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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Beginning the SBR process finally (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/29/2012 3:51:11 PM EDT
Well, I called Harlan and reserved an A1 lower from the next batch. Also picked up a partial fence blem for a different NFA project. I'm going to stop at a gunshop on the way home tommorrow that specializes in setting up NFA trusts. By the time I get the lower in my sweaty little hands, I should have my trust set up. Then I can get a couple Form 1 's in the mail (finally) and while I'm waiting I'll send the lowers to Ident for engraving. Hopefully by my brithday in August I'll have a couple SBR's!  I have a UPIN through the FBI, so I am hoping that speeds up the process a bit, but I kind of doubt it.  Hope springs eternal though.
ETA: Sorry for the 'social network' style post, but I am just digging finally being on track with this - I guess I just had to ask the right person about a local guy to help set up the trust...I'll finally get these carbine builds done! One will be pretty much state of the art 6933 clone, the other will be a special, weird retro project I've had in mind for some time. I just need the time to go further with it. The way work is shaping up, time is going to be the hardest thing to come up with. ETA2 - Anyone have pics of their favorite SBR's they want to share? |
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Well, I called Harlan and reserved an A1 lower from the next batch. Also picked up a partial fence blem for a different NFA project. I'm going to stop at a gunshop on the way home tommorrow that specializes in setting up NFA trusts. By the time I get the lower in my sweaty little hands, I should have my trust set up. Then I can get a couple Form 1 's in the mail (finally) and while I'm waiting I'll send the lowers to Ident for engraving. Hopefully by my brithday in August I'll have a couple SBR's! I have a UPIN through the FBI, so I am hoping that speeds up the process a bit, but I kind of doubt it. Hope springs eternal though.
ETA: Sorry for the 'social network' style post, but I am just digging finally being on track with this - I guess I just had to ask the right person about a local guy to help set up the trust...I'll finally get these carbine builds done! One will be pretty much state of the art 6933 clone, the other will be a special, weird retro project I've had in mind for some time. I just need the time to go further with it. The way work is shaping up, time is going to be the hardest thing to come up with. Good for you Morg. Glad you are getting what you want. I'm just not sure if having to open your home/DBA etc to the Feds coming by any time they want to inspect the place is worth it. I may be mistaken though. |
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Well, I called Harlan and reserved an A1 lower from the next batch. Also picked up a partial fence blem for a different NFA project. I'm going to stop at a gunshop on the way home tommorrow that specializes in setting up NFA trusts. By the time I get the lower in my sweaty little hands, I should have my trust set up. Then I can get a couple Form 1 's in the mail (finally) and while I'm waiting I'll send the lowers to Ident for engraving. Hopefully by my brithday in August I'll have a couple SBR's! I have a UPIN through the FBI, so I am hoping that speeds up the process a bit, but I kind of doubt it. Hope springs eternal though.
ETA: Sorry for the 'social network' style post, but I am just digging finally being on track with this - I guess I just had to ask the right person about a local guy to help set up the trust...I'll finally get these carbine builds done! One will be pretty much state of the art 6933 clone, the other will be a special, weird retro project I've had in mind for some time. I just need the time to go further with it. The way work is shaping up, time is going to be the hardest thing to come up with. Good for you Morg. Glad you are getting what you want. I'm just not sure if having to open your home/DBA etc to the Feds coming by any time they want to inspect the place is worth it. I may be mistaken though. 
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Well, I called Harlan and reserved an A1 lower from the next batch. Also picked up a partial fence blem for a different NFA project. I'm going to stop at a gunshop on the way home tommorrow that specializes in setting up NFA trusts. By the time I get the lower in my sweaty little hands, I should have my trust set up. Then I can get a couple Form 1 's in the mail (finally) and while I'm waiting I'll send the lowers to Ident for engraving. Hopefully by my brithday in August I'll have a couple SBR's! I have a UPIN through the FBI, so I am hoping that speeds up the process a bit, but I kind of doubt it. Hope springs eternal though.
ETA: Sorry for the 'social network' style post, but I am just digging finally being on track with this - I guess I just had to ask the right person about a local guy to help set up the trust...I'll finally get these carbine builds done! One will be pretty much state of the art 6933 clone, the other will be a special, weird retro project I've had in mind for some time. I just need the time to go further with it. The way work is shaping up, time is going to be the hardest thing to come up with. Good for you Morg. Glad you are getting what you want. I'm just not sure if having to open your home/DBA etc to the Feds coming by any time they want to inspect the place is worth it. I may be mistaken though. that is the dumdest shit i have heard on arfcomm. cant happen without a warrant or probable cause. dont spread bullshit gunshop rumors |
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1. Dumdest. Illiterate poster. All is is FAIL. Not spreading BS. Just relating what some LEO/HS agents have told me. Pretty sure a Class 3 opens up alot of things with the Feds. No, it doesn't. ETA: they can ask to see them, but they can't come into your place. Know your facts or GTFO. |
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I know with a CCW they have the right to inspect you, just like a regular FFL, and yes, they will 'be in my business' a little more. VAAR actually recommended I didn't do this, but the draw is too strong. I'm not going to get carried away with it, like some folks, and I believe you really shouldn't have to pay for LESS barrel, but WTH, it's something I've wanted to do for a few years and finally can afford. Once the money's in the mail it's painless. Going the trust route, which I had to set up anyway, so that's painless too.
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1. Dumdest. Illiterate poster. All is is FAIL. Not spreading BS. Just relating what some LEO/HS agents have told me. Pretty sure a Class 3 opens up alot of things with the Feds. No, it doesn't. Yes it does. I guess my local Leos are ignorant of the law. Too bad he is the Sherriff and the other man is the Chief of the local PD. They just happen to sign off on CCW's. My bad. |
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You don't need a "special" trust set up for NFA. Myself and my wife had Revocable Living Trust's set up for estate purposes which also cover/included a Will, health, power of attorney etc. etc. This is all you need. My RLT contains no language about NFA or any gun related stuff. I used it when I bought my suppressor.
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1. Dumdest. Illiterate poster. All is is FAIL. Not spreading BS. Just relating what some LEO/HS agents have told me. Pretty sure a Class 3 opens up alot of things with the Feds. No, it doesn't. ETA: they can ask to see them, but they can't come into your place. Know your facts or GTFO. Fuck you Fly Boy. I know what my Leo will do. If you want to fight this I will be happy to forward them to you boy. Just because your LEO buddies tell you things does not make it fact. You're on the losing end of this argument. |
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1. Dumdest. Illiterate poster. All is is FAIL. Not spreading BS. Just relating what some LEO/HS agents have told me. Pretty sure a Class 3 opens up alot of things with the Feds. No, it doesn't. ETA: they can ask to see them, but they can't come into your place. Know your facts or GTFO. Fuck you Fly Boy. I know what my Leo will do. If you want to fight this I will be happy to forward them to you boy. Just because your LEO buddies tell you things it does not make it fact. You're on the losing end of this argument. Probably so. But I do know they can make your life miserable when it comes to firearms. |
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"As to one who is neither a FFL nor SOT, but only owns weapons
regulated under the National Firearms Act, ATF may only compel you to show an agent upon request the registration paperwork, that is the Form 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or whatever else might have been used to register the weapon. See 26 U.S.C. sec. 5841(e). They do not have any right to compel you to produce the weapon. As always the Fourth amendment applies, and ATF may not enter your home or other place of storage of the NFA weapon, nor seize the weapon, without a warrant, or without falling under an exception the Supreme Court has created to the operation of the Fourth amendment, or without your consent." The above was taken from www.titleii.com |
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Thanks Morg. What is the advantage of a TRUST?, just not having to get the LEO authorization each time you want to do a build? What else are they for? At least in my state, disadvantage of a corporation include filing fees every year. Going the regular route is a pain in the ass with photos and fingerprints. I'm a LEO, and all I need to do is walk into the boss's office for his signature, but I still drew up a trust, as it is just so much easier. Depending on where you are there is a good chance the chief LEO will not sign off anyways, so you would have to go the trust or corporate route. There are also some "in-house" taxation/transfer issues that relate to trusts and corporations that are different than the individual transfers, which may be beneficial to you. Also, having an NFA firearm absolutely does not grant the government a blanket consent to enter your residence. Please visit the "Class 3" forum for more information. |
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Pretty sure a Class 3 opens up alot of things with the Feds. Protip: There is no such thing as a Class 3 firearm. The "Class 3" is a special occupation tax paid by the dealer to be allowed to deal in certain firearms classified under Title II of the amended National Firearms Act. An SBR would be properly referred to as a Title II firearm. |
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Pretty sure a Class 3 opens up alot of things with the Feds. Protip: There is no such thing as a Class 3 firearm. The "Class 3" is a special occupation tax paid by the dealer to be allowed to deal in certain firearms classified under Title II of the amended National Firearms Act. An SBR would be properly referred to as a Title II firearm. I didn't say a Class 3 firearm. You did. I just suggested that Class3 opens up alot of shit. |
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Owning an NFA weapon "opens up a bunch of shit" about the same way a carry permit does...or for that matter, the way a "My truck is protected by Smith & Wesson" bumper sticker does. If you happen to come across a local official with delusions of grandeur or a cop who really, really opposes the 2nd Amendment, then, sure, they could probably find ways to make you miserable. But that practical fact notwithstanding, payment of the NFA tax does nothing to change your Constitutional rights. It is most certainly not an invitation to come search your house at will.
Now, if you do happen to live in a location where your chief LEO hates the Constitution, that's all the more reason to use a trust. If you don't have to go beg for his signature, you're not likely to show up on his to-be-hassled list. The benefits of a trust include not needing that LEO signature or fingerprints and photos every time you buy a machine gun or build an SBR. As I understand things, it also makes it possible for multiple people to "own" the firearm...technically, the trust owns it and the members (officers?) of the trust are able to use it. Since my machine guns are owned individually (not by a trust), only I can "possess" them. If my adult son wants to go do mag dumps, I have to go with him (eta: even that may be a violation...I'll need to research it). Also, if one member of the trust kicks the bucket, it doesn't affect the rights and ownership of others in the trust. If I had done a bit more research before my first stamp, I probably would have gone the trust route. |
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Pretty sure a Class 3 opens up alot of things with the Feds. Protip: There is no such thing as a Class 3 firearm. The "Class 3" is a special occupation tax paid by the dealer to be allowed to deal in certain firearms classified under Title II of the amended National Firearms Act. An SBR would be properly referred to as a Title II firearm. I didn't say a Class 3 firearm. You did. I just suggested that Class3 opens up alot of shit. I don't know if you are aware but on this particular forum we don't play this way, arguing, calling names and such, we debate things like gentlemen and we pride ourselves on doing it that way. There are a number of us that own SBR'd rifles and most of us have gone over the rules closely. If you want to argue please go to another forum and do it, if you want to make your point in a civil manner, please carry on. Back to the OP, I will post yet another picture of my 607 clone. I did mine on a Revocable Living Trust and a fellow member here helped me a bunch in getting the paperwork done. 
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One nice thing about living in a small town for 54 years is that you get to know the local law enforcement pretty well. Our Sherrif is a gun collector and has over 150 vintage Winchesters and is a very nice fellow. I asked him not too long ago if he would sign the form for a tax stamp for a select fire rifle for me and he gave me a funny look for a few seconds and said "why wouldn't I?".
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Pretty sure a Class 3 opens up alot of things with the Feds. Protip: There is no such thing as a Class 3 firearm. The "Class 3" is a special occupation tax paid by the dealer to be allowed to deal in certain firearms classified under Title II of the amended National Firearms Act. An SBR would be properly referred to as a Title II firearm. I didn't say a Class 3 firearm. You did. I just suggested that Class3 opens up alot of shit. I don't know if you are aware but on this particular forum we don't play this way, arguing, calling names and such, we debate things like gentlemen and we pride ourselves on doing it that way. There are a number of us that own SBR'd rifles and most of us have gone over the rules closely. If you want to argue please go to another forum and do it, if you want to make your point in a civil manner, please carry on. Back to the OP, I will post yet another picture of my 607 clone. I did mine on a Revocable Living Trust and a fellow member here helped me a bunch in getting the paperwork done. http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g236/Gutss/001-63.jpg Yeah. Sorry. I buried a friend today and am a little cranky. I also wouldn't have reported me to an admin for my rant. I guess other people feel differently. Again I apologize for offending people on this board. I have learned alot from most of you and for this I am thankful. |
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I did a trust for my sbr and suppressor, and it was a breeze.
I'm going to have braceman make me some recievers that I'll sbr and add to the trust , no fingerprints or photos. And if something should happen to me my wife and son don't have through any bs. Nobody is talking about the real problem,,,,,,,, the 5 month wait!!! I was told that the old timers at justice have retired and they aren't interested In filling the vacant seats. But the IRS is hiring! |
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1. Dumdest. Illiterate poster. All is is FAIL. Not spreading BS. Just relating what some LEO/HS agents have told me. Pretty sure a Class 3 opens up alot of things with the Feds. No, it doesn't. ETA: they can ask to see them, but they can't come into your place. Know your facts or GTFO. Fuck you Fly Boy. I know what my Leo will do. If you want to fight this I will be happy to forward them to you boy. Just because your LEO buddies tell you things it does not make it fact. You're on the losing end of this argument. Probably so. But I do know they can make your life miserable when it comes to firearms. If you have a trust your local LEO will have no idea what you have, and will have no motivation to make your life miserable. 
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My relationship with the local Sheriff's office is unchanged from before I started collecting stamps.
Cordial and distant. In addition to the CLEO refusing to sign NFA forms, the trust allows my wife (cotrustee) unfettered access to the gunsafe. The trust also provides a vehicle to dispose of them should my wife and I bite it and our son survive. He's legally incompetent to manage his own affairs, so he can't own the guns. I am not sure where the story about ATF being able to come inspect your house comes from. I suspect that it's some state law that the grape vine has changed to ATF over the years. I have non-gun friends who keep asking me about registration and I keep telling them that Florida doesn't have any of that. Morg: Arizona's CCW permit comes with inspections of your house? Did I read that right? EDIT: Forgot the pics as requested! 
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1. Dumdest. Illiterate poster. All is is FAIL. Not spreading BS. Just relating what some LEO/HS agents have told me. Pretty sure a Class 3 opens up alot of things with the Feds. No, it doesn't. ETA: they can ask to see them, but they can't come into your place. Know your facts or GTFO. Fuck you Fly Boy. I know what my Leo will do. If you want to fight this I will be happy to forward them to you boy. Just because your LEO buddies tell you things it does not make it fact. You're on the losing end of this argument. Probably so. But I do know they can make your life miserable when it comes to firearms. If you have a trust your local LEO will have no idea what you have, and will have no motivation to make your life miserable. I believe there was some talk about doing away with the entire sign off requirement and instead going to a local LEO notification process. Anybody have anything to add or am I thinking about something else? |
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I believe there was some talk about doing away with the entire sign off requirement and instead going to a local LEO notification process. Anybody have anything to add or am I thinking about something else? I haven't heard anything, but I think that may work - like getting a C&R... |
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Wow. Did I say CCW? I was tired. I meant a CCR (?) (Still tired)coolector's license for people who are into Mosins, Mausers, etc. NOT a cocealed carry permit, which is actually not required here to carry concealed.
I decided to go the trust route because I'm 50, and beginning to consider my own mortality seriously. I have a small cabin in a beautiful part of the state which once paid off will be deeded to the trust. A living trust makes a LOT of things easier for survivors, and since I don't have kids, Olgunner's kids (my Godchildren) and my sister's and brother's kids will be handling things - I want to leave that place to ALL of them, to use as they see fit. These SBR's as well as some survival supplies will be in the equation, making it more than just a vacation getaway. It's little enough to leave behind, and as long as their names are added to the trust properly, it should work out. I really hope to make some money as a writer before I die, which will also sit in this trust, not only to maintain the property, but to benefit those kids I love so much, but rarely see. What I find disturbing about some of the responses in this thread are that they sound like they are straight out of GD, and I'm not talking about Hntrman - this forum is a friendly place where people come to CLEAR UP misinformation, not to judge others by things they've been told. If you want to play nice here, you are welcome, if you are cranky occasionally, that's one thing, but name-calling or similiar kind of attitude is not well-received here. Let's keep it friendly okay? NFA stuff is confusing to most of us, which is why I'm going to pay to have someone here in PHX to guide me through it. If the kind of trust they offer isn't the right one, I'll have to find some other legal advice. Anyway, thanks for all the responses and all the great pics - I can't wait! |
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Let's keep it friendly okay? Well said. Like the guy said in The Godfather, "After all, we are not Communists." Perhaps the folks who got a bit wrapped around the axle might consider going back and editing their posts to make them a little more....uh....kinder and gentler, so to speak. Or not. But we have a fine culture of civility here in Retroville, with certain high standards to maintain. Thus endeth my Rodney King moment for the day. |
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Gordog, I like your SBR and have considered a similar build. I did not see the SBR number on the NoDak lower. So, my question to Gordog and others is where are you having the SBR engraved? Can it be done under the fire control pocket by the trigger? I have read that you are supposed to have sbr engraving, but three local Dealers told me its not needed. So I didnt do mine, and won't do future projects. The only imfo I had to list was maker,caliber, manufacturer, .and lengh of weapon. All the imfo that is already on the receiver. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Gordog, I like your SBR and have considered a similar build. I did not see the SBR number on the NoDak lower. So, my question to Gordog and others is where are you having the SBR engraved? Can it be done under the fire control pocket by the trigger? I have read that you are supposed to have sbr engraving, but three local Dealers told me its not needed. So I didnt do mine, and won't do future projects. The only imfo I had to list was maker,caliber, manufacturer, .and lengh of weapon. All the imfo that is already on the receiver. This thread caught my attention because of a lot of information that could cause people headaches. Engraving is required for all firearms made after January of 2002. If you Form 1 something you are the maker. The Class 3 forum un der the armory section here is a wealth of information as far as all that sort of stuff goes, just as this particular forum is a wealth of retro infromation.
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Here are my favorite SBR's two of which are in a Revocable Living Trust...
Engraving done by Ident Markings http://www.identmarking.com/ 
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I am not sure where the story about ATF being able to come inspect your house comes from. I suspect that it's some state law that the grape vine has changed to ATF over the years. I have non-gun friends who keep asking me about registration and I keep telling them that Florida doesn't have any of that. I believe it comes from the fact that if hold a Class 03 FFL, the ATF can inspect to ensure that you are in compliance - just like any other FFL. Make sure you're correctly securing the weapons, ect. Given that most people still believe that you need a "Class III license" to own NFA weapons, it makes sense that someone could make the mistake of thinking that this applied to your home as well. The big point to understand is - a Class 03 FFL is not needed to own NFA weapons, and NFA items are not "Class III weapons," they're Title 2. The confusion comes from the fact that you need to go to at least a Class 03 FFL if you want to get Title 2 items transferred to you. I think I'm going to start telling people I'm going to "the Class I" whenever I go to a local gun shop without an 03 or 02.
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Here are my favorite SBR's two of which are in a Revocable Living Trust... Engraving done by Ident Markings http://www.identmarking.com/ http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii438/North_Dallas01/DSCF0278-1.jpg Impressive trio! |
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Thanks Morg. What is the advantage of a TRUST?, just not having to get the LEO authorization each time you want to do a build? What else are they for? At least in my state, disadvantage of a corporation include filing fees every year. Going the regular route is a pain in the ass with photos and fingerprints. I'm a LEO, and all I need to do is walk into the boss's office for his signature, but I still drew up a trust, as it is just so much easier. Depending on where you are there is a good chance the chief LEO will not sign off anyways, so you would have to go the trust or corporate route. There are also some "in-house" taxation/transfer issues that relate to trusts and corporations that are different than the individual transfers, which may be beneficial to you. Also, having an NFA firearm absolutely does not grant the government a blanket consent to enter your residence. Please visit the "Class 3" forum for more information. Beautiful thing about Tennessee. They have to sign within 12 business days if your an upstanding citizen (i.e. no felony, etc...). |
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Here are my favorite SBR's two of which are in a Revocable Living Trust... Engraving done by Ident Markings http://www.identmarking.com/ http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii438/North_Dallas01/DSCF0278-1.jpg my god, those are beautiful the last two are pure sexy. |
| Megaro, Thanks for the comps. My SBR info is on the front of the Mag well. Most people that inspect the weapon never even notice it. When i filled out the forms for the ATF, i did have to list all markings on the lower AS WELL AS THE REQUIRED SBR info. I have already had a C&R license (for at least 22yrs) I was contacted once by telephone that the ATF was gonna come do an INVENTORY. I assured them that my paperwork was "Squared Away". They never did show up. (that was 7yrs ago) |
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Here are my favorite SBR's two of which are in a Revocable Living Trust... Engraving done by Ident Markings http://www.identmarking.com/ http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii438/North_Dallas01/DSCF0278-1.jpg Dayum thats awesome. |
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I believe there was some talk about doing away with the entire sign off requirement and instead going to a local LEO notification process. Anybody have anything to add or am I thinking about something else? I haven't heard anything, but I think that may work - like getting a C&R... Too tired to find the reference right now, but yes, the CLEO sign-off is going away and the new rule will simply require you to mail him a form of notification (he'll still know you have an NFA item, but at least you won't have to ask him for permission). As I understand it, that was a done deal sometime last year but when I asked my C3 dealer when the change takes effect, he said, "When they've used up all the old forms." I guess we wouldn't want the government to be wasteful, would we? The change came after the Heller and McDonald cases. Someone in the administration realized that there's a legal risk in allowing a CLEO with a bug up his ass to arbitrarily decide whether or not he would grant people their Constitutional rights. Since there was no "remedy" in the prior rules (if your CLEO refuses to sign, you can't force him), that's a legally unsupportable position and another Supreme Court case just waiting to happen. On top of that, the ATF knows a lot of people do use trusts and, frankly, they don't like that idea. It makes it harder for them to control who has access to the NFA items and, since there's no CLEO signature for the trust transfer, the CLEO never knows what you have. They figure if they make it easier to do an individual transfer, more people will do that instead of opting for the trust. It'll be a nice change if it helps me avoid an extra drive to town to get the signature, but I've been fortunate. My CLEO always seems more interested in what I'm buying as a fellow gun-nut than as a government official. |
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Huh, well I am kinda an avid class 3 enthusiast and previously held a class 2 lisence for 7 years. Having an FFL opens up your desinated place of business ( home, workshop or retail establishment) to FFL inspection any time they please. Normally they are very polite and even schedule a time with you to check your records and inventory.
Simply owning privately a class 3 item does NOT open you up to the same scrutiny. You are supposed to have your registration form with the weapon. But ATF at most, will come to your door, ask if you have the weapon they are seeking and you answer yes or no and unless they obtain a search warrant they will just go away. I am not an attourney and what I have said is just what I have heard from many other C3 owners and lisencees. If your serious about class 3, you would be wise to check out Subguns.com. Lots of hard core 'users' and dealers there. Sturmgever is even bigger, but has more static from it's owner and other uninformed users. |
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Gordog, I like your SBR and have considered a similar build. I did not see the SBR number on the NoDak lower. So, my question to Gordog and others is where are you having the SBR engraved? Can it be done under the fire control pocket by the trigger? I have read that you are supposed to have sbr engraving, but three local Dealers told me its not needed. So I didnt do mine, and won't do future projects. The only imfo I had to list was maker,caliber, manufacturer, .and lengh of weapon. All the imfo that is already on the receiver. The way I understand it from the 'Form 1' thread over in the Class III section, If you buy a manufactured SBR or SBS, like a Serbu or Colt 6933, then no engraving is required. If YOU are the 'manufacturer' then it must be engraved - however you do not have to report what is being engraved to the BATF at the time of the form 1, it's just understood that you will engrave it - once you have the stamp. I guess if you didn't then you'd be in violation. I'd look into this further if I were you. |
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Well here's pics of my SBR. Not retro but built on a NoDak receiver....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/Engineer23/001-2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/Engineer23/002-5.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/Engineer23/005-1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/Engineer23/004-2.jpg VERY nice, as are all the other SBR's shown here. Like I said, one modern, one retro is the plan. Probably have 2 uppers for at least one of them. Hell, it'll save me having to pin 14.5" barrels too...I would like an E1 upper for one of them. |
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"As to one who is neither a FFL nor SOT, but only owns weapons regulated under the National Firearms Act, ATF may only compel you to show an agent upon request the registration paperwork, that is the Form 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or whatever else might have been used to register the weapon. See 26 U.S.C. sec. 5841(e). They do not have any right to compel you to produce the weapon. As always the Fourth amendment applies, and ATF may not enter your home or other place of storage of the NFA weapon, nor seize the weapon, without a warrant, or without falling under an exception the Supreme Court has created to the operation of the Fourth amendment, or without your consent." The above was taken from www.titleii.com Thanks for posting that. I deal with this BS in my store almost daily. Ignorant people spreading ignorant statements almost always supported with "my buddy is a cop so he would know". |
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