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9/5/2011 11:18:28 PM EDT
So here in retroland, there seems to be wideheld belief that there are only 2 a1 style grips, the skinny and the fat.  I believe there is a third that shouldn't be all that rare but has enough differences to warrant a third variation which I call the Skinny Bottom.

I have taken measurements at 3 places.  The top of the checkering, the middle of the checkering, and the skinniest point at the bottom of the grip.  From grip to grip there may be a .02" difference but here's what I have measured.

Here's a group pic

Fat Black, Fat Mottled, Skinny Bottom Black, Skinny Bottom Mottled, Skinny Black, Skinny Mottled, Skinny Brown (601)





Fat
top - 1.15"
middle - 1.26"
bottom - 1.26"





Skinny Bottom
top - 1.13"
middle - 1.25"
bottom - 1.14"





Skinny
top - 1.06"
middle - 1.14"
bottom - 1.14"





What say the retro hive?  FWIW, my really early SP1s have black skinny and later ones have black skinny bottom.  I don't think I've seen a SP1 w/ mottled furniture.
9/6/2011 5:17:15 AM EDT
[#1]
excellent write up

I too have noticed skinny bottom grips...but had just attributed it to contractor variances/wear of the particular grips in question. Now I'll have to dig them out and add them to the grip collection box.

9/6/2011 5:51:58 AM EDT
[#2]
All of mine are like that to some extent. I don't have any truly "fat" grips. I'll dig them all out later and take a picture.
9/6/2011 7:24:11 AM EDT
[#3]
I've got about a dozen + grips and this fatty is the biggest one.  It's narrow at the bottom as you describe.
I always thought it was an oddball.

9/6/2011 7:38:20 AM EDT
[#4]
Most later grips are "skinny bottom grips". If I were to ask anyone with knowledge here "what is a skinny grip?", what would you tell me?

I am not doubting there is a different variation of fat grips, cause they are pictured here & I have owned them before. They could be from a different mold or manufacturer, but there is only one skinny grip unless you put the 601 grip in a different category.
9/6/2011 7:46:36 AM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Most later grips are "skinny bottom grips". If I were to ask anyone with knowledge here "what is a skinny grip?", what would you tell me?

I am not doubting there is a different variation of fat grips, cause they are pictured here & I have owned them before. They could be from a different mold or manufacturer, but there is only one skinny grip unless you put the 601 grip in a different category.



the mottled skinny at the bottom one has a C mark on the inside so it is Colt.  no one is debating what a skinny grip is, just adding that there is more than just skinny and fat.  there is a dimensional and visual difference btw the fat and skinny at the bottom even though they have the same dimensions throughout most of the grip.

with as much research and documentation that goes on here, we've documented things with less differences as variants like a type C stock being thinner at the top.

i don't think i have a representative sample size.  what do to rest of you find as the most common?  i always had more fat grips than anything, then the skinny at the bottom, then the thin with the 601 being the most rare.
9/6/2011 8:19:23 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Most later grips are "skinny bottom grips". If I were to ask anyone with knowledge here "what is a skinny grip?", what would you tell me?

I am not doubting there is a different variation of fat grips, cause they are pictured here & I have owned them before. They could be from a different mold or manufacturer, but there is only one skinny grip unless you put the 601 grip in a different category.



the mottled skinny at the bottom one has a C mark on the inside so it is Colt.  no one is debating what a skinny grip is, just adding that there is more than just skinny and fat.  there is a dimensional and visual difference btw the fat and skinny at the bottom even though they have the same dimensions throughout most of the grip.

with as much research and documentation that goes on here, we've documented things with less differences as variants like a type C stock being thinner at the top.

i don't think i have a representative sample size.  what do to rest of you find as the most common?  i always had more fat grips than anything, then the skinny at the bottom, then the thin with the 601 being the most rare.


If it is skinny on the bottom what does that make the middle? That's right fat.

Then I have to ask why you are selling fat grips as skinny grips if you know what a skinny grip is?
9/6/2011 8:34:30 AM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Most later grips are "skinny bottom grips". If I were to ask anyone with knowledge here "what is a skinny grip?", what would you tell me?

I am not doubting there is a different variation of fat grips, cause they are pictured here & I have owned them before. They could be from a different mold or manufacturer, but there is only one skinny grip unless you put the 601 grip in a different category.



the mottled skinny at the bottom one has a C mark on the inside so it is Colt.  no one is debating what a skinny grip is, just adding that there is more than just skinny and fat.  there is a dimensional and visual difference btw the fat and skinny at the bottom even though they have the same dimensions throughout most of the grip.

with as much research and documentation that goes on here, we've documented things with less differences as variants like a type C stock being thinner at the top.

i don't think i have a representative sample size.  what do to rest of you find as the most common?  i always had more fat grips than anything, then the skinny at the bottom, then the thin with the 601 being the most rare.


If it is skinny on the bottom what does that make the middle? That's right fat.

Then I have to ask why you are selling fat grips as skinny grips if you know what a skinny grip is?


i guess we'll agree to disagree.  i think there are 3 kinds, you think they are just skinny or fat.

my EE ad states "These differ from the 601 skinny grip as it's not skinny the entire way. They are skinny at the bottom. There's still ongoing research but these may be a transition style grip btw. the 601 and the fat ones. "  i updated the title to Skinny Bottomed Transitional A1 Pistol Grips to clear up any confusion for anyone else.
9/6/2011 8:35:05 AM EDT
[#8]
Great post, I'll caliper mine later.

Hal that's some nice grips there, love the jumbo one.
9/6/2011 10:06:40 AM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Most later grips are "skinny bottom grips". If I were to ask anyone with knowledge here "what is a skinny grip?", what would you tell me?

I am not doubting there is a different variation of fat grips, cause they are pictured here & I have owned them before. They could be from a different mold or manufacturer, but there is only one skinny grip unless you put the 601 grip in a different category.



the mottled skinny at the bottom one has a C mark on the inside so it is Colt.  no one is debating what a skinny grip is, just adding that there is more than just skinny and fat.  there is a dimensional and visual difference btw the fat and skinny at the bottom even though they have the same dimensions throughout most of the grip.

with as much research and documentation that goes on here, we've documented things with less differences as variants like a type C stock being thinner at the top.

i don't think i have a representative sample size.  what do to rest of you find as the most common?  i always had more fat grips than anything, then the skinny at the bottom, then the thin with the 601 being the most rare.


If it is skinny on the bottom what does that make the middle? That's right fat.

Then I have to ask why you are selling fat grips as skinny grips if you know what a skinny grip is?


i guess we'll agree to disagree.  i think there are 3 kinds, you think they are just skinny or fat.

my EE ad states "These differ from the 601 skinny grip as it's not skinny the entire way. They are skinny at the bottom. There's still ongoing research but these may be a transition style grip btw. the 601 and the fat ones. "  i updated the title to Skinny Bottomed Transitional A1 Pistol Grips to clear up any confusion for anyone else.


That is were you are wrong, reread my first post here:
Quoted:
Most later grips are "skinny bottom grips". If I were to ask anyone with knowledge here "what is a skinny grip?", what would you tell me?

I am not doubting there is a different variation of fat grips, cause they are pictured here & I have owned them before. They could be from a different mold or manufacturer, but there is only one skinny grip unless you put the 601 grip in a different category.


I clearly stated that I am not doubting the there is a difference of fat grips, there is only one skinny grip.

Your GB ad states they are 602 grips, which they are not. I wonder how many of those you have sold to people other than me, & after they get them they are disappointed they are not 602 grips.

ETA: If it is not skinny all the way down it is a fat grip. You are trying to change history with your "skinny on the bottom" 602 grip, & I am not saying you are doing intentionally. That is all I am going say from here on out.
9/6/2011 10:07:32 AM EDT
[#10]
I see 7 rifles in the works, boywonder. Including, but not limited to, a 601.
9/6/2011 12:31:24 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
I see 7 rifles in the works, boywonder. Including, but not limited to, a 601.


at this point, it's so much cheaper to keep them as parts

the 601 grip will go on my 601 once i striped the stock and grip to match the handguards.  the 602 grip will go on my 602 when i luck into a receiver.
9/6/2011 4:24:04 PM EDT
[#12]
Are A2 grips Retro grips yet?

Really, I thought all the differences save the 3 distinct widths were wear issues.
9/6/2011 4:49:56 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
Are A2 grips Retro grips yet?

Really, I thought all the differences save the 3 distinct widths were wear issues.


yeah i get differences of .02" when i measure and it could just be different spots i'm measuring or wear.
9/7/2011 9:18:57 AM EDT
[#14]
So do we have a confirmation yet on if there is 2 or 3 styles of grips yet?  this is super important information. lol
9/7/2011 7:52:13 PM EDT
[#15]
Oh great!!  Now I gotta pull out all my grips and spend hours sweating over them with calipers.

Enough!!  Please help me stop!!

Oh - wait - you got them listed on GB?  I'll go check right now.
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