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Posted: 4/12/2011 3:08:38 PM EDT
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I currently own a DI gun and have been considering a gas piston. I am not going to war and will use it for punching paper, steel, and maybe some hogs. Any owners of both with a report on accuracy.
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| The stock SCAR is pretty sweet and doesnt have the muzzle rise the LWRC say the stock M6A2 has nor the recoil. But one thing on the SCAR that is heavily attributed to this is the PWS FSC556 comp. Add one to an LWRC and things change. I like the FSC556 quite a bit but the concussion...aka slap in the face the person sitting next to you gets absolutely sucks! And it is LOUD! But overalll I would take the SCAR. It is battle tested and one of the lowest stoppage rates of any rifle out. The weight and sights are IMHO awesome. It handles well and is substantially accurate! My only major hang up is the reciprocating handling! I have heard many complaints about the scar stock but I am yet to see any picture of one actually broken. Warranty...ah...LWRC all day...FN is a nightmare and slooooowwww! |
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Quoted: The stock SCAR is pretty sweet and doesnt have the muzzle rise the LWRC say the stock M6A2 has nor the recoil. But one thing on the SCAR that is heavily attributed to this is the PWS FSC556 comp. Add one to an LWRC and things change. I like the FSC556 quite a bit but the concussion...aka slap in the face the person sitting next to you gets absolutely sucks! And it is LOUD! But overalll I would take the SCAR. It is battle tested and one of the lowest stoppage rates of any rifle out. The weight and sights are IMHO awesome. It handles well and is substantially accurate! My only major hang up is the reciprocating handling! I have heard many complaints about the scar stock but I am yet to see any picture of one actually broken. Warranty...ah...LWRC all day...FN is a nightmare and slooooowwww! Some good observations there. I'll just add a few things. The FSC556 comp does make a differnce, but nearly as much as I thought. When I chopped my SCAR, I removed the FSC556 comp and replaced it with the Gentech G5 Quick-lock (phantom style). I also still have a srock SCAR 16. After I tuned the gas port on the shorty, the two weapons shoot nearly identical. There is a LITTLE less muzzle rise with the 16", but not much. IMO, the main contributing factor to the lower perceved recoil on the SCAR is the low cyclic rate. FWIW, I've never had an issue with the reciprocating charging handle, and in fact, I now think it is a plus. I can tell the state of the bolt just by glancing at the handle, while still in the firing position. No rotating the gun to check for a locked back bolt, etc. I don't use a mag well grip, so I've never had a case of "SCAR thumb." The SCAR stock has been 4.0 for me so far. No trouble at all. I'm still considering a swap to a metal latch if/when one becomes available. |
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What's your question? I own both LWRCi guns and SCARs. They are both fine rifles. Neither one has ever failed me. I personally prefer the SCAR, but I'm not getting rid of the LWRC guns. Same here, I might consider it if a 6.8 SBR barrel and 6.8 bolt were made available for my 16s. 
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The stock SCAR is pretty sweet and doesnt have the muzzle rise the LWRC say the stock M6A2 has nor the recoil. But one thing on the SCAR that is heavily attributed to this is the PWS FSC556 comp. Add one to an LWRC and things change. I like the FSC556 quite a bit but the concussion...aka slap in the face the person sitting next to you gets absolutely sucks! And it is LOUD! But overalll I would take the SCAR. It is battle tested and one of the lowest stoppage rates of any rifle out. The weight and sights are IMHO awesome. It handles well and is substantially accurate! My only major hang up is the reciprocating handling! I have heard many complaints about the scar stock but I am yet to see any picture of one actually broken. Warranty...ah...LWRC all day...FN is a nightmare and slooooowwww! add one to the a3 and it's like shooting a bb gun..... |
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Thanks for the info guys. I just keep going back and forth between the two. Maybe I'll just get a Noveske and be over it. If I could only have one rifle, it would be either my SCAR 16S or my KAC SR15E3. Noveske isnt in the same league. I kind of see where you're coming from and I own both rifles the OP asked about and a few others mentioned. One SCAR, two LWRC's, multiple Noveske's and three SR15 E3's..I absolutely love the SCAR and all of them run without any issues but, the LWRC to me are the heaviest out of the bunch and I personally do not like having to remove the rail to access the piston system. While it's not a huge issue, it's something to think about I guess. If I had to choose between the SCAR and LWRC, I would choose the SCAR right now. As far as the Novekse goes, they are definitely known for their barrels accuracy and IMO, really only pertains to their SS line of barrels. they deserve all the accolades in that regard but, other than that, they are just like any other standard DI gun with a higher price tag. What sets the KAC apart IMO, is the overall improvements they have made to the system as a whole. E3 bolt, which will outlast the barrel, ambi controls, and longer gas system for smoother cycling to name a few. Accuracy with all are just about the same from my personal experience so it's a moot point IMO. |
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My friend just returned from A-stan and I asked him if he had any trigger time on the 416 or SCAR. He is Navy EOD and had no time on the 416 but did use the SCAR.....He didn't really like the feel. Too front heavy he described.
Never the less, he prefers the M4. Personally I own two LWRCI's and LOVE them. Waiting to pick up my new SPR on Monday. |
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My friend just returned from A-stan and I asked him if he had any trigger time on the 416 or SCAR. He is Navy EOD and had no time on the 416 but did use the SCAR.....He didn't really like the feel. Too front heavy he described. Never the less, he prefers the M4. Personally I own two LWRCI's and LOVE them. Waiting to pick up my new SPR on Monday. I'm only assuming the one he used might have other stuff attached to the SCAR such as a weapon light and PEQ possibly? If so, having that mounted on any rifle is going to make it front heavy. I run my SCAR bone stock with a RDS and I persoanlly do not feel it is any heavier than any of my other AR rifles. If you compare it to a bone stock M4 then yes, it may seem a tad bit heavier but, not by much at all. My SCAR feels lighter than my Noveske 14.5" Afghan with the SWS rail. |
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The stock SCAR is pretty sweet and doesnt have the muzzle rise the LWRC say the stock M6A2 has nor the recoil. But one thing on the SCAR that is heavily attributed to this is the PWS FSC556 comp. Add one to an LWRC and things change. I like the FSC556 quite a bit but the concussion...aka slap in the face the person sitting next to you gets absolutely sucks! And it is LOUD! But overalll I would take the SCAR. It is battle tested and one of the lowest stoppage rates of any rifle out. The weight and sights are IMHO awesome. It handles well and is substantially accurate! My only major hang up is the reciprocating handling! I have heard many complaints about the scar stock but I am yet to see any picture of one actually broken. Warranty...ah...LWRC all day...FN is a nightmare and slooooowwww! add one to the a3 and it's like shooting a bb gun..... +1 I don't on a SCAR, but I've got two LWRC uppers a 10.5' and a 16' both M6 A2s, I run 'em both on my M16 lower and have NEVER experienced any malfunctions or any noticeable muzzle rise during burst fire or full auto. The LWRC uppers are indeed heavy, but they are built like tanks and can/will take everything you throw at them. I did have to send my 10.5' upper into LWRC after shooting 10K rounds, during routine maint. I took it apart to see that the op-rod had bent a little, they not only replaced the op-rod but upgraded my entire upper for FREE! They put a new barrel, new BCG, new H3 buffer, new buffer spring, new barrel nut. The only thing original was the upper and the hand guards. Mind you there was nothing wrong with any of the replaced components except for the op-rod. That is what I call customer service, 1 week turn around BTW and super friendly people. |
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The stock SCAR is pretty sweet and doesnt have the muzzle rise the LWRC say the stock M6A2 has nor the recoil. But one thing on the SCAR that is heavily attributed to this is the PWS FSC556 comp. Add one to an LWRC and things change. I like the FSC556 quite a bit but the concussion...aka slap in the face the person sitting next to you gets absolutely sucks! And it is LOUD! But overalll I would take the SCAR. It is battle tested and one of the lowest stoppage rates of any rifle out. The weight and sights are IMHO awesome. It handles well and is substantially accurate! My only major hang up is the reciprocating handling! I have heard many complaints about the scar stock but I am yet to see any picture of one actually broken. Warranty...ah...LWRC all day...FN is a nightmare and slooooowwww! add one to the a3 and it's like shooting a bb gun..... +1 I don't on a SCAR, but I've got two LWRC uppers a 10.5' and a 16' both M6 A2s, I run 'em both on my M16 lower and have NEVER experienced any malfunctions or any noticeable muzzle rise during burst fire or full auto. The LWRC uppers are indeed heavy, but they are built like tanks and can/will take everything you throw at them. I did have to send my 10.5' upper into LWRC after shooting 10K rounds, during routine maint. I took it apart to see that the op-rod had bent a little, they not only replaced the op-rod but upgraded my entire upper for FREE! They put a new barrel, new BCG, new H3 buffer, new buffer spring, new barrel nut. The only thing original was the upper and the hand guards. Mind you there was nothing wrong with any of the replaced components except for the op-rod. That is what I call customer service, 1 week turn around BTW and super friendly people. they do have excellent customer service. I wantd to add something else to what soap said. LWRC's have been tested in the field as well and are one of only 2 rifles to pass the seal otb test. I have shot the scar and it's nice but it's not more accurate or more reliable the my lwrcs. I'd say they are probably on par with one another. BEsides, are we sure that the barrel flexing issues with the scar have been sorted out? If you own the first few batches, no...... |
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