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6/10/2007 7:12:19 AM EDT
Anyone have ejection problems with their M169?  On a good day, the one I have gets through a couple of mags then starts to not want to eject casings. When the failure occurs the next round is being fed so the bolt seems to be traveling far enough back to eject the casing.

Configuration is:
RRA stripped lower, with m16 trigger, standard buffer.
Hahn bottom loaded mag block
Bolt is lee’s ramped bolt
Colt 32rd mags(for hold open capabilities)
Ammo – 9mm ball m882 nato stamp

Any guidance would be appreciated. If yours is running great I'd love to hear about it and how yours is configured.

JJ
6/10/2007 2:33:11 PM EDT
[#1]
Check your extractor.  Who is Lee's bolt?  I know that RRA bolt's have a problem with the "roll pin" that is used to hold the extractor in place.  


6/10/2007 3:03:33 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
Check your extractor.  Who is Lee's bolt?  I know that RRA bolt's have a problem with the "roll pin" that is used to hold the extractor in place.  




Lee is the L in LRM. thanks for the tip.
6/11/2007 10:31:26 AM EDT
[#3]
Hi,
I was having the same problem with my M-169 a month or so ago. I took the extractor out and there was so much gunk in the channel that the thing did not want to come out. After I cleaned it all out, the gun has run 100% for hundreds of rounds. I ran 150 rounds through it this past weekend with no problems. I think that all the unburnt power and debris was keeping the extractor from doing it job. My malfuntions were exactly like yours. The extractor is also held in place by a roll pin. You could try a tension pin in place of the roll pin. I did not and mine is running fine. I will replace it later though. The pin replacement has seemed to cure all of the extraction problems with RRA 9mm. Does anyone remember the tension pin size?

USNCORPSMAN

PS. BY the way, I was using Remington Green box 115gr ammo. That ammo seems a little underpowered compared to the Fed 115 grain that used when I first bought the upper. The Rem ammo has run 100% since the extractor cleaning.

LRM M-169  Sweeeeet


6/11/2007 2:33:30 PM EDT
[#4]
The upper Lee builds uses a  RRA bolt..  #93 had problems with his last year at ISSMC, turned out to be the ejector finger was loose in the block (moving left/right).
6/11/2007 5:30:03 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
The upper Lee builds uses a  RRA bolt..  #93 had problems with his last year at ISSMC, turned out to be the ejector finger was loose in the block (moving left/right).


Well there you go.  If he uses a RRA bolt, then extractor is held in place by a rolled piece of steel.  RRA considers this as good as a roll pin.  Take your bolt to Home Depot and get a REAL roll pin.  It solved my problems with extraction.  Never had a problem since and I have about 2k rounds F/A through mine.

6/11/2007 6:26:12 PM EDT
[#6]
Great thanks, got if figured out. I'll give the roll pin a shot.
6/11/2007 7:27:09 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The upper Lee builds uses a  RRA bolt..  #93 had problems with his last year at ISSMC, turned out to be the ejector finger was loose in the block (moving left/right).


Well there you go.  If he uses a RRA bolt, then extractor is held in place by a rolled piece of steel.  RRA considers this as good as a roll pin.  Take your bolt to Home Depot and get a REAL roll pin.  It solved my problems with extraction.  Never had a problem since and I have about 2k rounds F/A through mine.



They are spiral pins that RRA uses and i cant beleive that they still use them with all the problems they have. 1/8" Roll Pin is what you need.Mike
6/11/2007 7:34:38 PM EDT
[#8]
Lee will check in soon......... Got one in FA also... works like a charm.

Slug-O
6/12/2007 9:16:16 AM EDT
[#9]

I'm curious, does anyone know why the spiral pin doesn't work and the roll pin corrects the problem?

I love my  M169 - looking forward to getting it running.
6/14/2007 6:52:08 AM EDT
[#10]
Added 1/8" roll pin, jammed first round and every round after that. so that wasn't the fix -  


What mags and mag blocks are you guys using - did you make any other mods to get it to run?
6/14/2007 12:02:45 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
Added 1/8" roll pin, jammed first round and every round after that. so that wasn't the fix -  


What mags and mag blocks are you guys using - did you make any other mods to get it to run?


I got my magblock from ADCO its a RRA and im using colt mags 20 round and 32 round. Mike
6/14/2007 2:10:43 PM EDT
[#12]
Mine came complete with a Hahn bottom loader mag block and AAC 9mm buffer. I am also using Colt 32 rd mags. I tried Pro Mags but they never worked from day 1. I did not replace my roll pin. I pulled the pin out cleaned the area, and replaced the same pin. It has run fine since.
6/14/2007 4:09:59 PM EDT
[#13]
Thanks guys. So much for that idea....... Wanna trade?

6/14/2007 6:18:23 PM EDT
[#14]
How bout special buffer, action spring or stock spacer - any special considerations here for 9mm or should a stander lower work?
6/30/2007 9:47:39 AM EDT
[#15]
How bout hammers? Which ones are working, I've got the m16 version?

Also, I've noticed the ejector finger has about 1/16 movement right to left, is this typical?
6/30/2007 10:41:06 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
How bout hammers? Which ones are working, I've got the m16 version?
Thats fine..

Also, I've noticed the ejector finger has about 1/16 movement right to left, is this typical?
Could quite possibly be a problem.. look at the front of your bolt face where the finer ideally is supposed to appear from to contact the case... pretty minimal, you agree??

You need to make the ejector solid to the block, so it stays fixed and not move away from the case and not tap it firmly to toss it out the port.  After you get the ejector solid to the block, then adjust it to get as close to center and up without actually dragging on the bolt.   Note that I did mention loose ejector in a previous post above.

6/30/2007 8:07:08 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:
How bout hammers? Which ones are working, I've got the m16 version?
Thats fine..

Also, I've noticed the ejector finger has about 1/16 movement right to left, is this typical?
Could quite possibly be a problem.. look at the front of your bolt face where the finer ideally is supposed to appear from to contact the case... pretty minimal, you agree??

You need to make the ejector solid to the block, so it stays fixed and not move away from the case and not tap it firmly to toss it out the port.  After you get the ejector solid to the block, then adjust it to get as close to center and up without actually dragging on the bolt.   Note that I did mention loose ejector in a previous post above.



I think you hit the nail on the head SBR(finger on casing in this case). While monkeying around I found that if I worked the action while applying a little outward pressure on the finger, the finger would miss the case or barely make contact.  Any suggestions on how to get the ejector finger solid to the block?
many thanks, and my appoligies for my slow brain not picking up on your post sooner.

regards,
jj
6/30/2007 11:06:19 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
How bout hammers? Which ones are working, I've got the m16 version?
Thats fine..

Also, I've noticed the ejector finger has about 1/16 movement right to left, is this typical?
Could quite possibly be a problem.. look at the front of your bolt face where the finer ideally is supposed to appear from to contact the case... pretty minimal, you agree??

You need to make the ejector solid to the block, so it stays fixed and not move away from the case and not tap it firmly to toss it out the port.  After you get the ejector solid to the block, then adjust it to get as close to center and up without actually dragging on the bolt.   Note that I did mention loose ejector in a previous post above.



I think you hit the nail on the head SBR(finger on casing in this case). While monkeying around I found that if I worked the action while applying a little outward pressure on the finger, the finger would miss the case or barely make contact.  Any suggestions on how to get the ejector finger solid to the block?
many thanks, and my appoligies for my slow brain not picking up on your post sooner.

regards,
jj


Get a new magblock it should be covered.Mike
7/1/2007 6:16:49 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
Any suggestions on how to get the ejector finger solid to the block?


Quick repair be to pack the void with JB Weld, or Acra-Glas,  or take a center punch and poke material over to tighen the fit.  I have heard of somebody taking a piece of shim (taken from a feeler gauge set) and using the needed thickness to take up the slop.

I suppose you can send the block back and ask for a replacement that the eject finger is held in a "fixed" position (my block is solid - Hy-Tech).

After you get the eject finger solid, of course you will want to verify correct positioning of the finger in relation to the bolt face and adjust accordingly to get max contact with the case face to tap it out the port opening.
7/1/2007 7:11:18 AM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Any suggestions on how to get the ejector finger solid to the block?


Quick repair be to pack the void with JB Weld, or Acra-Glas,  or take a center punch and poke material over to tighen the fit.  I have heard of somebody taking a piece of shim (taken from a feeler gauge set) and using the needed thickness to take up the slop.

I suppose you can send the block back and ask for a replacement that the eject finger is held in a "fixed" position (my block is solid - Hy-Tech).

After you get the eject finger solid, of course you will want to verify correct positioning of the finger in relation to the bolt face and adjust accordingly to get max contact with the case face to tap it out the port opening.


You don't even have one of these adapters and you are giving hearsay advise on how to fix it???

ALL of the Hahn adapters have a 'floating' ejector that alleviates any friction in the bolt.  The instant that the case is hit by the tip of the ejector it is fully contained in the slot of the bolt.  If the slot on the bolt is too wide, shallow, or cut poorly you can have friction or alignment problems.

Weak ejection is a symptom of an extractor problem not holding the case firmly against the bolt face.  The extractor hook may be bad, the tension may be weak, or your roll pin may be loose.  The 9mm AR is more like a 1911 and like a 1911 your extractor can be a pain to 'tune' if you are having problems, a gunsmith familiar with the 1911 can help you out.
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