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Posted: 10/18/2009 9:30:56 PM EDT
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For some reason I've got a strange urge to drill a hole in one of my right hand guard halves so I can use some classic green duct tape to do one of those Nam style cleaning-rod-on-rifle things I've seen some period photos of.
But I need two things for a reference: 1) Some photos of the right half hand guards with holes so I can see where to drill mine and 2) A few helpful pointers on where to get the right shade of green duct tape. Also, should the rod wind up going between the heat shield and hand guard, or between the heat shield and barrel? Thanks guys! |
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I think it would just be a matter of marking the hole near the side of the lower. Not that difficult IMO.
Could not tell you about the duck tape. I would imagine between the heat shield & the barrel. There is not much room between the heat shield & the HG shell. |
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Get some 100mph tape.
I thought cleaning rods were just taped on the outside. Never knew about drilling holes. There's a great thread over at Military Photos about MACV-SOG. LRRPs, etc. It might be worth checking out. |
Send an email to member PrivateSnafu,,he did one and posted pics this past summer.I plan to do the same thing BUT,i'm NOT gonna use the duct tape as that leaves heavy glue residue.I'm gonna cut a section of bicycle tire rubber tube and wrap that around the stock.I figgure bikes were very PLENTIFUL in Nam so it could have been done.Also if you use the tape it makes it a pain to remove the rod if you need it to clean.From the pic posted by Private it definately looks like the rod slides in in between the heat shield and barrel not between the HG and heatshield.PrivateSnafu did a reply to crackedcornish's post about the midlength HGs,don't waste your time with IM,he rarely looks at them go directly to the email for contact..I'f you can't find him,email me and I'll send you his direct email addy.I don't like to post that kind of info without his other persons permission.Good luck. ETA Private did his because he actually received a HG set and the right one already had the hole,,he admitted going alittle nuts trying to figgure out why the hole was there untill he saw a pic in the "real deal" section above the retro forum..
ETA@ jtb,,there are a bunch of pics in the "real deal" of the rods taped just to the outside like you mentioned,,but most of those are carbines,,but probably also done to rifles as well.. 
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OK, interesting! I found a few photos showing the hand guard trick done. I'll wait till I've got the cleaning rod here before I start drilling on anything, but I think I just might have to try this one.
I also like the inner tube idea. I seem to recall inner tube foliage helmet bands being 'OMFG' popular with Wehrmacht troops during WW2, and then so 'OMFG' popular with US troops after that period that we developed and introduced factory made versions. So it must be a universally plentiful material. |
Even though this is a carbine with fixed stock and not a rifle, it looks like he used rubber bands to hold the cleaning rod to the stock. I think that's the way to go. They also used green electrical tape (bright green - hard to find sometimes but still around) to camo the stocks and Hgs and to tape the cleaning rod on. Seems in such a hot, humid environment the tape residue would get really gummy and sticky, but I guess they used what they had. If the powers that be had let them, I'm guessing you would have seen more spray-painted weapons like you do today. I kind of like the glued on tiger stripe look myself.
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Now if had come like that... It's definitely the cleanest and smartest way to do it.
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Even though this is a carbine with fixed stock and not a rifle, it looks like he used rubber bands to hold the cleaning rod to the stock. I think that's the way to go. They also used green electrical tape (bright green - hard to find sometimes but still around) to camo the stocks and Hgs and to tape the cleaning rod on. Seems in such a hot, humid environment the tape residue would get really gummy and sticky, but I guess they used what they had. If the powers that be had let them, I'm guessing you would have seen more spray-painted weapons like you do today. I kind of like the glued on tiger stripe look myself.
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h92/Morg308/wwwwsog.jpg Anybody else notice something different about this guys uniform??? 2 pics above. |
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Even though this is a carbine with fixed stock and not a rifle, it looks like he used rubber bands to hold the cleaning rod to the stock. I think that's the way to go. They also used green electrical tape (bright green - hard to find sometimes but still around) to camo the stocks and Hgs and to tape the cleaning rod on. Seems in such a hot, humid environment the tape residue would get really gummy and sticky, but I guess they used what they had. If the powers that be had let them, I'm guessing you would have seen more spray-painted weapons like you do today. I kind of like the glued on tiger stripe look myself.
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h92/Morg308/wwwwsog.jpg Anybody else notice something different about this guys uniform??? 2 pics above. The lower pockets were moved up onto the upper arms, and they are OD fatigues sparypainted (camo'd) with black paint - both common with SOG guys. The painting uniforms thing actually started with Airborne guys in WWII. It's very effective, and someday I want to work up a set like that myself. |
They also dyed their fatigues completely black, like Charlie, and used enemy weapons, my favorite of which is a chopped RPD. Someday soon before they dissappear I want to buy a semi version and cut the barrel like this - it will then be NY state legal! HAH!
A pic of black dyed fatigues: 
And a SOG impression of the aforementioned spraypainted fatigues - photo was shamelessly stolen off ebay - the guy was selling reproduction fatigue sets in various colors/patterns - need to see if he's still doing it. 
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Look at the pic crackedcornish posted, line up the cleaning rod, mark the spot, and drill that hole. Dremel makes it a lot easier. The old G.I. tape had a strange, funky blueish tint. We had a couple rolls left when I was in, but they only let us use the newer O.D. on our gear to be "uniform". You might come across a roll. Black electric tape has been around a long while, too.
Okay Morg, What book is that? I think I have all of Plaster's books, I don't recognize those pics.
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lol.... Did anybody notice the Izzy sling on the weapon in that last photo Morg posted? Not an IZZY sling,It's just a US GP (general purpose) commonly called the mussette bag strap.They would cut the metal buckles off and then use OD 550 para cord to make a loop on one end,attach that to the ftont site base,then tie the other end around the buttstock.. Member DocMike has a nice tutorial on how he did his.Hopefully he will chime in and repost. |
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Positive..Go thru the real deal pics above the retro and scroll for pics..It was very common.I have one done here for my dummy XM177.GP straps were used for everything so they were readily available.For the front,they would put the paracord thru the loop that the metal buckle was in,and tie a knot,or what DocMike did was overlap the 2 ends and used thraed and bound the 2 ends together.Then you take the new made loop put it thru the FSB then pull the entire GP strap back thru it and tied the other end to the stock..
ETA I'll send ya a pic later tonight when I get home.
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You got it! I would love to know how that info got to the Israelis - likely an advisor. They definitely improved on the idea however. I'm going to sling my 604 Israeli-style as a matter of fact. I bought two M60 barrel holders awhile back because they were $10 each - the nice one will be the case for my SBR'd RO635 build, but the 2nd one I got was pretty ratty...then I noticed it had a GP strap on it - perfect for the 649 build! Sometimes it's the little things that make you happy.
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Ahh, I looked it up. It appears that my original statement is ironically totally wrong... The Izzy sling, is, in fact, the bastard child of the GP strap. Ironically about 6 months ago when DocMike posted his clever way of lashing the 2 ends of the front loop,,I had about a dozen 1950's dated GP slings all NOS..Put them on pay forward,,well aaaaa needless to say they did'nt last long after guys saw Docs post. 
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| I'll dig around as I'm putting stuff on ebay,if I come across any straps I'll get back to ya,,if I don't My very closest friends in the world own a good OLD fashion army navy store..That's where I got the 1st lot of them..They are hosting a militaria show this weekend so I'll see them there,. |
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It's easy peasy, lemon squeazy. LOL
5th SFG SOG link Some cool pics, good pic of rifle grenade adapters with willie petes on the ends of M16's |
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