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Posted: 5/26/2003 4:10:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/26/2003 4:12:24 AM EDT by SERE]
Interested in building a .22 upper to mirror my RRA CMP upper. Can anyone give me a steer for parts, pitfalls? Would like it to be a tack driver and same configuration (preban, 1/4moa sights, ff tube etc...)
Thanks

(Happy Memorial day to all. THEY ARE NOT FORGOTTEN. SERE class 030170 convened today in Brunswick ME.)
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 5:17:04 AM EDT
Check the equipment exchange. There is a nice 22 upper for sale there.
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 1:05:42 PM EDT
Talk to Kurt at Kurt's Kustom Firearms [url]www.kurtskustomfirearms.citymax.com[/url]. You might want to check out his thread: [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=44&t=140508[/url]
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 5:05:54 AM EDT
Thanks!
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 8:37:21 AM EDT
I think the CMP guys prefer the [url=http://www.compasslake.com/22uppers.htm]Compass Lake[/url] .22 uppers. Or [url=http://www.accuracyspeaks.com/22lrar15.htm]Accuracy Speaks[/url]. They seem to be aimed at the competition shooter, more so than some of the others like [url=http://www.kurtskustomfirearms.citymax.com/catalog/item/29585/1131.htm]Kurt[/url] or [url=http://www.kuehlprecisionfirearms.com/]Kuehl[/url].
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 8:59:13 AM EDT
I concur, and although I believe in the,"you get what you pay for" idea...neither my wallet nor my personal skill level are up to those levels! Thanks for the links. Now leaning toward KKF and Kuehl as solutions. Seems like building one is too expensive. Anyone have good or bad to pass on KKF and Kuehl?
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 9:29:51 AM EDT
No personal experience with any of them yet, but I've seen many good things posted on here about both KKF and Kuehl. Everybody that has one seems to love it. I'm looking for a plinker, so like you I don't think I'm up to the AS or CLE prices. I'm leaning towards Kuehl because KKF still uses the chamber adapter instead of chambering the barrel directly. But I need to find out if he can do a mid-length though. And see if he can use one of the Les Baer uppers w/o the fwd assist. I'm sure KKF can do any config, but I don't know if Kuehl will. I looked into just getting the barrel and building it myself to save money, but unless I already had the rest of the parts it'd cost me more than just buying a complete upper.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 11:24:49 AM EDT
Believe me, I've tried to skin that cat a few different ways. Best I've found is buy a complete .223 upper in the config you like, sell the .223 barrel out of that one to help offset the cost of the (expensive) Douglass .22lr barrel. Still an expensive upper but with the "dedicated LR" advantages and you get to do it yourself. Best source for the .22lr barrel???
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 12:13:43 PM EDT
I'm leaning towards Kuehl because KKF still uses the chamber adapter instead of chambering the barrel directly. But I need to find out if he can do a mid-length though. And see if he can use one of the Les Baer uppers w/o the fwd assist. I'm sure KKF can do any config, but I don't know if Kuehl will.
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If I'm not mistaken KKF uses a dedicated chambered barrel also...
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 12:29:55 PM EDT
As I understand it, Kurt uses a barrel with the proper size & twist for .22LR, then puts on a barrel extension w/o the slots for the lugs on a regular bolt so you can't accidently chamber a .223 round. But it still uses the chamber adapter and unmodified kit. [img]http://www.kurtskustomfirearms.citymax.com/t/section_29585/KKF_BblExt.jpg[/img] Unless he's changed methods recently...
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 12:59:32 PM EDT
Picture's worth 1000 words...!
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 11:32:16 AM EDT
Call Frank at Compass Lake, buy a M-261 kit, have him modify it to work with one of his barrels ,buy one of his barrels,and put it on the upper of your choice.... Mags for the m-261 are @ $15 through Sarco,fit in your 20/30 round GI mags and work well. I have a CMP .22 upper built almost that way.. I got a shotout match barrel and lined it. And built an upper that is same weight and balance as my match upper. Don't have near $ that the manufactures are asking, and shoots 1/2 moa.
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 3:25:53 PM EDT
I already had everything I needed except the barrel so I had Kurt just build the barrel. I think he only charged me $165 to custom build it, complete with M4 profile, front sight post, delta ring, and custom made 2-3/16" long A2 flash suppressor (to bring the length to 16" for use on my non-NFA AR's). That was a few years ago, though. Here's a short flick of my son dumping a 30rd Ciener mag thru my M4gery. (Just cut and paste the link... it won't work from outside of geocities.) http://www.geocities.com/fullautom4gery/gunstuff/cienerm16.mpg
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 4:53:03 AM EDT
Thanks all for the great info. Although Compass Lake has a great and well deserved reputation, I am currently working w/Rick at Kuehl on a solution. He seems to have the appropriate level of quality/price for what I'm trying to do. FullautoM4gery: That MPEG of the young lad with the M4 rocks! Wish my dad had a machine gun!!!!!!!!!!!!
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