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Posted: 3/16/2014 1:44:31 PM EDT
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I have allotted up to 5k for a piston driven platform, but my heart won't be broken if I spend less. I wanted the ergonomics and accuracy of an AR but the extra durability of the AK. From what I have been reading I think the piston driven platform will meet my needs. When I invest my hard earned money in a product, I want it to be once and done to the extent that it's practical. I have spent hundreds of hours reading and asking other people questions over the past year. I have shot some different AR's and one AK, that are available to me to get a feel for both weapons. The problem is I don't have access to all the weapons I'm interested in to test drive.
This gun will be my go to weapon for home defense, hunting, and SHTF scenarios. It will be a weapon that everyone in my family can operate and train with, that is a requirement for all my home defense weapons. All of my sons hunt, and my wife use to, now she goes to the range on occasion to relieve stress and to keep her confidence up in a SHTF scenario. I now have the funds to buy the AR/AK platform, mags, ammo, accessories, and some spare parts. After lurking on this forum and others I'm always amazed at the amount of information and knowledge offered up. I consider myself a novice (just enough to be dangerous), despite the hundreds of hours reading and shooting my friends AR/AK rifles. I would appreciate any suggestions given the information above. If I could buy both the AK and AR, get the ammo, and accessories I would. I'm not independently wealthy so buying both guns and ammo to train with and stockpile doesn't seem plausible. Or am I missing something? I want to buy it within the next few weeks, so I can purchase two different calibers before the mid term elections. I like the HK, LWRC, and Ruger. I'm not opposed to other manufacturers, but these three are the ones I have done the most due diligence on. The must have accessories are Troy irons and either a Elcan or ACOG optic, and a thousand rounds of 5.56 ammo to get started. Any advice or suggestions are greatly appreciated. |
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I have allotted up to 5k for a piston driven platform, but my heart won't be broken if I spend less. I wanted the ergonomics and accuracy of an AR but the extra durability of the AK. From what I have been reading I think the piston driven platform will meet my needs. When I invest my hard earned money in a product, I want it to be once and done to the extent that it's practical. I have spent hundreds of hours reading and asking other people questions over the past year. I have shot some different AR's and one AK, that are available to me to get a feel for both weapons. The problem is I don't have access to all the weapons I'm interested in to test drive. This gun will be my go to weapon for home defense, hunting, and SHTF scenarios. It will be a weapon that everyone in my family can operate and train with, that is a requirement for all my home defense weapons. All of my sons hunt, and my wife use to, now she goes to the range on occasion to relieve stress and to keep her confidence up in a SHTF scenario. I now have the funds to buy the AR/AK platform, mags, ammo, accessories, and some spare parts. After lurking on this forum and others I'm always amazed at the amount of information and knowledge offered up. I consider myself a novice (just enough to be dangerous), despite the hundreds of hours reading and shooting my friends AR/AK rifles. I would appreciate any suggestions given the information above. If I could buy both the AK and AR, get the ammo, and accessories I would. I'm not independently wealthy so buying both guns and ammo to train with and stockpile doesn't seem plausible. Or am I missing something? I want to buy it within the next few weeks, so I can purchase two different calibers before the mid term elections. I like the HK, LWRC, and Ruger. I'm not opposed to other manufacturers, but these three are the ones I have done the most due diligence on. The must have accessories are Troy irons and either a Elcan or ACOG optic, and a thousand rounds of 5.56 ammo to get started. Any advice or suggestions are greatly appreciated. In my opinion Ruger is not at the same level as HK & LWRC. Have you done a spreadsheet on the different models? IE: Weight, rail length, iron sights, stock, etc.... I know stock, triggers, accessories are easily changed out, but that is more $$$$ spent to get what you want. When I was looking for my first AR, I narrowed it down to HK & LWRC. I ended up with LWRC, it "fit" me better, it is a true fully ambi lower from the factory, (this was a big plus for me since I am a lefty). Do you have LGS nearby that sells HK & LWRC that you could handle them both to get a first hands on feel? What is the primary function for this weapon, HD, SHTF, range? What yardage do you want to go to? I ask because you mention Elcan and ACOG. They are both great optics, but if you don't see yourself going anything over 75-100 yds, you may not necessarily need an optic, maybe reconsider and get a red dot for HD, SHTF scenarios. I have 1/500 LWRC M6IC's that is my range gun, it has the MK6 1-6 scope. I did change the grip and stock and added a Grip Pod to it. I am awaiting on my Six8 UCIW which is on order, I may make that my HD, SHTF weapon. I plan on getting a Aimpoint H-1 for it. I am also adding a Ergo grip and switching the trigger to a Geissele SSA-E, that is a great trigger, it came with my IC from the factory. I believe HK weighs about 1lb more fwiw. HK is a great platform also. It is a matter of what you feel is better for you and your family. One negative about HK and I have two of their handguns is that it is harder to get parts in that alot of their parts are proprietary to them and not alot of aftermarket manufacturers are out there. I hope this was helpful in some way for you. Feel free to email me with any other questions you may have. |
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In my opinion Ruger is not at the same level as HK & LWRC. Have you done a spreadsheet on the different models? IE: Weight, rail length, iron sights, stock, etc.... I know stock, triggers, accessories are easily changed out, but that is more $$$$ spent to get what you want. When I was looking for my first AR, I narrowed it down to HK & LWRC. I ended up with LWRC, it "fit" me better, it is a true fully ambi lower from the factory, (this was a big plus for me since I am a lefty). Do you have LGS nearby that sells HK & LWRC that you could handle them both to get a first hands on feel? What is the primary function for this weapon, HD, SHTF, range? What yardage do you want to go to? I ask because you mention Elcan and ACOG. They are both great optics, but if you don't see yourself going anything over 75-100 yds, you may not necessarily need an optic, maybe reconsider and get a red dot for HD, SHTF scenarios. I have 1/500 LWRC M6IC's that is my range gun, it has the MK6 1-6 scope. I did change the grip and stock and added a Grip Pod to it. I am awaiting on my Six8 UCIW which is on order, I may make that my HD, SHTF weapon. I plan on getting a Aimpoint H-1 for it. I am also adding a Ergo grip and switching the trigger to a Geissele SSA-E, that is a great trigger, it came with my IC from the factory. I believe HK weighs about 1lb more fwiw. HK is a great platform also. It is a matter of what you feel is better for you and your family. One negative about HK and I have two of their handguns is that it is harder to get parts in that alot of their parts are proprietary to them and not alot of aftermarket manufacturers are out there. I hope this was helpful in some way for you. Feel free to email me with any other questions you may have. Quoted:
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I have allotted up to 5k for a piston driven platform, but my heart won't be broken if I spend less. I wanted the ergonomics and accuracy of an AR but the extra durability of the AK. From what I have been reading I think the piston driven platform will meet my needs. When I invest my hard earned money in a product, I want it to be once and done to the extent that it's practical. I have spent hundreds of hours reading and asking other people questions over the past year. I have shot some different AR's and one AK, that are available to me to get a feel for both weapons. The problem is I don't have access to all the weapons I'm interested in to test drive. This gun will be my go to weapon for home defense, hunting, and SHTF scenarios. It will be a weapon that everyone in my family can operate and train with, that is a requirement for all my home defense weapons. All of my sons hunt, and my wife use to, now she goes to the range on occasion to relieve stress and to keep her confidence up in a SHTF scenario. I now have the funds to buy the AR/AK platform, mags, ammo, accessories, and some spare parts. After lurking on this forum and others I'm always amazed at the amount of information and knowledge offered up. I consider myself a novice (just enough to be dangerous), despite the hundreds of hours reading and shooting my friends AR/AK rifles. I would appreciate any suggestions given the information above. If I could buy both the AK and AR, get the ammo, and accessories I would. I'm not independently wealthy so buying both guns and ammo to train with and stockpile doesn't seem plausible. Or am I missing something? I want to buy it within the next few weeks, so I can purchase two different calibers before the mid term elections. I like the HK, LWRC, and Ruger. I'm not opposed to other manufacturers, but these three are the ones I have done the most due diligence on. The must have accessories are Troy irons and either a Elcan or ACOG optic, and a thousand rounds of 5.56 ammo to get started. Any advice or suggestions are greatly appreciated. In my opinion Ruger is not at the same level as HK & LWRC. Have you done a spreadsheet on the different models? IE: Weight, rail length, iron sights, stock, etc.... I know stock, triggers, accessories are easily changed out, but that is more $$$$ spent to get what you want. When I was looking for my first AR, I narrowed it down to HK & LWRC. I ended up with LWRC, it "fit" me better, it is a true fully ambi lower from the factory, (this was a big plus for me since I am a lefty). Do you have LGS nearby that sells HK & LWRC that you could handle them both to get a first hands on feel? What is the primary function for this weapon, HD, SHTF, range? What yardage do you want to go to? I ask because you mention Elcan and ACOG. They are both great optics, but if you don't see yourself going anything over 75-100 yds, you may not necessarily need an optic, maybe reconsider and get a red dot for HD, SHTF scenarios. I have 1/500 LWRC M6IC's that is my range gun, it has the MK6 1-6 scope. I did change the grip and stock and added a Grip Pod to it. I am awaiting on my Six8 UCIW which is on order, I may make that my HD, SHTF weapon. I plan on getting a Aimpoint H-1 for it. I am also adding a Ergo grip and switching the trigger to a Geissele SSA-E, that is a great trigger, it came with my IC from the factory. I believe HK weighs about 1lb more fwiw. HK is a great platform also. It is a matter of what you feel is better for you and your family. One negative about HK and I have two of their handguns is that it is harder to get parts in that alot of their parts are proprietary to them and not alot of aftermarket manufacturers are out there. I hope this was helpful in some way for you. Feel free to email me with any other questions you may have. Thanks for the reply. I'm a big HK fan and owner. But like you said their parts are expensive and hard to find. I like HK's design on the gas piston system. In fact there is not much I don't like about it except parts, pricing, and availability like you mentioned. I keep telling myself to get the HK MR556 because I will never have to worry about parts.  Yeah right. If/When things go sideway's and I can't work on my go to weapon............. I'm SOL.
The only gun I don't have access to is the HK. I have shot the Ruger SR556 but not the carbine. I personally don't notice the weight but maybe I would if I was shooting it for an extended period of time? I really like the feel and looks of the LWRC but never fired one. The LWRC reminds me of the first time I picked up my HK 45 USP. It just fit and felt right. I know not very scientific but that's all I have to go on, other than reading what I can on the internet. I thought I was out of my mind when I laid down $950.00 for my HK 45. I spent two years deciding and I never had one to shoot. I'm very capable with that gun and I'm no marksman. I am looking at the Elcan and ACOG because they are quality optics. In fact there are a lot of good choices out there. I have a friend who has an Elcan and I have to say the glass is top of the line, crystal clear, fast target acquisition, big eye box, and built like a tank. I have to admit I'm a little biased. For now the piston driven platform is going to be used for all three HD, range, and hunting. The plan is to get the Eclan or ACOG now that I have the funds. Then when I get a dedicated .308 put the Eclan on it, and do as you suggested and go with an EOTech 512 or Aimpoint red dot. What else can you tell me about your LWRC? Is there anything you don't like? How did you finally decide to go with it over the HK or any other model? Is there any play or rattle in the gun? The Ruger is tight and there is no slop which impresses the hell out of me for the price point. |
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Hey for that kind of $$$ you can build TWO piston-driven rifles.
If you've lurked here long enough you've seen the mantra of "two is one and one is none." That means that if one goes down you have a backup to fall back on if you have 2. You could also buy 2 Rugers. Sure, they aren't HK or LWRC, but they are a much larger manufacturer and supplier on this side of the pond, so their spare parts would be the most available. If you did 2 builds with good parts you could still have $$$ leftover for spare parts, and the rifles could be built with differing purposes in mine (i.e. a 20" and a short carbine) yet the parts would be interchangeable, so long as the op systems were the same (midlength would make the most sense in this instance). One thing about a build too, if S*&* really did hit the fan and your piston went down on your build you can retrofit it to DI and keep on trucking, not an option with the brands you've chosen. I built my "Swiss Army knife" (real all-purpose, SPR influenced) of a rifle but only 1 with spare small and piston parts as those are what can be lost easiest or most difficult to scrounge were it necessary. I used really good parts and would put the quality up against any of the manufacturers you mentioned. It's not the best rifle for any particular purpose, but with the fine collection of parts it has it will do everything I need it to very well. It shoots .75 moa, it is a bit heavy with a standard scope (Leupold VX-R 3-9) and red dot on a 45deg mount (Leupy Deltapoint) but I'm ok with that. It was built for ME, not for the masses, so it is perfect for me. Anyway I don't think you can go wrong, it just depends on how easy you want parts accessability to be. Again, with a build though you can use whatever you find for spare parts, not an option with proprietary rifles. That's why I built instead of bought my piston gun. |
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For now the piston driven platform is going to be used for all three HD, range, and hunting. The plan is to get the Eclan or ACOG now that I have the funds. Then when I get a dedicated .308 put the Eclan on it, and do as you suggested and go with an EOTech 512 or Aimpoint red dot.
What else can you tell me about your LWRC? Is there anything you don't like? How did you finally decide to go with it over the HK or any other model? Is there any play or rattle in the gun? The Ruger is tight and there is no slop which impresses the hell out of me for the price point. In reference to the Elcan, just remember that if you know you are going to change it that they make a BDC for both 5.56 and .308 so it really isn't practical to by it with what you have in mind. Same goes for the ACOG. When it comes to optics it truly can be the "Buy once, Cry once". I can honestly say there isn't one thing I don't like about it. I was able to hold a MR556 and a M6A2 in y hands back to back. The LWRC is lighter and fit me! at the time the fully ambi lower was just being introduced fully to the public. I am a lefty shooter and liked the fact that I wouldn't have to do any modifications Andorra dd ins to it. I have zero play or rattle in it. I held the Ruger also and it is nice, but didn't overly impress me like the LWRC did. I've left some of the guys behind the counter at the LGS where I purchased it from and pretty much all them it's the best feeling AR they have shot and they all smile and tell me how nice if a shooter it is but also how well they are made and put together. Something else I have thought of is CS, LWRCs is second to none. |
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Hey for that kind of $$$ you can build TWO piston-driven rifles. If you've lurked here long enough you've seen the mantra of "two is one and one is none." That means that if one goes down you have a backup to fall back on if you have 2. You could also buy 2 Rugers. Sure, they aren't HK or LWRC, but they are a much larger manufacturer and supplier on this side of the pond, so their spare parts would be the most available. If you did 2 builds with good parts you could still have $$$ leftover for spare parts, and the rifles could be built with differing purposes in mine (i.e. a 20" and a short carbine) yet the parts would be interchangeable, so long as the op systems were the same (midlength would make the most sense in this instance). One thing about a build too, if S*&* really did hit the fan and your piston went down on your build you can retrofit it to DI and keep on trucking, not an option with the brands you've chosen. I built my "Swiss Army knife" (real all-purpose, SPR influenced) of a rifle but only 1 with spare small and piston parts as those are what can be lost easiest or most difficult to scrounge were it necessary. I used really good parts and would put the quality up against any of the manufacturers you mentioned. It's not the best rifle for any particular purpose, but with the fine collection of parts it has it will do everything I need it to very well. It shoots .75 moa, it is a bit heavy with a standard scope (Leupold VX-R 3-9) and red dot on a 45deg mount (Leupy Deltapoint) but I'm ok with that. It was built for ME, not for the masses, so it is perfect for me. Anyway I don't think you can go wrong, it just depends on how easy you want parts accessability to be. Again, with a build though you can use whatever you find for spare parts, not an option with proprietary rifles. That's why I built instead of bought my piston gun. Do you have any pics? I would like to see your build. |
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Have you considered PWS? I have them in 223 and 308, about 7000 rounds in the Mk116 (cleaned it thrice) and around 2500 rounds in the 216 (cleaned once). the Mk116 is as light as a DI AR and has little recoil. The 216 308 makes a great battle rifle and I've been able to get 1 MOA groups with 168gr SMKs out to 650 yards.. A guy over on snipershide (DMACK) has put 11,000 rounds through his PWS MK214 308 with no malfunctions and has cleaned it only a handful of times.
I'd easily put the PWS up there with LWRC and HK. The only changes I made was dropping in some Geissele triggers. FYI. I run the MK216 with an Aimpoint Pro and Steiner 1-5x24 and the MK216 with a Steiner 3-12x56. Steiner's glass is 95% of what S&B and Henstoldt, for a much lower (but still high) price. |
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What is your reason for a piston AR? I ask this because many are lured to the AR side, but want that AK style piston set up. The "mergers" just aren't the same (this coming from a happy AA owner). Yes, it's a cleaner running AR, but no, it's no AK. IMHO, the SIG556 is the BEST merger of AR (like) ergo's and AK style piston (read: utterly reliable with little maintenance). AR "piston systems" are all a "compromise" and retain AR parts that are not needed in a piston setup. Example: the AR's long, heavy, BCG. It's useless for a piston system, but is retained to keep the rest of the AR system as close to stock as possible. Sig556 doesn't use it, as it's not a AR "conversion" piston set up. Nor is the Faxon ARAK21 which ditches the AR concept for an upper that mates to a mil spec AR lower (but disposes of DI style parts since it's engineered as a piston system).
While an AR (DI) is simple is design, it is NOT simple in parts (has almost 2x the number of parts of an AK). Many of those additional parts are in the lower. This is a consequence of it's ergo's (requiring more parts). If you are married to the ergos of an AR, then that limits your choices. There is the Sig556, Faxon ARAK21, and the (lessor option) of a "conversion" system such as AA and others (that still retain DI parts which are no longer needed). If you're just after reliability, simplicity, and decent accuracy... I'd recommend an AK-74 (5.45x39). You'll not have the endless supply of aftermarket support or accessories that the AR has, but a very stout system that has everything it needs, and nothing it doesn't (and will give AR's a run for it's money in accuracy). Just my late night .02 ramblings 
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My vote would be for the LWRC IC SPR . An AWESOME gun and my next also . When I get it that'll bring me up to (4) LWRC's , and I've had zero issues and CS service has been great when I call to grab something . Another thing , you said you wanted Troy sights . You will love the Skirmish BUIS on the IC , my friends that love Troy love these also .
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Have you considered PWS? I have them in 223 and 308, about 7000 rounds in the Mk116 (cleaned it thrice) and around 2500 rounds in the 216 (cleaned once). the Mk116 is as light as a DI AR and has little recoil. The 216 308 makes a great battle rifle and I've been able to get 1 MOA groups with 168gr SMKs out to 650 yards.. A guy over on snipershide (DMACK) has put 11,000 rounds through his PWS MK214 308 with no malfunctions and has cleaned it only a handful of times. I'd easily put the PWS up there with LWRC and HK. The only changes I made was dropping in some Geissele triggers. FYI. I run the MK216 with an Aimpoint Pro and Steiner 1-5x24 and the MK216 with a Steiner 3-12x56. Steiner's glass is 95% of what S&B and Henstoldt, for a much lower (but still high) price. I own an LWRC and a few Larue's. Great guns. I recently purchased a PWS for wife. Very nice gun, light and easy to handle. MK1 14.5. I also know a few people who have put 10k plus rounds through them with no issues. Very under rated gun in my view and best value out there. My next AR will be a 12" PWS suppressed. For your budget I would consider 2 weapons as well. |
| I am trying to bridge the gap between the AR and AK. I could buy both at some point down the road. To be honest I probably won't be happy until I own the AK. With that being said I am hoping the piston driven will prove me wrong. I have had a few people tell me some of the piston driven rifles might make me forget about the AK. I have looked at the SIG 556. One issue I was having is hands on!! Every piston driven system I was considering, except for the Ruger I did not have access to. I have a few friends that have AK's and after a few hours shooting it I know why. With that said, I still want a little more accuracy. |
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What is your reason for a piston AR? I ask this because many are lured to the AR side, but want that AK style piston set up. The "mergers" just aren't the same (this coming from a happy AA owner). Yes, it's a cleaner running AR, but no, it's no AK. IMHO, the SIG556 is the BEST merger of AR (like) ergo's and AK style piston (read: utterly reliable with little maintenance). AR "piston systems" are all a "compromise" and retain AR parts that are not needed in a piston setup. Example: the AR's long, heavy, BCG. It's useless for a piston system, but is retained to keep the rest of the AR system as close to stock as possible. Sig556 doesn't use it, as it's not a AR "conversion" piston set up. Nor is the Faxon ARAK21 which ditches the AR concept for an upper that mates to a mil spec AR lower (but disposes of DI style parts since it's engineered as a piston system). While an AR (DI) is simple is design, it is NOT simple in parts (has almost 2x the number of parts of an AK). Many of those additional parts are in the lower. This is a consequence of it's ergo's (requiring more parts). If you are married to the ergos of an AR, then that limits your choices. There is the Sig556, Faxon ARAK21, and the (lessor option) of a "conversion" system such as AA and others (that still retain DI parts which are no longer needed). If you're just after reliability, simplicity, and decent accuracy... I'd recommend an AK-74 (5.45x39). You'll not have the endless supply of aftermarket support or accessories that the AR has, but a very stout system that has everything it needs, and nothing it doesn't (and will give AR's a run for it's money in accuracy). Just my late night .02 ramblings I have not had hands on with the SIG 556 but have shot the SIG 716 and was very impressed with the precision of the platform. |
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Have you considered PWS? I have them in 223 and 308, about 7000 rounds in the Mk116 (cleaned it thrice) and around 2500 rounds in the 216 (cleaned once). the Mk116 is as light as a DI AR and has little recoil. The 216 308 makes a great battle rifle and I've been able to get 1 MOA groups with 168gr SMKs out to 650 yards.. A guy over on snipershide (DMACK) has put 11,000 rounds through his PWS MK214 308 with no malfunctions and has cleaned it only a handful of times. I'd easily put the PWS up there with LWRC and HK. The only changes I made was dropping in some Geissele triggers. FYI. I run the MK216 with an Aimpoint Pro and Steiner 1-5x24 and the MK216 with a Steiner 3-12x56. Steiner's glass is 95% of what S&B and Henstoldt, for a much lower (but still high) price. I did look at the PWS but I kept coming back to the HK. But parts for HK hurts for those of you who don't own one. And I'm an HK kook-aid drinker. I think their decals retail for 50 bucks:) I had a few people suggest, I look into the LWRC M6 IC Enhanced. After many late night's of DD I decided on the IC Enhanced, other than sticker shock whats not to like? I'm still not 100% on the optics yet, but by Monday hope to get this ordered. |
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I did look at the PWS but I kept coming back to the HK. But parts for HK hurts for those of you who don't own one. And I'm an HK kook-aid drinker. I think their decals retail for 50 bucks:) I had a few people suggest, I look into the LWRC M6 IC Enhanced. After many late night's of DD I decided on the IC Enhanced, other than sticker shock whats not to like? I'm still not 100% on the optics yet, but by Monday hope to get this ordered. Quoted:
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Have you considered PWS? I have them in 223 and 308, about 7000 rounds in the Mk116 (cleaned it thrice) and around 2500 rounds in the 216 (cleaned once). the Mk116 is as light as a DI AR and has little recoil. The 216 308 makes a great battle rifle and I've been able to get 1 MOA groups with 168gr SMKs out to 650 yards.. A guy over on snipershide (DMACK) has put 11,000 rounds through his PWS MK214 308 with no malfunctions and has cleaned it only a handful of times. I'd easily put the PWS up there with LWRC and HK. The only changes I made was dropping in some Geissele triggers. FYI. I run the MK216 with an Aimpoint Pro and Steiner 1-5x24 and the MK216 with a Steiner 3-12x56. Steiner's glass is 95% of what S&B and Henstoldt, for a much lower (but still high) price. I did look at the PWS but I kept coming back to the HK. But parts for HK hurts for those of you who don't own one. And I'm an HK kook-aid drinker. I think their decals retail for 50 bucks:) I had a few people suggest, I look into the LWRC M6 IC Enhanced. After many late night's of DD I decided on the IC Enhanced, other than sticker shock whats not to like? I'm still not 100% on the optics yet, but by Monday hope to get this ordered. Congrats, it's a nice weapon. Post some pics when you get it
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Have you considered PWS? I have them in 223 and 308, about 7000 rounds in the Mk116 (cleaned it thrice) and around 2500 rounds in the 216 (cleaned once). the Mk116 is as light as a DI AR and has little recoil. The 216 308 makes a great battle rifle and I've been able to get 1 MOA groups with 168gr SMKs out to 650 yards.. A guy over on snipershide (DMACK) has put 11,000 rounds through his PWS MK214 308 with no malfunctions and has cleaned it only a handful of times. I'd easily put the PWS up there with LWRC and HK. The only changes I made was dropping in some Geissele triggers. FYI. I run the MK216 with an Aimpoint Pro and Steiner 1-5x24 and the MK216 with a Steiner 3-12x56. Steiner's glass is 95% of what S&B and Henstoldt, for a much lower (but still high) price. I did look at the PWS but I kept coming back to the HK. But parts for HK hurts for those of you who don't own one. And I'm an HK kook-aid drinker. I think their decals retail for 50 bucks:) I had a few people suggest, I look into the LWRC M6 IC Enhanced. After many late night's of DD I decided on the IC Enhanced, other than sticker shock whats not to like? I'm still not 100% on the optics yet, but by Monday hope to get this ordered. Congrats, it's a nice weapon. Post some pics when you get it I will be sure to post pics. In fact there is a member who has exactly the same platform on here. I had his pic up and my wife closed the page out, and I can't find it again!!!  Does anyone know who has the M6 IC Enhanced in Patriot Brown with the FDE Elcan??? That thing is NICE!!!!! I might have to change colors and optics now!!!! I need to make up my mind by morning. The Leupold and Vortex are two that I'm looking at also.
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It's a done deal now.
M6IC Enhanced 14.7 with SSA/E trigger Cerakote Burnt Bronze with factory etching and textured rail 51T mount Laser etched magwell Elcan Specter DR 1-4 5.56 in FDE Also included in the package was a free microwave that can be attached to the rail now that I can't afford to eat!!!!
On a serious note can anyone help me locate the member on here who has this set up but the black Elcan? I had it but now I can't find his pic. |
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Hey for that kind of $$$ you can build TWO piston-driven rifles. If you've lurked here long enough you've seen the mantra of "two is one and one is none." That means that if one goes down you have a backup to fall back on if you have 2. You could also buy 2 Rugers. Sure, they aren't HK or LWRC, but they are a much larger manufacturer and supplier on this side of the pond, so their spare parts would be the most available. If you did 2 builds with good parts you could still have $$$ leftover for spare parts, and the rifles could be built with differing purposes in mine (i.e. a 20" and a short carbine) yet the parts would be interchangeable, so long as the op systems were the same (midlength would make the most sense in this instance). One thing about a build too, if S*&* really did hit the fan and your piston went down on your build you can retrofit it to DI and keep on trucking, not an option with the brands you've chosen. Sorry, bit late now since I was off for a few days but if you look at the piston gun pics it's on page 41, near the bottom. I built my "Swiss Army knife" (real all-purpose, SPR influenced) of a rifle but only 1 with spare small and piston parts as those are what can be lost easiest or most difficult to scrounge were it necessary. I used really good parts and would put the quality up against any of the manufacturers you mentioned. It's not the best rifle for any particular purpose, but with the fine collection of parts it has it will do everything I need it to very well. It shoots .75 moa, it is a bit heavy with a standard scope (Leupold VX-R 3-9) and red dot on a 45deg mount (Leupy Deltapoint) but I'm ok with that. It was built for ME, not for the masses, so it is perfect for me. Anyway I don't think you can go wrong, it just depends on how easy you want parts accessability to be. Again, with a build though you can use whatever you find for spare parts, not an option with proprietary rifles. That's why I built instead of bought my piston gun. Do you have any pics? I would like to see your build. |
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