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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - A bit miffed (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 11/19/2012 7:28:47 PM EDT
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All these non-topic thread about retro shotguns and such, then my thread about a retro S&W Hush Puppy project gets move and even to the wrong category. Right when some folks are starting to think of the same thing... Even handed? I think not...
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| either way this thread goes,please keep us posted here in retro land. there are quite a few guys with xm177,607s,etc builds that this pistol would compliment greatly!!!! on a side note there is a website called hoosier gun works that has 2 model 39 slides forsale priced under 30 bucks for anyone else looking to do one of these builds. i also have 2 model 39 slides that i snatched up 2 years ago for this very retro iconic pistol of the vietnam war. my plan for the front sight was going to be a front sight from a model 29 with th rear section of the sight dremmeled away. |
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You know, I saw this but I kept my mouth shut because I'm still pretty new in these parts.
But it seemed pretty silly to move it. I understand this is supposed to be for only retro M16s, but it still seems like the best place to put it. Not only was it moved, but it was moved to a place for .22s. My guess is that someone saw "22" and assumed that meant it was chambered in .22lr or something. Either way keep us posted and be sure to post pics when it's done. |
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That's a shame...maybe we could get it moved back. I was watching that project with interest in perhaps doing one myself.
They give us a lot of slack on here in that I know I have started threads about the Robinson M96 and the RPD just off the top of my head. Can we get it back mods? |
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i totally agree, besides the m1911a1 pistol, i can think of no other pistol more iconic to the vietnam war than the mk22 mod 0 9mm pistol!!!! when i think of nam era weapons of navy seals,this pistol along with xm177s ,stoners come to mind immediately!!! Devil's advocate. This aint the retro Viet Nam page, it aint the retro Johnson page or the retro shotgun page or the 1911a1 or the repeal the GCA. We as a community determined during inception what is a retro AR, no A2 sights or round rifle handguards. Don't take it as hating just work within the rules, post some eye candy of your xm177 and have the Browning in the pic, no problem, link to your build thread and I'm sure those that are interested will lfollow along with your project. There is sometimes way too much clutter here its bad enough with all these 6XX model guns when the only real retro ARs are brown and green and come in thirty caliber  , but then we all make consessions in a community.
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i totally agree, besides the m1911a1 pistol, i can think of no other pistol more iconic to the vietnam war than the mk22 mod 0 9mm pistol!!!! when i think of nam era weapons of navy seals,this pistol along with xm177s ,stoners come to mind immediately!!! Devil's advocate. This aint the retro Viet Nam page, it aint the retro Johnson page or the retro shotgun page or the 1911a1 or the repeal the GCA. We as a community determined during inception what is a retro AR, no A2 sights or round rifle handguards. Don't take it as hating just work within the rules, post some eye candy of your xm177 and have the Browning in the pic, no problem, link to your build thread and I'm sure those that are interested will lfollow along with your project. There is sometimes way too much clutter here its bad enough with all these 6XX model guns when the only real retro ARs are brown and green and come in thirty caliber , but then we all make consessions in a community.^^^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
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Folks, I have completed the drawing for the faux Mk 3 suppressor... |
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OP don't take it personally, if you post enough stuff, eventually you will have something moved to a more appropriate forum...most of us here have had a thread moved (and some people have had it happen more than once).
With that being said, I too would like to see this section cleaned up a little. There are already forums specifically for shotguns, AR10's, handguns, as well as forums set up for many other makes and models. Let's use them as they were intended to be used, instead of cluttering up the retro AR section. Some of you newer guys/gals may not know this, but originally there was no AR15 retro section. It came about because of the number of threads in AR Discussion that dealt with retro models. So a sub forum was eventually created for them.Same goes for the relatively new A2 forum Perhaps each of those previously mentioned forums will also get their own retro section if enough interest is shown. However, the people running the site will never know of that interest if people post threads here (where there is the possibility it will get moved to the wrong forum by mistake) instead.of the forum they truly belong in. well, that was my 2 cents...and it's worth every nickel 
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I think the OP is complaining about the seeming arbitrariness of moving his thread. As I post this, on the first two pages there are threads about:
Berthier automatic rifle a "weird clip" a 1993 A2 carbine Blackhawk down build Inconal mortar tubes Navy SEAL M37 shotgun Vietnam War relics and another retro shotgun thread I don't mind them and I understand them as I figure this forum is filled with people with similar interest, a large knowledge base and can appreciate recreating a retro piece that isn't otherwise available. I'm not sure where some of those threads would even belong but like I said I have read most of those. I enjoy learning about some of this weird stuff that would otherwise fall through the cracks. I would love a hush puppy clone and looked forward to reading his progress but now I have to go track it down. A lot of the time when I come to ARFCOM I come to the retro section first because there's always something cool posted in here. The people tend to be friendly and discussion informative if not always strictly on topic. |
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I think the OP is complaining about the seeming arbitrariness of moving his thread. As I post this, on the first two pages there are threads about: Berthier automatic rifle a "weird clip" a 1993 A2 carbine Blackhawk down build Inconal mortar tubes Navy SEAL M37 shotgun Vietnam War relics and another retro shotgun thread I don't mind them and I understand them as I figure this forum is filled with people with similar interest, a large knowledge base and can appreciate recreating a retro piece that isn't otherwise available. I'm not sure where some of those threads would even belong but like I said I have read most of those. I enjoy learning about some of this weird stuff that would otherwise fall through the cracks. I would love a hush puppy clone and looked forward to reading his progress but now I have to go track it down. A lot of the time when I come to ARFCOM I come to the retro section first because there's always something cool posted in here. The people tend to be friendly and discussion informative if not always strictly on topic. use the "report" button at the bottom of the first post in the thread if you don't think the thread belongs here....the more people who report these threads, the quicker they will go to the appropriate forum |
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OP don't take it personally, if you post enough stuff, eventually you will have something moved to a more appropriate forum...most of us here have had a thread moved (and some people have had it happen more than once). With that being said, I too would like to see this section cleaned up a little. There are already forums specifically for shotguns, AR10's, handguns, as well as forums set up for many other makes and models. Let's use them as they were intended to be used, instead of cluttering up the retro AR section. Some of you newer guys/gals may not know this, but originally there was no AR15 retro section. It came about because of the number of threads in AR Discussion that dealt with retro models. So a sub forum was eventually created for them.Same goes for the relatively new A2 forum Perhaps each of those previously mentioned forums will also get their own retro section if enough interest is shown. However, the people running the site will never know of that interest if people post threads here (where there is the possibility it will get moved to the wrong forum by mistake) instead.of the forum they truly belong in. well, that was my 2 cents...and it's worth every nickel I agree in principal, but in practice, I rather enjoy this being more of the "Retro firearms & equipment" section than the strictly "Retro AR" section. If we made retro subsections for handguns, and shotguns, and whatever else. . . I wouldn't bother visiting those, and would never see some of the wondrous things you people come up with. I like my one stop shop. |
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OP don't take it personally, if you post enough stuff, eventually you will have something moved to a more appropriate forum...most of us here have had a thread moved (and some people have had it happen more than once). With that being said, I too would like to see this section cleaned up a little. There are already forums specifically for shotguns, AR10's, handguns, as well as forums set up for many other makes and models. Let's use them as they were intended to be used, instead of cluttering up the retro AR section. Some of you newer guys/gals may not know this, but originally there was no AR15 retro section. It came about because of the number of threads in AR Discussion that dealt with retro models. So a sub forum was eventually created for them.Same goes for the relatively new A2 forum Perhaps each of those previously mentioned forums will also get their own retro section if enough interest is shown. However, the people running the site will never know of that interest if people post threads here (where there is the possibility it will get moved to the wrong forum by mistake) instead.of the forum they truly belong in. well, that was my 2 cents...and it's worth every nickel I agree in principal, but in practice, I rather enjoy this being more of the "Retro firearms & equipment" section than the strictly "Retro AR" section. If we made retro subsections for handguns, and shotguns, and whatever else. . . I wouldn't bother visiting those, and would never see some of the wondrous things you people come up with. I like my one stop shop. +1 While it is the Retro AR Forum (doesn't say vietnam anywhere), we all share a similar interest. I'd be for renaming the retro forum to something like "Retro Firearms & Equipment". |
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I agree in principal, but in practice, I rather enjoy this being more of the "Retro firearms & equipment" section than the strictly "Retro AR" section. If we made retro subsections for handguns, and shotguns, and whatever else. . . I wouldn't bother visiting those, and would never see some of the wondrous things you people come up with. I like my one stop shop. I agree. While it could certainly get out of control, I think this crew has done a pretty good job of keeping things in line. Take the retro shotgun thread, for instance––instead of accepting a couple dozen threads from everyone with a riot gun, we started a single thread and it catches most scattergun postings. (The few that don't go there––like the recent one on a reproduction duckbill––are reasonably technical in nature and rare enough that they don't offend me.) Same thing with the retro sidearm thread. Most of us have one or more postings there, and it prevents us from flooding the forum with individual "look what I got" threads. And just like the shotgun duckbill thread, if someone wants to share a "tech" thread like discussing the reproduction of a hushpuppy, I have no problem with that. I guess my few guidelines would be to only post info of interest to those of us who collect and study VN-era ARs, and to use the existing threads (shotguns and sidearms) unless you have something technical and relatively "new" to offer. Beyond that, we should be capable of policing our own compound. Fact is, in the few years I've been here, I have learned a great deal about the 600-series of ARs. But it is very seldom anymore that someone comes up with truly NEW info on the 601 or 602 or 603, etc. So if that's all this forum were to offer, I would probably show up less and less frequently. (I only need to read "Colt never made chromed cam pins" a few times, then that info loses its appeal.) On the other hand, if the founding members want to keep this "AR15's through 1973"-only, then maybe we should request another forum here for all VN-era gear, including non-AR15 weaponry. M21s, handguns, blades, uniform items...most days, I'd probably look for interesting threads there before coming here to see if anyone has found new pics of original prototypes or whatever. Just my take on things. (ETA: I just realized the M21 wasn't named till the end of the war. Sorry. Substitute whatever we called an accurized M14 back in the day, or replace it with "M40" or whatever. You still get my point, I'm sure!) |
I think this place should just be renamed 'The Museum.'  Or alternatively, the 'Historical Forum.' Frankly I could give a rat's ass what it's called, I just love seeing the historical stuff. Face it, there's just so much you can say about a 601.
ETA: FWIW it is ironic that despite many requests by multiple members to move the BHD build thread to A2 forum, it's still here. NOT that I mind that, I don't. I just think we need to be consistent. Face it, we come here to view interesting old weapons and attendant gear/vehicles/planes that have a bearing on early Armalite stuff. I mean, everyone pretty much knows that the Johnson Automatic Rifle was the progenitor of the AR15. We are building something here - a chronology if you will. I just sometimes wish more newbies would take the time to look through the archives and read the tacked threads at the top of the page. |
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I was just thinking about this subject today. Why so much interest in Vietnam Era weapons. Well, if your my age, a lot of the movies and shows and especially war movies, were about Vietnam. I was born in 72. Some of you guys lived it. My Father's generation. WWII wasn't as popular as it is today. At least for the most part. I'm glad it's popular, as my Grandpa Died in WWII. But my Dad didn't have to go to Vietnam because he got some kind of sole survivor status. Or something like that. So he sidestepped the draft. Good, bad or indifferent.
But the fact is, the iconic M16 is burned into some of our minds. And it probably always will be. What's my point? I'm not sure, but I sure do like coming to this section of the forum. Moreso than any place else. Because of what's been stated. It's a little more relaxed about what's discussed, but somehow keeps everything on target. I love to see posts of retro pistols. So OP, please keep us updated with the project. I have lusted for a Model 39 for some time now. And thought it probably would really tickle my fancy if I had one. Two times I've come across them for sale and I never had the money to do it. Plus, I already have enough. But, maybe some day. But either way, I think this is the best forum on the whole sight. I sometimes get sick to my stomach at some of the posts in the AR Discussions. A lot of the post are great. But some of them just stink. I started to go into why, but it really doesn't matter. This is a great forum. I hope it stays that way. Retro Carbine and handgun. Sorry the rifle isn't black: 
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Let's all calm down just a little. There's an old saying: If it ain't broke, fix it until it does. The sumbitch may be bent here and there, and backfires some, and a couple of the tires need balancing, but the old gal still runs pretty good and serves the purpose. Let's don't fix her just yet. Nothing to see here, move along please. |
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i totally agree, besides the m1911a1 pistol, i can think of no other pistol more iconic to the vietnam war than the mk22 mod 0 9mm pistol!!!! when i think of nam era weapons of navy seals,this pistol along with xm177s ,stoners come to mind immediately!!! Devil's advocate. This aint the retro Viet Nam page, it aint the retro Johnson page or the retro shotgun page or the 1911a1 or the repeal the GCA. We as a community determined during inception what is a retro AR, no A2 sights or round rifle handguards. Don't take it as hating just work within the rules, post some eye candy of your xm177 and have the Browning in the pic, no problem, link to your build thread and I'm sure those that are interested will lfollow along with your project. There is sometimes way too much clutter here its bad enough with all these 6XX model guns when the only real retro ARs are brown and green and come in thirty caliber , but then we all make consessions in a community.Not the Vietnam page but its the happy birthday page? Lets all not forget that thread. The mods pick and choose what stays. Regardless what the rules are. |
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Along this same line of thinking, does the "girls with retro-guns" thread really fit here? If they have a retro AR, yeah. 
Regarding "What belongs in the retro AR forum and what does not?" I think this is a tough call for the mods, and they seem to try and keep everyone happy. So give 'em a bit of leeway and they will continue to give us a lot. |
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Let's all calm down just a little. There's an old saying: If it ain't broke, fix it until it does. The sumbitch may be bent here and there, and backfires some, and a couple of the tires need balancing, but the old gal still runs pretty good and serves the purpose. Let's don't fix her just yet. Nothing to see here, move along please. +1 Along this same line of thinking, does the "girls with retro-guns" thread really fit here?
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Folks, If someone, ANYone, has access to and expertise with CAD software, I am almost done with the drawings for the Mk 22 Mod 0 rear sight. I would REALLY like if the aforementioned person(s) can input the drawing to verify what I did is in fact correct. Working with only a dial caliper, digital or not, sucks rocks...
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Folks, If someone, ANYone, has access to and expertise with CAD software, I am almost done with the drawings for the Mk 22 Mod 0 rear sight. I would REALLY like if the aforementioned person(s) can input the drawing to verify what I did is in fact correct. Working with only a dial caliper, digital or not, sucks rocks... I only have mastercam, but i can give it a shot. I can usually draw want i need on there. |
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New drawing is done for the rear sight wings and the elevation screw: I sure hope one of y'all can verify what I did. Working on a three dimensional curvign surface with holes and such is difficult with just a dial caliper, even if it is digital...
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Folks, WONDERFUL news to report!!! Front Sight: Based on my drawing, John Thomas is making the first one shortly!!! I will be sending him my slide so he can mill away the existing front sight and make a flat to silver solder on the new front sight... Faux Suppressor: Again based on my drawing, John Thomas stated he can indeed make the faux Mk 3 Mod 0 Suppressor!!! Rear Sight Protector & Elevation Screw: Yet again based on my drawing, Arfcomer Jm0502 has been able to convert what I did to a CAD format. He is also able to convert the CAD file into a PDF file. With his PDF file, the rear sight protector is done in actual size and "on the flat," meaning it is drawn as how it would be as a flat piece of mild steel prior to being stamped. He will attempt to make one shortly, so I will let you know how that turns out... Does anyone have capabilities to do steel stamping from mild sheet steel? Inquiring mind want to know... Personally, I do suggest IF any of you are interested in a project like this to start getting funds together to buy a 39-1 or 39-2 of any rear sight style to have modified... Things are heating up indeed...  |
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Accurange, Quoted: that is outstanding news!!!!! please let us know if or when there is a group buy for these parts!!!!! i have 2 m39 slides ready for this build. please keep up the good work. the talent and skills by members here are amazing!!!!!!! Here is the first look at a 3D model of the rear sight wings:  Regarding the front sight, John Thomas is about to make the first one for me, based on my drawing of said item, as available at http://www.artisanccw.com/images/mk22mod0frontsight.pdf. He also states he can make a faux Mk 3 suppressor, again based on another of my drawings, available at http://www.artisanccw.com/images/mk3can.pdf. Another forum member did the OUTSTANDING CAD drawing seen above, and he is going to attempt to make the first one shortly. I will hold off giving a link to the PDF file for the rear sight wing for now until things can be confirmed with it... Additionally, John Thomas is looking into seeing if a local (to him) welding shop can economically provide welding services to add material for makign the needed rear sight dovetail properly... Stay tuned, folks. Better things ARE upcoming in a bit...
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TexSquirrel, et al., Quoted: Yep, some idiot started a retro UZI thread once...and for that I apologize. ...then someone else started one.  Unfortunately we seem to like old s#!t around here and off topics thread happen. Things is the Mk 22 Mod 0 has turned into a HOT project. I know of several guys thinking about it, some have asked questions about what to do with their slides, a few other topics. I think by next Christmas, there will be more than a few folks showing off some Hush Puppies along with their 629s... I think this topic is also starting to show camaraderie and a certain "esprit de corps" within this forum. In a world of Black Rifles, the retros stand out because we WANT to. Sure, showing off an SBR Mk 18 or M4gery is cool, but how many can brag they spent literally years looking for parts to complete a build. Perhaps the Bard himself foretold of the Retro forum: From this day to the ending of the world, But we in it shall be remembered- We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile, This day shall gentle his condition; And gentlemen in England now-a-bed Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day. Cheers, my brothers (and sisters)...
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Folks, When looking at some pics from a book showing the Hush Puppy broken down, I noticed a slightly "different" thing about the slide lock: it did NOT function as a bolt hold open, only as a slide lock!!! So this meant the SEAL using the Hush Puppy had to count rounds before doing a mag change. I do realize this pistol was highly specialized and as such had a different operating envelope, but I guess I did not comprehend before how S&W made things work for this iconic handgun... Learn something new every day...even after forty years...
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Why do I suspect that S&W 39 may be a popular search on gunbroker right now?
I really want one of these and am glad to see you progressing with the project. Any luck with the threaded barrel? As a suggestion, if you have to have them made I would go with a standard 1/2X28 threading so you can run a real suppressor with it if you want to. I'm not sure what the original thread pitch might have been. Maybe go all out and do the SBR thing and put the stock on it too! |
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cruciantime, I originally did the drawings with Microsoft Office Visio, which allows one to save files in PDF format. I sent jm0502 a copy of my PDF drawing for the rear sight and he worked his magic thereafter. I would ask him... The program used was mastercam, but inorder to make a flat pattern it had to be redrawn in solid works, thanks to the help of my GF. |
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Banshee, Quoted: After 1 January, I found a custom barrel maker in North Carolina by the name of Scott Aubrey, who, by stroke of luck, owns a 39-2. I do not have a cost yet, but I bet he will be fair and reasonable. Unless someone finds an older pile of 5" S&W 39 barrel. And they used to be out there too...Why do I suspect that S&W 39 may be a popular search on gunbroker right now? I really want one of these and am glad to see you progressing with the project. Any luck with the threaded barrel? As a suggestion, if you have to have them made I would go with a standard 1/2X28 threading so you can run a real suppressor with it if you want to. I'm not sure what the original thread pitch might have been. Maybe go all out and do the SBR thing and put the stock on it too! |
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