things for others that don't make it to the web page. |
Umm, a dedicated barrel and a dedicated bolt assembly. This means that your rounds are actually chambering IN the barrel (and not inside the front of the Ciener widget). There is no chamber adapter, and there is no 2" jump to the rifling. It also works.  
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All 22LR uppers give you a little problem until you find the ammo it likes. I have a TacSol, it is very accurate for semiauto (have several Anschutz and CZs that are more accurate) and am very happy with it. With cheap ammo (Fed value pak) shoots .4"-.5" and with Wolf shoots .3-.4" five shot groups at 25 yrds. Thats good accuracy! I believe (as I believe Spikes said in one of their posts) TacSol uses target chamber which makes it more accurate. I am just telling you what spike posted in response to one of the posts online. Spikes Walter barrel may be more accurate but they are not out yet. I can't wait for a range report. Forgot to mention: TacSol is a little cheaper, you get a SS Bolt and a 30 rd magazine with it as well. |
Interesting pics. I take it the breech extends right up to the feed lips on the mag with very little gap as there is no feed ramp of any kind? Is that a single recoil/guide rod and dirty great extractor bar? I take it the bolt group picture is reversed.. 
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I can't really go into detail as to what I did... I can only say that I no longer have the Tac Sol upper that was giving me problems. I do have a Spike's that has run flawlessly out of the box from day one. No issues what-so-ever. I've got different Tac Sol upper that I haven't shot yet. But I want to sell it and order another Spike's. I'm afraid to try it, if it doesn't work like the other, I can no longer say it's NIB when I sell it. I'm sure Tac Sol would have fixed my problem. But why buy something that "might" have issues when you can order a Spike's and know it's going to work when you get it. ~Dg84 |
Nope. The end of the assembly is a sleeve that fits around the chamber-end of the barrel, and has an integral feed ramp in it. 
Nope. The picture in the post above is taken from the left side. The long bars you see are the action rails for the bolt (not a big extractor). |
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I built a Ruger 10/22 AR Raplica, S/S Bull Barrel, Nordic Components Adapter to use AR Furniture. Butler Creek Steel Lip Mags. It cost about the Same as building a Real AR with a Conversion, More than buying a Dedicated Upper. At 25 Yards it will fire Bullets on top of Bullets during Slow Fire. It will hold 1 inch forever during Rapid Fire from a bench. Offhand, 1.5". 50 Yards opens groups up a little. A Spikes or other quality Dedicated upper will do as well, A Ceiner conversion in a Standard AR Barrel 1:9 thru 1:12 will be about 2x that size. An Oly M261 in an AR Barrel seems to be a tiny bit larger group but I don't have extensive experience With the M261 Yet. God can only create 100% Reliability. Best I have had overall is 99.5% SO-13 |
i've been shooting my 22 uppers for 2 years now. how many rounds down your belt fed?? i have a dedicated 22 upper using a 77/22 bbl and ceiner kit. runs fine. nice groups. also cut down a .223 bbl to 7.5" and it runds well too |
Ah, I see it now thanks, that's an interesting way of doing it...  Does that mean it's special upper to have the slots for the rails?
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Not at all. The only thing special about the upper is the barrel. The Spike's Tactical bolt is an improved version of the 100% drop-in Ciener kit: 
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Considering I said, "on the way," I'll give you three guesses how many rounds I've put down my belt fed.... |
Is the Spike's version much different than the Tac Sol one, in design I mean? |
| I was going to buy a spikes, but then found a new company that has totally re-designed the bolt group for a .22lr upper. I am getting the first one off the line as soon as testing is complete in 2 weeks. I'll keep the company silent for now, once I get it and run a gauntlet on it I will post a full review. Price is about the same as a spikes. |
| You will NEVER go wrong with Spike's Tactical dedicated ST-22 uppers. I've had other .22s and the Spike's beats them to death hands down. I have never had a .22 semi auto work so well than the Spike's coupled with the Black Dog Gen II mags. It was worth every penny. |
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Concerning the TacSol, see this thread. www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=15&t=374041&page=4 I am still waiting on a resolution am am hoping it works out because this thing shot just about everything I fed it through a single ragged hole 40 meters including Federal Bulk pack crap....it did run like S**t and Tom at TacSol is tuning it now so I will post results after I have wrung it out. Mikey |
I wish we lived a little closer we could have a fun time comparing the Spikes, TacSol. Ciener, KKF uppers with groups with many kinds of ammo. I now have 4 22lr AR's and the TacSol does shoot the best groups so far. |
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From Spike's website. .22LR M4 Upper A3 flat top with 16" 1x16 twist chrome moly barrel (M4 cut on 16"), M4 handguards, flat top gas block or front site post, birdcage flash hider, Spike's Tactical .22lr bolt and charging handle. **FYI: The legal 16" barrel goes inside the receiver approximately 1.5" so the barrel looks like a true military 14.5" length. The barrel also comes with the end threaded 1/2 x 28. This upper utilizes the correct twist rate for the .22lr bullet and eliminates the problem of fouling AR15 gas tubes with dirty rimfire ammunition. Regarding the Spike's Tactical .22lr bolt. Our bolt is based on the Atchison design with improvements including the following: an electroless nickel finish gives it a much slicker, smoother finish so you do not have to run it as wet which means the bolt stays cleaner longer. We have changed some tolerances, beefed up the firing pin and pre-drilled for a ball-detent. All uppers are test fired here before heading to you with the Federal Value Pack ammo from Wal-Mart. We recommend not using any lead tip ammo. |
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Any opinions on the Model1sales dedicated 22LR upper? I was considering one of their 7.5" dedicated .22LR pistol uppers for my Registered SBR lower half. I know M1S isn't the highest quality around, but I have had no problems with the things I have bought from them in the past, and I like this kitty-kat configuration in a flat top.  |
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