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6/23/2008 2:15:43 PM EDT
Well I finally got my XM177 upper put together and took it out to the range today. However it would not cycle. I tried it on three different lowers, checked gas rings, gas tube. I'm using a Bushmaster 10 inch heavy barrel that came as an assembled upper half.

Any suggestions
6/23/2008 2:26:54 PM EDT
[#1]
Bolt/carrier doesn't move at all??? Or doesn't move back far enough???
6/23/2008 7:37:17 PM EDT
[#2]
It doesn't move at all. I had to work charging handle after every shot.
6/23/2008 7:55:54 PM EDT
[#3]
Check the key screws for tightness. If that isn't it, consider cleaning the bolt carrier up a bit. Is this a new or used carrier? How about the barrel and gas tube? New or used?
6/23/2008 7:59:29 PM EDT
[#4]
It's a used carrier. I was told that the barrel was new when I bought it off EE. It was supposed to be a factory Bushmaster upper.
6/23/2008 8:59:13 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
It's a used carrier. I was told that the barrel was new when I bought it off EE. It was supposed to be a factory Bushmaster upper.


Did you put the upper together?  I ask because I'm not familiar with Bushamster making 10" barrels, but I'm not an expert.

Is the FSB on correctly?  Gas tube?  Can you post pics?  The complete lack of cycling makes me think that there's something preventing the gas from reaching the bolt carrier.
6/23/2008 9:03:56 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
The complete lack of cycling makes me think that there's something preventing the gas from reaching the bolt carrier.


That's what I was thinking...
6/24/2008 3:47:54 AM EDT
[#7]
Hand cycle the bolt group slowly and watch where the key mates with the tube.

Make sure there's no binding or funny business going on.

You could also plug the chamber end and use an air compressor to test the tube.

Hal
6/24/2008 6:10:42 AM EDT
[#8]
Not to be condiscending, but there is a gas tube installed, right? No splits, crimps, or kinks in it?


Even with a  tremendous amount of gas leakage you should still get *some* bolt movement and unlocking, enough to knock the port door open.
6/24/2008 7:47:06 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
It's a used carrier. I was told that the barrel was new when I bought it off EE. It was supposed to be a factory Bushmaster upper.


Did you put the upper together?  I ask because I'm not familiar with Bushamster making 10" barrels, but I'm not an expert.

Is the FSB on correctly?  Gas tube?  Can you post pics?  The complete lack of cycling makes me think that there's something preventing the gas from reaching the bolt carrier.


I never saw a 10" Bushmaster barrel either. Could be a 16" that was cut down without enlarging the gas port. If so, at 10" it would not have enough gas to cycle. Also check to see if the person who assembled it put the gas tube in upside down. He would have had to do some bending to get it to fit, but it has happened before.
6/24/2008 8:43:33 AM EDT
[#10]
FWIW, check to make sure that the gas tube retaining pin is present in the front sight base.  If it's missing, the gas tube can move just enough to reduce or completly block the gas flow.  

I only say this because over the last couple of years I have come across two rifles that were experiencing a failure to cycle and I found they were missing the gas tube retaining pin.
6/24/2008 8:47:00 AM EDT
[#11]
It's not a cut down 16, maybe 11.5 though, not sure. It is marked under the handguard instead of in front of FSB like other 16 inch Bushmasters i've seen. I did change the barrel from the C7 upper it came assembled with to an A1. I double checked the gas tube, it is installed properly. Also no binding that I can tell. I think it might be getting ready for a trip to ADCO or 45Bravo.
6/24/2008 9:16:29 AM EDT
[#12]
Gas tube upside down

6/24/2008 9:18:15 AM EDT
[#13]
Negative... Double checked and triple checked the gas tube.
6/24/2008 9:25:29 AM EDT
[#14]
do you have another lower or carrier you can try. It seems like a gas problem ..... I have seen blocked gas keys (push a thin copper wire or pipe cleaner through it to check) and misaligned front sights cut the gas system off.





picture just because
6/24/2008 9:26:24 AM EDT
[#15]
Tube could be clogged or carbon fouled.  I'd swap out the tube with a new one before a trip to the smith.  Good luck, hope ya get her running.

Hal
6/24/2008 10:32:39 AM EDT
[#16]
I found this list while looking for something unrelated to your pronlem.


Bolt fails to cycle properly
- Make sure screws on clamp type gas block are tight
- Make sure gas tube is not binding on bolt
- Make sure gas tube retaining pin is in place
- Make sure gas tube is not damaged (cracked, bent, etc.)
- Check ammo. Cheap factory ammo is often the culprit. Feed it the good stuff during test
- There may be a leak around the gas block. This may correct itself with repeated firing due to carbon sealing up the leaks. But check the above first.
Check for carbon fouling  around FSB

6/24/2008 11:03:25 AM EDT
[#17]
I arreciate everyones help. I'm going to replace the gas tube and see if that helps.
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