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2/11/2008 1:50:36 PM EDT
Help! I recently got a front capture pin off the EE, for my XM16E1 build (counterbored receiver) but it seems to be missing parts. Don't they have a ball bearing & flat spring? I'd like to know what it should look like, how it goes together, and where I can find the parts I need to fix it. Thanks.
2/11/2008 1:53:39 PM EDT
[#1]
Should be a ball and spring swaged into the barrel of the pin.

Someone will show a pic soon...
2/11/2008 2:08:08 PM EDT
[#2]
No, there isn't. Would that be the takedown detent & detent spring I need?
2/11/2008 2:20:02 PM EDT
[#3]
I guess I'm confused. The XM16E1 uses the same style front pin as current production.
2/11/2008 2:34:06 PM EDT
[#4]
I think I am confused by the nomenclature.  Current ones are called front pivot pins.

Old ones were called non-captive pivot pins.

Seeing that he was using a counter-bored upper and reading the word "capture" and thinking "captive" just had me confused.

I started drinking waaaay to early.
2/11/2008 2:48:46 PM EDT
[#5]
I'm not drinking. I think my new titanium pins are leaching into my blood system. :)

2/11/2008 4:03:57 PM EDT
[#6]
Morg, can you give us a better description of what you are trying to do. We need to know what your lower, upper, and the pin looks like.

There is a lot of room for confusion with the way you worded your post.

Are you using a slabside lower like a 601 or a partial fence lower like the XM16E1?

Are you using a 601 upper that is counterbored?

Is the pin you have a 601 pin or a 603 pin?

The difference in pins is this; the head of the 601 pin will be round and the shaft will have no groove, while the head of the 603 pin will be round with a flat cut where it meets the detent in the lower receiver. There will be a groove that the detent slides in which keeps the pin from rotating.
2/11/2008 5:06:15 PM EDT
[#7]
I will be using a 603 pin (using your description) with a Nodak Spud partial fence lower. The upper is a 1966 vintage counterbored, no forge mark upper w/Colt proofs.

I am about to buy my second lower, have almost everything I need, plus a Rock River lower, except I decided to use it for a different build, so I have been in no rush to get my LPK. I just got a grey front pin from a member here, but it is missing the detent & spring - Sarco has them, so I think I understand it all now. I've fired and cleaned ARs before, but this is the first time I've built one, and I'm building 2 at once, so I've been collecting parts for 2 rifles. No excuse for not having a LPK yet, but I really wanted to wait and put it all together 'grey'. Sorry if it's a dumb question - I just never paid attention to the front pin on an AR before - just flipped them open and cleaned them.

So, the 603 pin is the current standard correct? In that case I just need a detent & detent spring.

You know, one of these days I'm actually going to have a complete, running XM16E1...
2/11/2008 5:24:43 PM EDT
[#8]
Email me your address and I can send you a spring and detent no charge.
2/11/2008 5:25:13 PM EDT
[#9]
oops
2/11/2008 6:29:50 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Email me your address and I can send you a spring and detent no charge.


Em sent. Thanks for the generous offer! This forum rocks.
2/11/2008 6:32:32 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
I'm not drinking. I think my new titanium pins are leaching into my blood system. :)

home.earthlink.net/~mwsjb/pictures/pins2.jpg


OWWW! That had to hurt! We're going to start calling you the terminator you show us any more pics like that! J/K
2/11/2008 6:33:00 PM EDT
[#12]
Oops - slamfire. Firing pin musta stuck...
2/11/2008 7:58:59 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
OWWW! That had to hurt


OWWW is an understatement. :)  Sorry to jack your thread, but I've been waiting for a place to slip that in. Three weeks ago, slipped on the ice and landed on my shoulder. Here's what it looked like before I got put back together.

2/12/2008 12:20:32 AM EDT
[#14]
HOLY CRAP!! That hurts just lookin at it I've tore my rotator cuff twice, but that takes the cake. Looks like a good excuse for pain killers and beer
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