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12/31/2006 5:02:30 PM EDT
Dean3006 has some more CUT triangular handles. Anybody want to weld mine

Edit: duhhhh for sale in EE, used AR forum.
I only bought one last time. Time to weld or use some duct tape
1/1/2007 11:41:09 AM EDT
[#1]
Wish I had the extra money..I'd buy 1 or 2 more.
1/1/2007 12:07:24 PM EDT
[#2]
I have welded these before , you need to make your weld all the way at the back where the triangle is otherwise the aluminum is to thin to be strong enough that i would trust it not breaking.

1/12/2007 4:46:39 PM EDT
[#3]
Has anyone ever welded or spliced one of these Early Triangular Charging Handles together, using a new Charging Handle for the parts. I would like to know how you did it, and if it turned out ok.
1/12/2007 7:05:51 PM EDT
[#4]
Well I ordered a couple from Dean to try to weld and machine two charging handles together to make one.  

I will have to make a welding jig before I even try.......I don't see why it should be that difficult.....it sure will be time consuming, though.
1/13/2007 4:55:59 AM EDT
[#5]
FYI I am working with a local shop on another batch! Will be a couple months at least before they are done. Turns out that a large chunk of change will be changing hands in order to turn out 150 of these buggers.....
1/13/2007 4:59:53 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
FYI I am working with a local shop on another batch! Will be a couple months at least before they are done. Turns out that a large chunk of change will be changing hands in order to turn out 150 of these buggers.....


You are my friend!
1/13/2007 5:08:57 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
FYI I am working with a local shop on another batch! Will be a couple months at least before they are done. Turns out that a large chunk of change will be changing hands in order to turn out 150 of these buggers.....

You suck..why do you have to do this after I buy a real 601 CH and am about to have the cut one fixed?
1/13/2007 5:53:58 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
FYI I am working with a local shop on another batch! Will be a couple months at least before they are done. Turns out that a large chunk of change will be changing hands in order to turn out 150 of these buggers.....

You suck..why do you have to do this after I buy a real 601 CH and am about to have the cut one fixed?


Damn.....

Ditto
1/13/2007 6:03:08 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
FYI I am working with a local shop on another batch! Will be a couple months at least before they are done. Turns out that a large chunk of change will be changing hands in order to turn out 150 of these buggers.....

You suck..why do you have to do this after I buy a real 601 CH and am about to have the cut one fixed?


Damn.....

Ditto

Depending on price, I may pick one of Tom's up just in case of a rainy day..

Still waiting on those 607 stocks..any news?
1/13/2007 7:12:46 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
FYI I am working with a local shop on another batch! Will be a couple months at least before they are done. Turns out that a large chunk of change will be changing hands in order to turn out 150 of these buggers.....



How do you make yours?
1/13/2007 7:38:08 PM EDT
[#11]
Which ones are originals and which ones are Tom's?



1/13/2007 9:44:37 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
Which ones are originals and which ones are Tom's?

www.fototime.com/0D090EFDF7BB038/standard.jpg



Never even held on of Tom's but I will go with all three being his.
1/13/2007 9:57:13 PM EDT
[#13]
Ekie,

It's my guess that the middle one is a real Colt part. The slightly darker ones are mine. I did try to put some paint on them, but maybe I need a thicker coat to lighten up the color!

As for some people getting an original repaired, you can say that you actually have an original rather than a copy I guess. Also the price will have to be higher on this batch since I sort of did that last batch on my own time as a gimme to the arf.com crowd.  I cannot comment further yet as I don't have any more information to share!

Oh I can say that I did that last batch on a 100% manual milling machine and took a LONG time doing them..... if i recall I spent about 2-3 months of spare time,  that is inbetween customer projects of course.
1/14/2007 3:26:14 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Which ones are originals and which ones are Tom's?

www.fototime.com/0D090EFDF7BB038/standard.jpg


Middle one is original?
1/14/2007 4:52:28 AM EDT
[#15]
I already have a real triangle charging handle for my 601 project, but when Tom's batch comes out I'll pick up an extra "just in case".

Tom, any plan to reproduce the 601 rear sight windage drum? I could sure use one.
1/14/2007 5:22:41 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
I already have a real triangle charging handle for my 601 project, but when Tom's batch comes out I'll pick up an extra "just in case".

Tom, any plan to reproduce the 601 rear sight windage drum? I could sure use one.

+1!! A windage drum would be REALLY nice. How could you do it though? I mean unless you MADE a brand new drum without markings and then engraved it with the arrow and R...
1/14/2007 8:57:08 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
Ekie,

It's my guess that the middle one is a real Colt part. The slightly darker ones are mine. I did try to put some paint on them, but maybe I need a thicker coat to lighten up the color!


Tom would know!
1/14/2007 11:16:06 AM EDT
[#18]
Have originals in both brown and gray.  My thoughts are the older ones were bead blasted, and took a dark gray finish, while later ones are smoother and have a brown color.  601 and 602 uppers are the same story.

Interesting that those three handles you posted pictures of are all have a different contour then the three I have/had.  For example:



Note that the highest surface has a gradual tapper from the triangle to the long part of the handle that goes into the receiver.  On UXB's this transition is much shorter and take on a circular shape.  See what I mean?
1/14/2007 11:57:06 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
Has anyone ever welded or spliced one of these Early Triangular Charging Handles together, using a new Charging Handle for the parts. I would like to know how you did it, and if it turned out ok.



Yes , this is how it MUST be done , the aluminum is to thin to weld in the "stem" area i would not trust the weld to hold there.


What i did was take a new charging handle and splice it into the triangle demilled one all the way in the back towards the spring catch area.

The Aluminum is thicker there and will not shear or bend from pulling the bolt carrier rearward.

Unless you plan on having the welded triangle handle re-hard coat anodized the weld area will be softer and more malleable so welding it in a area for strength is critical.

You must use a Modern High frequency start TIG machine otherwise the temperature is too difficult to control and you will disfigure the triangle charging handle.
1/14/2007 3:25:56 PM EDT
[#20]
Ekie, you are talking about the 45 degree slant cuts on each side of the "stem" of the charging handle that rides in the receiver.

I bought the two dark ones from Total Silence, Inc. and picked up the "original" one in the middle from a guy parting out his early SP1.  I know it came off a Colt, but I don't know why the profile is different from yours.
1/14/2007 4:21:12 PM EDT
[#21]
Ekie, does this look original to you? It does to me based on your pics and the cut one I have. But then again, according to uxb's CH, it seems that there may have been more than 1 type...

1/14/2007 4:25:53 PM EDT
[#22]
B_D, yours looks more like Ekie's profile.  
1/14/2007 4:33:12 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
B_D, yours looks more like Ekie's profile.  

Thats what I was thinking but it also look more grey and almost brand spankin new. But to my knowledge, TSI was the ONLY one making repro charging handles and mine doesnt look like his. But what confuses me is the color. Although my cut one looks pretty close. I'll have to wait til I get it in my hands on Thursday or so. It may just be the pic.
1/14/2007 6:03:38 PM EDT
[#24]
There was also that guy selling refinished triangular handles on Sturmgewehr about a half a year ago.

Scott
1/14/2007 7:39:40 PM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
Ekie, does this look original to you? It does to me based on your pics and the cut one I have. But then again, according to uxb's CH, it seems that there may have been more than 1 type...

img390.imageshack.us/img390/8502/coltpartsag3.th.jpg</a>


There may very well be two types of triangle charging handles.  I hate when that happens.  We find a new variation at least every week, makes it impossible to keep track.

And yes, yours is like all of mine, and all of UXB's are the different shape.

Check out Dean's, these three are like Blanco's and mine:

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=119&t=407259
1/15/2007 2:56:19 AM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
Have originals in both brown and gray.  My thoughts are the older ones were bead blasted, and took a dark gray finish, while later ones are smoother and have a brown color.  601 and 602 uppers are the same story.

Interesting that those three handles you posted pictures of are all have a different contour then the three I have/had.  For example:

img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/variation%20guide/CHold.jpg

Note that the highest surface has a gradual tapper from the triangle to the long part of the handle that goes into the receiver.  On UXB's this transition is much shorter and take on a circular shape.  See what I mean?



Ekie,

I think I see a feature on the middle one that makes me suspect that it too is one of mine. UXB where did you  get that  photo or middle charging handle?

                                                                                            Tom L.
1/15/2007 4:56:28 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Ekie, does this look original to you? It does to me based on your pics and the cut one I have. But then again, according to uxb's CH, it seems that there may have been more than 1 type...

img390.imageshack.us/img390/8502/coltpartsag3.th.jpg</a>


There may very well be two types of triangle charging handles.  I hate when that happens.  We find a new variation at least every week, makes it impossible to keep track.

And yes, yours is like all of mine, and all of UXB's are the different shape.

Check out Dean's, these three are like Blanco's and mine:

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=119&t=407259

My cut one from Dean has the same contour there as yours.
1/15/2007 5:07:29 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Have originals in both brown and gray.  My thoughts are the older ones were bead blasted, and took a dark gray finish, while later ones are smoother and have a brown color.  601 and 602 uppers are the same story.

Interesting that those three handles you posted pictures of are all have a different contour then the three I have/had.  For example:

img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/variation%20guide/CHold.jpg

Note that the highest surface has a gradual tapper from the triangle to the long part of the handle that goes into the receiver.  On UXB's this transition is much shorter and take on a circular shape.  See what I mean?



Ekie,

I think I see a feature on the middle one that makes me suspect that it too is one of mine. UXB where did you  get that  photo or middle charging handle?

                                                                                            Tom L.


Tom,

It came off a 1964 Colt, the same one the fire control group came from that I sent you.  I've had it about eighteen years.  Unless you were making them back then, then I don't know how to explain it.

uxb
1/15/2007 5:23:13 AM EDT
[#29]


Tom,

It came off a 1964 Colt, the same one the fire control group came from that I sent you.  I've had it about eighteen years.  Unless you were making them back then, then I don't know how to explain it.

uxb


Har HAR! I wasn't even a thought at that point!
1/15/2007 5:57:30 AM EDT
[#30]
So I guess we're split between it being a 3rd party repro or a different type original..
1/15/2007 7:00:09 AM EDT
[#31]
Guess I might as well dump my bucket into the pile.

The two original uncut handles match the original 601 upper perfectly, finish is a dark gray.


The de-milled handles came from a different source. #1 matches the uncut ones and #3 & #4 have a slight brown tint to the dark gray.


The 601 upper receiver was purchased at a gun show last year.  Dealer had 20-30 surplus stripped uppers on the table.  Many slabsides and early A1's. My eye caught this one because of the finished seam inside the handle and no arrow with / R.
Had it marked the same price as the others 125.00! Unfortunately it did not have a rear sight or port door on it.  The shown sight and port door is regular A1 that I installed.

It does not appear refinished or painted, as it matches the uncut 601 charging handles that came from another source. It has a few light scuff marks with the proof marks being very clear and well defined as shown in the blow up.


FWIW
1/15/2007 7:14:08 AM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:
Guess I might as well dump my bucket into the pile.

The two original uncut handles match the original 601 upper perfectly, finish is a dark gray.
i61.photobucket.com/albums/h63/critical-mass/601_1.jpg

The de-milled handles came from a different source. #1 matches the uncut ones and #3 & #4 have a slight brown tint to the dark gray.
i61.photobucket.com/albums/h63/critical-mass/601_3-1.jpg

The 601 upper receiver was purchased at a gun show last year.  Dealer had 20-30 surplus stripped uppers on the table.  Many slabsides and early A1's. My eye caught this one because of the finished seam inside the handle and no arrow with / R.
Had it marked the same price as the others 125.00! Unfortunately it did not have a rear sight or port door on it.  The shown sight and port door is regular A1 that I installed.

It does not appear refinished or painted, as it matches the uncut 601 charging handles that came from another source. It has a few light scuff marks with the proof marks being very clear and well defined as shown in the blow up.
i61.photobucket.com/albums/h63/critical-mass/601_2.jpg

FWIW

Looks like the finish on your uncut handles matches the finish on my uncut and cut one.

By the way, if you ever have any interest in selling that 601 upper, lemme know
1/15/2007 7:26:50 AM EDT
[#33]


Looks like the finish on your uncut handles matches the finish on my uncut and cut one.

By the way, if you ever have any interest in selling that 601 upper, lemme know


It never hurts to ask....but I will be keeping the upper.  

Let me know if you run across an extra 601 rear sight.    Man, Tom needs to make those too!   Should be fairly easy to make, just has an arrow with an R on it instead of numbers.

Tom, have you thought of making the 601 rear sights when you get going again?
1/15/2007 7:35:49 AM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:


Looks like the finish on your uncut handles matches the finish on my uncut and cut one.

By the way, if you ever have any interest in selling that 601 upper, lemme know


It never hurts to ask....but I will be keeping the upper.  

Let me know if you run across an extra 601 rear sight.    Man, Tom needs to make those too!   Should be fairly easy to make, just has an arrow with an R on it instead of numbers.

Tom, have you thought of making the 601 rear sights when you get going again?

I dont even have a rear sight on mine. But if I ever find two, I'l let ya know Got a 601 port door on the way though

I agree, though. It'd be VERY nice if Tom could make those.
1/16/2007 1:22:13 AM EDT
[#35]
Right now I am probably pushing things a bit to get the charging handles on the docket.  Sorry can't take on that project at this time.......
1/20/2007 1:35:26 PM EDT
[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Ekie, does this look original to you? It does to me based on your pics and the cut one I have. But then again, according to uxb's CH, it seems that there may have been more than 1 type...

img390.imageshack.us/img390/8502/coltpartsag3.th.jpg</a>


There may very well be two types of triangle charging handles.  I hate when that happens.  We find a new variation at least every week, makes it impossible to keep track.

And yes, yours is like all of mine, and all of UXB's are the different shape.

Check out Dean's, these three are like Blanco's and mine:

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=119&t=407259


Well, I found at least a few variations in the small pile I have. Two are cut and two are uncut.

Two angles from the latch side. Notice that there is one additional line on the top three, but the bottom one is almost too faint to see.



Also notice that the latch on the second from the bottom has been deburred more than the others.



Right side view. Notice that there is one more line on the very top handle.



Here is a better view of it.



And the sad picture of the two that are cut.



What a waste!
2/9/2007 12:49:07 PM EDT
[#37]
So what are the originals worth?

Thanks
2/9/2007 1:06:37 PM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:
So what are the originals worth?

Thanks

Bought an original in near mint condition along with a port door and 2 slings for $95 if that helps any.
2/9/2007 1:09:21 PM EDT
[#39]
I used to pay around $75-$80.  I'll bet they are getting more expensive.
2/9/2007 1:11:44 PM EDT
[#40]

Quoted:
I used to pay around $75-$80.  I'll bet they are getting more expensive.

I think I paid around $60-65-70 but I think I got a great deal on it so I dunno.

BTW Kurt, check your IMs.
2/11/2007 3:33:19 AM EDT
[#41]
So $25 to the door for one with 85% finish was good?
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