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1/26/2008 5:56:19 AM EDT
I am trying to design a moderator as close as possible to the real thing, not for deadening the sound but for the cosmedic look. I can use any input that I can get. Like the outside diameter, how long are the flash slots ect. I know the length is 4.5". Here is what I have so far. It's made out of aluminum so it will be easier to make any changes to it as I try to get it as close to the real thing. Once we get the right design, they will be made out of metal.

1/26/2008 5:57:37 AM EDT
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Tag
1/26/2008 6:28:57 AM EDT
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Lusciousclay - turn on your IMs please.
1/26/2008 6:47:22 AM EDT
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I't rather have an aluminum one.  The steel ones are too heavy!
1/26/2008 7:32:49 AM EDT
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Thanks for posting this thread, I've been asking for these dimensions for a couple of weeks now with no results. That is looking GOOD my friend!!!!!!! What are you going to build them out of , CRS?

300m
1/26/2008 7:55:40 AM EDT
[#5]
There is a picture or two of the XM177 moderator floating around....that almost has every dimension shown...I can tell you that your slots are not the same dimensions as the original.  There are not too many manufacturers that match the original.

1/26/2008 8:17:09 AM EDT
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Before wasting any more machine time I would recommend you buying a copy of the prints. They are commercially avaialble if you seach the internet. That is where I bought mine from. Your slots are off and the wrench flats need some work. But the print I spoke of will tell all. Best of luck to you in your endeavour
1/26/2008 8:40:45 AM EDT
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From the title of this thread, I thought someone was pissed at Lancelot!!!

1/26/2008 9:17:05 AM EDT
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These are what you want, sorry the pic is not better. If someone else can't help you out let me know and I will see if I can get a better copy for you.






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"Capt Richardson"
1/26/2008 9:59:04 AM EDT
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From the title of this thread, I thought someone was pissed at Lancelot!!!




Same here.

If I was still mod it would probably be me in trouble!
1/26/2008 11:31:11 AM EDT
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Thanks Captrichardson for the blueprint diagram it will help out a lot.
I'll have to stay away from Lancelot for a while and hope he's not pissed at me.
1/26/2008 11:42:46 AM EDT
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I am trying to design a moderator as close as possible to the real thing, not for deadening the sound but for the cosmedic look. I can use any input that I can get. Like the outside diameter, how long are the flash slots ect. I know the length is 4.5". Here is what I have so far. It's made out of aluminum so it will be easier to make any changes to it as I try to get it as close to the real thing. Once we get the right design, they will be made out of metal.

i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/lusciousclay/DCP_1615.jpg


Aluminum is a metal.. As another poster stated, aluminum would be nice for weight reasons.
1/26/2008 1:49:43 PM EDT
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I've made some out of aluminum, just to see if I could machine them.  I don't plan to shoot them, though - there must be a reason why nobody makes aluminum flash hiders...

It's a real PITA to make them out of mild steel, especially drilling the big holes.  I used a lathe with a lever-actuated tailstock, and even that was a pain.
1/26/2008 1:52:54 PM EDT
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Wouldn't the aluminum heat up faster than the steel barrel? Just a guess here, but the aluminum might heat up much quicker than the steel allowing the threads to expand and it come loose?
1/26/2008 3:01:08 PM EDT
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Wouldn't the aluminum heat up faster than the steel barrel? Just a guess here, but the aluminum might heat up much quicker than the steel allowing the threads to expand and it come loose?


Dawg180 had an aluminum one a while back and he said that it looked good but, he couldn't keep it tight. It would work loose without too much use (I don't remember if he ever said how many rounds it took for it to loosen up).

Doc

ETA: Fixed my spelling. Sorry Dawg, I thought it looked funny when I typed it.
1/26/2008 4:23:39 PM EDT
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Quoted:

Quoted:
Wouldn't the aluminum heat up faster than the steel barrel? Just a guess here, but the aluminum might heat up much quicker than the steel allowing the threads to expand and it come loose?


Dog180 had an aluminum one a while back and he said that it looked good but, he couldn't keep it tight. It would work loose without too much use (I don't remember if he ever said how many rounds it took for it to loosen up).

Doc


I still have that one, it has a set screw in addition to threads.  It woudl loosen up after only 5-6 rounds, maybe 10-12 at most, almost sent it downrange twice before I wised up and stopped shooting with it installed!

Part of the problem is the aluminum is not only softer than the steel but it also has a different expansion coefficient than steel. When you thread it on, you can feel the trheads 'give' slightly each time and it screws on a little farther, and I suspect the vibration and heat of firing works it loose.  I thinik even with red Loctite the would manage to work itself free.

If you were trying to save weight I would just bore out the inside as much as you can prior to the threads.  Unless someone is looking down the muzzle they won't be able to tell.  
3/8/2008 5:23:52 PM EDT
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