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Posted: 2/24/2012 8:06:34 PM EDT
I am new and have A LOT of questions. Just getting into this whole AR thing.  Been collecting guns for a while but, not newer ones till lately. Thank you all for your info that you've shared with me so far!
Ok, I have a heavy barrel on my A2. I have an Ar15 A2 with standard stock and standard fore grips. I looked up the serial number through DPMS's website and they told me that my serial number left from their stock as a "lower receiver only" in 2002. Which means I know nothing about my upper receiver. Is there a way I can tell what upper I have and whether it's pre ban or post ban? Someone told me a collapsible stock and a flash suppressor = post ban. No Bayonet lug, No collapsible stock, No flash suppressor = Pre ban? If this is true I may be looking to get rid of my current upper to get a flat top upper. Anyone know? http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/1033/ar152.jpg Uploaded with ImageShack.us |
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Currently there is no ban on a national level so it's fairly meaningless.
Many states still have laws prohibiting pre ban features on new purchases but as far as I know Ohio isn't one of them (possibly in a couple larger cities with lots of crime). You're inverse on the pre-ban/post-ban features. Pre is before litigation banning assault rifle features and post is after. Authentic pre-ban features were grandfathered in most all states even during the ban and are still allowed in the communist/socialist states well after the assault rifle ban was lifted or expired depending on how one looks at it that still enforce the ban regulations. For the avarage shooter it really doesn't matter because even the military rarely fixed bayonets in the AR/M-16 era and flash signature means very little except to a sniper and most all will kick up a little dust shooting prone with or without a flash hiding device. The most important assault rifle features for an AR in my opinion are a pistol grip and a high capacity magazine. Some communist states still don't even allow these features on new purchases. Thus pre-ban rifles and lowers bring a premium in these states. Downside is the criminals don't care if it's legal or not to own and use so it's just the honest citizens and legitimate tax paying business that lose out. Criminals will always be able to get guns but anywhere citizens are well armed crime is usually gonna be reduced. |
| No, I understand that Ohio doesn't have the law and there is no national ban on rifles. My thinking was I could sell/trade my upper to someone who was looking for a pre ban upper so that I could finance a flat top for myself. I know my lower was made post ban but, how do I know if my upper is preban or postban? Are there markings? Rules? |
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The date of manufacturer does not determine whether an upper alone is pre- or post-ban. The date rule only applies to the lower receiver, or complete rifles, because that's the serialized part.
You have a post-ban upper because you do not have a flash hider or bayo lug. You could definitely put it up on the EE and sell it to somebody in a ban state. |
| There are no such things as pre ban or post ban uppers that can be defined by date of manufacture, only lowers. That said, from the dates you have given your lower is post ban. The upper you have on it, if it has no threaded muzzle, no flash hider, and no bayonet lug, shows the lack of attributes that would classify it as a preban style and would make it legal in a state that still has the prohibitive AWB's in effect. It will shoot just as good as any other upper and is no better or no worse, just different....<><....:) |
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Currently there is no ban on a national level so it's fairly meaningless. Many states still have laws prohibiting pre ban features on new purchases but as far as I know Ohio isn't one of them (possibly in a couple larger cities with lots of crime). You're inverse on the pre-ban/post-ban features. Pre is before litigation banning assault rifle features and post is after. Authentic pre-ban features were grandfathered in most all states even during the ban and are still allowed in the communist/socialist states well after the assault rifle ban was lifted or expired depending on how one looks at it that still enforce the ban regulations. For the avarage shooter it really doesn't matter because even the military rarely fixed bayonets in the AR/M-16 era and flash signature means very little except to a sniper and most all will kick up a little dust shooting prone with or without a flash hiding device. The most important assault rifle features for an AR in my opinion are a pistol grip and a high capacity magazine. Some communist states still don't even allow these features on new purchases. Thus pre-ban rifles and lowers bring a premium in these states. Downside is the criminals don't care if it's legal or not to own and use so it's just the honest citizens and legitimate tax paying business that lose out. Criminals will always be able to get guns but anywhere citizens are well armed crime is usually gonna be reduced. In Ohio if a larger city like dayton or cincinnati tries to impose their own ban we can sick the lawyers on them, as that would violate state law. ORC 9.68 |
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Regardless of fancy cool guy extras, you probably have a pretty good rifle in your hands as it is right now. My vote would be leave it alone for now and spend that money on ammo and go shoot the heck out of it. Once you really know the weapon, and can shoot it to the limits of its mechanical ability with the iron sights, start looking into building an AR with all the features you wish this one had. If you're really new to ARs, try not to get caught up in all the fancy crap thats out there, because it will do more harm than good, and cost a crap ton of money. I have had a small number of tricked out black rifles, and I want nothing more than a M16A2 clone fore my next build, and when thats done a M16A1 clone. However being a hypocrite this is my favorite AR right now...
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