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Posted: 11/15/2012 5:12:50 PM EDT
| I,m looking at possibly doing a 651 or 652 build. When looking at the rifles on RBR, the stocks in the pics of the entire rifles look like a type D? But, when scrolling down further to look at the individual parts, the stock looks like a modern A2? CONFUSSION! What kind of stock would be proper for this build? the longer A2 with the trap-door or the shorter A1? I appreciate any "Heads Up" i can muster up. Thanks, Eric |
| Great question. I wish we had a definitive answer. I asked one similar to yours many months ago. The consensus seemed to be that the 651/652 would have come with the Type D stocks, yet the Type E with the trapdoor is clearly shown on the RBR website. I have tried to figure out the serial number range too, primarily to figure out what kind of magwell stamping it would have had. I never really go that one figured out. It is my belief that this was simply an export model, that probably had the later magwell marking and a Type D or Type E buttstock. I would not think it would have an a2 buttstock, simply because we are dealing with a known 14.5" pencil barrel. That was about as far as I got it narrowed down. Any info that can be added to this awesome, yet elusive carbine is much needed and appreciated. |
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Don't overlook that were some put together in the field ad-hoc from M16 lowers and XM177 uppers. Those would definitely have a type D. Ah, but that wouldn't be a 651/652 now would it, it would just be a 610 upper on a 603 lower. 
I think what's being asked is what the original factory configuration of the 651/2 was. By the way, does anyone have any estimated production numbers on these? And/or photos "in the wild?" I think I remember a couple photos of an allied nation that were suspected to be, but I get the distinct impression that the 651/652s were almost immediately superseded by the 653. Anyone got the exact catalog years? ~Augee |
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Great question. I wish we had a definitive answer. I asked one similar to yours many months ago. The consensus seemed to be that the 651/652 would have come with the Type D stocks, yet the Type E with the trapdoor is clearly shown on the RBR website. I have tried to figure out the serial number range too, primarily to figure out what kind of magwell stamping it would have had. I never really go that one figured out. It is my belief that this was simply an export model, that probably had the later magwell marking and a Type D or Type E buttstock. I would not think it would have an a2 buttstock, simply because we are dealing with a known 14.5" pencil barrel. That was about as far as I got it narrowed down. Any info that can be added to this awesome, yet elusive carbine is much needed and appreciated. This raises an interesting question. If it is an export model,,would it have a US Department of Defense acceptance stamp at all?? The DAS was used on weapons "accepted" by the US military. |
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This is the only photo that I have seen of this carbine "out in the wild". It has been around the block, but at least it is a picture. http://imageshack.us/a/img215/3853/model651carbine.jpg That's the one. Is there any way to confirm, you think whether that's a factory 651? I can't help but wonder if maybe it's an Elisco 603P lower with a 653P upper, much like the XM177E1/M16A1 combinations we've seen in the past. (I say Elisco only because it appears Southeast Asian, and both are known licensed versions, though IIRC, the photo is not Filipino?) ~Augee |
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Augee, that is an excellent point. The only way I know to rule in or out an Elisco lower would be the Elisco tool markings on the right side of the magwell. The photo is too dark for me to really tell, but I don't see anything that looks like markings there. Again, maybe impossible to say with the lighting of the photo.
As far as identification of the picture, it looks like a Type D buttstock. The 20 round magazine seems odd to me. The "vibe" of the uniform looks kind of 80's to me, and I would expect a 30 round magazine. That picture is consistent with the picture on the RBR website. Maybe someone here will recognize the uniform or the styleized rack numbering? |
OK, soooooo, ive loosely assembled the parts that i,ve gathered up for my "651" (Thank you very much Megaro{what a GREAT guy} for helping me out with a couple of much needed parts) Oh God i might need an intervention! Please help me out my retro brothers. Heres my dilema,,, This is a BUSHMASTER lower (it has the "Fire and Safe") and (its the wrong color) I could fill in the FIRE/SAFE and moly resin it to match the upper, or i could order a new Nodak Spud lower. If i go with ANOTHER Nodak lower; then i,ll still have this Bushmaster which will tempt me to do some kind of modernbellsandwhistlesdoohickiesthing. This AFFLICTION has got to come to an end somehow. Should i Butcher up the BUSHMASTER lower, so that i might run out of "major parts" and RETIRE?
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You will be either without a lower for your gathered parts if you sell he Bushy first, or have two lowers for a while if you get the Nodak first. Neither being a perfect retro karmic state.
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