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10/23/2007 4:24:18 PM EDT
[#1]
it breaks my heart to see what they did to that beautiful reciever.  
10/23/2007 4:39:41 PM EDT
[#2]
Ain't that the truth?

Somebody over the past week had three demilled parts like these in EE and I was surprised at how much he got for them in very little time.
10/23/2007 5:56:54 PM EDT
[#3]
Makes you wanna cry........
10/23/2007 6:02:02 PM EDT
[#4]
F*ckers couldnt even detach the upper and take out the lower parts

I hate the ATF with a passion. If there was ever a more unconstitutional, disgusting branch of a "free" government, I havent heard of it.
10/23/2007 7:40:24 PM EDT
[#5]
BATF =  Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms

Sounds more like some kind of "Mens Club"........We should be so lucky.

Doc

10/23/2007 8:40:32 PM EDT
[#6]

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F*ckers couldnt even detach the upper and take out the lower parts

I hate the ATF with a passion. If there was ever a more unconstitutional, disgusting branch of a "free" government, I haven't heard of it.


There it is...  Wasted taxpayer money at its best.  But hey, that bolt catch looks like it could still be usable...
10/24/2007 7:34:13 AM EDT
[#7]
every once in a while army welders will be called to do stuff like this. I remeber my squad leader in korea telling me when they got detailed out to cut up m60's He was actually a machineist too. she said they kept all the bolts as they were good hard stell that you could use for some future project on the lathe. I would have liked to get a few barrels. ohwell. at work I'll smash up m203 grenade launcher barrels. sometimes if stuff dosn't look broke enough they won't accept it so we really mess it up. I do small arms repaire for the army.
10/24/2007 1:08:52 PM EDT
[#8]
Was that BATFE doing, or the work of William Jefferson Clinton?
Agreed; makes your stomach roll.
Moon
10/25/2007 9:35:46 AM EDT
[#9]
Instead of putting out the contracts for new production weapons for forign aid, why not refub these.

I am sure CLT is laughing all the way to the bank.
10/26/2007 12:08:00 AM EDT
[#10]

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Instead of putting out the contracts for new production weapons for forign aid, why not refub these.

I am sure CLT is laughing all the way to the bank.


Think about what the gov't probably pays for a new lower, then think about how much the labor, etc. would be to refurb one.  Probably cheaper, or close enough, that it makes more sense just to trash the worn ones and replace them.

WRT to the demills, can anyone say MIG welder?
11/3/2007 3:45:06 PM EDT
[#11]
So why did they do this?
11/3/2007 3:52:59 PM EDT
[#12]
That's just sad.
11/3/2007 3:55:51 PM EDT
[#13]

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Ain't that the truth?

Somebody over the past week had three demilled parts like these in EE and I was surprised at how much he got for them in very little time.


One of them was an XM16E1 I believe.
11/3/2007 4:05:33 PM EDT
[#14]
They do refurb weapons, Most M16's I've been issued, to include Colt and FN M16A2's and Colt M16A1 and XM16E1's have been refurbed. Just take a look at the stamping on the mag well, it will say ANAD _ _   _ _ _ _ insert month and year in the spaces, I've seen some that were completely reanodized.

Steve
11/3/2007 5:32:50 PM EDT
[#15]
Every Air Force M16A2 I’ve handled except for one FN used an early receiver. It breaks my heart to see XM16E1 crossed and M16A2 etched in next to it.
11/3/2007 5:35:08 PM EDT
[#16]
Once the fire control pin holes "egg out" from full-auto wear, it was cheaper to destroy them and replace them than to repair the old ones that were no longer within safe tolerances.
11/3/2007 6:44:01 PM EDT
[#17]

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They do refurb weapons, Most M16's I've been issued, to include Colt and FN M16A2's and Colt M16A1 and XM16E1's have been refurbed. Just take a look at the stamping on the mag well, it will say ANAD _ _   _ _ _ _ insert month and year in the spaces, I've seen some that were completely reanodized.

Steve






11/4/2007 3:12:01 PM EDT
[#19]
Is that GM a reweld?  It sure looks like it!
11/4/2007 7:52:41 PM EDT
[#20]

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Is that GM a reweld?  It sure looks like it!


It does, but no it's a USGI M16A2 conversion, done with a EMCO parts kit.


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or they look like thiswww.fototime.com/2A89F2F8F5FE539/standard.jpgwww.fototime.com/637CC1EB193302F/standard.jpg


Those early FNMI M16A2s were butt ugly, gotta love the electro pencil markings.
11/5/2007 2:11:50 AM EDT
[#21]

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Is that GM a reweld?  It sure looks like it!


It does, but no it's a USGI M16A2 conversion, done with a EMCO parts kit.

That is correct sir.
11/5/2007 4:52:25 PM EDT
[#22]
Ekie,  Although Ihave never seen the FN engraving before, I have seen the machinery that does it. It's a table top CNC machine designed specifically for part marking. The results are not pretty but functional and relatively durable.
11/6/2007 6:17:59 AM EDT
[#23]

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Ekie,  Although Ihave never seen the FN engraving before, I have seen the machinery that does it. It's a table top CNC machine designed specifically for part marking. The results are not pretty but functional and relatively durable.


"Not pretty", I still prefer butt ugly.
11/6/2007 6:52:27 AM EDT
[#24]
You know, I would love to see someone start a collection of images of M16 receiver markings somewhere.  It sure would be pretty cool to have a manufacturer offer retro marked lowers and a library of markings sure would help!
11/6/2007 9:16:31 AM EDT
[#25]
Whats up with the 2nd FN pictured. The auto sear was removed and some kinda funky block was put over the selector .
11/6/2007 10:04:39 AM EDT
[#26]

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Whats up with the 2nd FN pictured. The auto sear was removed and some kinda funky block was put over the selector .


Those blocks show up for sale every now and then as well.  They are there to prevent hugh speed running and sometimes they are used with or without the ful auto parts installed (note one of the pics has the block with the full auto parts).

Kinda strange to have a machingun with a block to keep the fun position off limits...  but that is the way it is...

I also recall someone posting that they worked in a prison that had these...  I think the logic was that they didn't need full auto most of the time and they could remove it to make full auto if needed.  It has been a long time though so I would never be able to post a reference...
11/6/2007 11:39:22 AM EDT
[#27]
Where do ya find the demilled parts of the receiver?
11/6/2007 12:04:03 PM EDT
[#28]

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Whats up with the 2nd FN pictured. The auto sear was removed and some kinda funky block was put over the selector .


Those blocks show up for sale every now and then as well.  They are there to prevent hugh speed running and sometimes they are used with or without the ful auto parts installed (note one of the pics has the block with the full auto parts).

Kinda strange to have a machingun with a block to keep the fun position off limits...  but that is the way it is...

I also recall someone posting that they worked in a prison that had these...  I think the logic was that they didn't need full auto most of the time and they could remove it to make full auto if needed.  It has been a long time though so I would never be able to post a reference...


When I was in college ROTC, we would draw our weapons from the local armory.  Once in the field, we would remove the "limiters" and have at it.  Then we would clean the weapons( they were always dirty when we drew them ), re-install the limiters and turn them in once the FTX was finished.

The local armory was for the 2/123rd Transportation Company.  Guess they never used FA or didn't want us to...
11/6/2007 12:05:38 PM EDT
[#29]

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Whats up with the 2nd FN pictured. The auto sear was removed and some kinda funky block was put over the selector .


Those blocks show up for sale every now and then as well.  They are there to prevent hugh speed running and sometimes they are used with or without the ful auto parts installed (note one of the pics has the block with the full auto parts).

Kinda strange to have a machingun with a block to keep the fun position off limits...  but that is the way it is...

I also recall someone posting that they worked in a prison that had these...  I think the logic was that they didn't need full auto most of the time and they could remove it to make full auto if needed.  It has been a long time though so I would never be able to post a reference...


According to the TM the selector lock plate was to be installed at thr discretion of the unit commander but was mandatory for use in civil distrurbance use (riot control).  Not sure if this applied to National Guard rifles or strictly to Army troops used in riot control in the US.  
11/6/2007 12:10:04 PM EDT
[#30]

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or they look like thiswww.fototime.com/2A89F2F8F5FE539/standard.jpgwww.fototime.com/637CC1EB193302F/standard.jpg


Dean,
Is that one of the CMP's M16s from the M16 EIC match?

AI AR10-Dan in Ga
11/6/2007 1:32:11 PM EDT
[#31]

According to the TM the selector lock plate was to be installed at thr discretion of the unit commander but was mandatory for use in civil distrurbance use (riot control). Not sure if this applied to National Guard rifles or strictly to Army troops used in riot control in the US.


Don't know bout the guard, but our rifles in my reserve unit did not have the block. I know the rifles in the ROTC program at my wifes college have the auto sears removed, as does my local P.D.

Auto blocked during riot control huh? Seems like one of the few times full auto on a rifle would be useful.
11/6/2007 2:58:57 PM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:

According to the TM the selector lock plate was to be installed at thr discretion of the unit commander but was mandatory for use in civil distrurbance use (riot control). Not sure if this applied to National Guard rifles or strictly to Army troops used in riot control in the US.


Don't know bout the guard, but our rifles in my reserve unit did not have the block. I know the rifles in the ROTC program at my wifes college have the auto sears removed, as does my local P.D.

Auto blocked during riot control huh? Seems like one of the few times full auto on a rifle would be useful.


Useful if you just want to hose down the crowd, not so much for only shooting the exact troublemaker who's getting ready to throw a molotov & not hitting the people around him that are just yelling & screaming.  Bad PR & all that.  

11/6/2007 3:10:00 PM EDT
[#33]

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You know, I would love to see someone start a collection of images of M16 receiver markings somewhere.  It sure would be pretty cool to have a manufacturer offer retro marked lowers and a library of markings sure would help!


Start your own.  I decided about a year ago to start saving some of the better images I see here and on other sites, and AR-15 receiver markings are my #1 area of interest.  I already have about 50 photos of markings of Colts, H&R, Hydramatic, FN etc., 601s right up to M16A4s
11/6/2007 4:18:49 PM EDT
[#34]
The FN M16 was one that I use at Perry on loan from the Army?http://www.fototime.com/45D3D257049ECC4/standard.jpg for the CMP to use.
11/7/2007 2:48:15 AM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:

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You know, I would love to see someone start a collection of images of M16 receiver markings somewhere.  It sure would be pretty cool to have a manufacturer offer retro marked lowers and a library of markings sure would help!


Start your own.  I decided about a year ago to start saving some of the better images I see here and on other sites, and AR-15 receiver markings are my #1 area of interest.  I already have about 50 photos of markings of Colts, H&R, Hydramatic, FN etc., 601s right up to M16A4s


I've got a bunch of hi-res pictures that I have taken if you guys are interested.
11/7/2007 3:43:30 AM EDT
[#36]
Feel free to share with the rest of us . Perhaps that would deserve a tacked thread.
11/7/2007 9:43:07 AM EDT
[#37]

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Whats up with the 2nd FN pictured. The auto sear was removed and some kinda funky block was put over the selector .


Those blocks show up for sale every now and then as well.  They are there to prevent hugh speed running and sometimes they are used with or without the ful auto parts installed (note one of the pics has the block with the full auto parts).

Kinda strange to have a machingun with a block to keep the fun position off limits...  but that is the way it is...

I also recall someone posting that they worked in a prison that had these...  I think the logic was that they didn't need full auto most of the time and they could remove it to make full auto if needed.  It has been a long time though so I would never be able to post a reference...


If I recall the tab could be broken away by twisting upward from what was said in another thread a long time ago.  
11/9/2007 7:48:48 AM EDT
[#38]

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Whats up with the 2nd FN pictured. The auto sear was removed and some kinda funky block was put over the selector .


Range safety. I know a lot of LE Agencies take the auto sear out, etc., in an attempt to head off civil liability, reduce ammo use and firearm wear, and so on. But it's also local practice that I have seen in both the TN National and Air Guard units to remove the auto sear and install the selector block purely to prevent some nimrod on the range from accidentally selecting the wrong mode and sending a couple dozen rounds downrange, at least the last few of which go up and over, into parts and altitudes unknown. The rifles not used for range practice are stored in the fully functional configuration, ready for use.
11/13/2007 6:31:33 PM EDT
[#39]



(quote)If I recall the tab could be broken away by twisting upward from what was said in another thread a long time ago.  (quote)


IIRC, the tab was broken by prying outward with any tool if you needed R n' R on short notice.  We always figured that it was meant to be a telltale at the armsroom if anybody popped it off w/o authorization.  As the other poster noted, we removed and replaced so that we could use the happy switch.
Re: removing the autosear; my old Guard outfit was sent out to keep an eye on striking steelhaulers with the entire BCG removed.  Often wondered if the Guard/Reserve guys patrolling airports after 9/11 had ammo and functional rifles.  This country is more concerned about litigation than terrorists.
Moon
11/14/2007 8:07:24 AM EDT
[#40]

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(quote)If I recall the tab could be broken away by twisting upward from what was said in another thread a long time ago.  (quote)


IIRC, the tab was broken by prying outward with any tool if you needed R n' R on short notice.  We always figured that it was meant to be a telltale at the armsroom if anybody popped it off w/o authorization.  As the other poster noted, we removed and replaced so that we could use the happy switch.
Re: removing the autosear; my old Guard outfit was sent out to keep an eye on striking steelhaulers with the entire BCG removed.  Often wondered if the Guard/Reserve guys patrolling airports after 9/11 had ammo and functional rifles.  This country is more concerned about litigation than terrorists.
Moon


There was no ammo at the airports after 9/11. All just show.
11/14/2007 8:16:18 AM EDT
[#41]

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(quote)If I recall the tab could be broken away by twisting upward from what was said in another thread a long time ago.  (quote)


IIRC, the tab was broken by prying outward with any tool if you needed R n' R on short notice.  We always figured that it was meant to be a telltale at the armsroom if anybody popped it off w/o authorization.  As the other poster noted, we removed and replaced so that we could use the happy switch.
Re: removing the autosear; my old Guard outfit was sent out to keep an eye on striking steelhaulers with the entire BCG removed.  Often wondered if the Guard/Reserve guys patrolling airports after 9/11 had ammo and functional rifles.  This country is more concerned about litigation than terrorists.
Moon


I was stationed at the MPLS/St.Paul Int. airport on Oct 6th 2001.

We had 2 loaded mags with M855. One in the gun (empty chamber) one your LBV.

Many people came up and said "you don't have any live ammo". I'd just open the top of my mag pouch and show them the "green tips", and their eyes would bug.

They would then move promptly out of the AO.
11/14/2007 8:36:45 AM EDT
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(quote)If I recall the tab could be broken away by twisting upward from what was said in another thread a long time ago.  (quote)


IIRC, the tab was broken by prying outward with any tool if you needed R n' R on short notice.  We always figured that it was meant to be a telltale at the armsroom if anybody popped it off w/o authorization.  As the other poster noted, we removed and replaced so that we could use the happy switch.
Re: removing the autosear; my old Guard outfit was sent out to keep an eye on striking steelhaulers with the entire BCG removed.  Often wondered if the Guard/Reserve guys patrolling airports after 9/11 had ammo and functional rifles.  This country is more concerned about litigation than terrorists.
Moon


I was stationed at the MPLS/St.Paul Int. airport on Oct 6th 2001.

We had 2 loaded mags with M855. One in the gun (empty chamber) one your LBV.

Many people came up and said "you don't have any live ammo". I'd just open the top of my mag pouch and show them the "green tips", and their eyes would bug.hock.gif

They would then move promptly out of the AO.


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