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Posted: 11/25/2009 6:22:57 AM EDT
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Anyone using one of these buffers sold here link toward the bottom of the page? And if so are they good, ie, do the function fine with no/little feed problems etc.
I was thinking of building a 7" pistol and wanted a short buffer tube to keep the overall lenght down to around or less than 26 inches. Alternate/better choices to meet this goal alos appreciated. I would be greatful for any help. |
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Most people around here don't care for it, I guess it has some reliability issues. It's also known as the old Model 1 Sales pistol buffer.
I've been watching for a cheap used one, but I'm running low on time. Function isn't important for my project at this stage. I need a rifle with a 16 inch barrel to fall between 26 and 30 inches in length and I think this will do it, the carbine length is too long, It will be replaced with a folding stock someday, but I want it "functional" by December 31st for legal reasons. |
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I tried almost every short recoil system. They all gave me reliability problems on my build (anvil arms lower, rock river upper, 71/2 barrel., and a Noveske to help with back pressure. I came across an article on here where a guy used the short recoil tube from a carbon15 pistol. So I ordered it from bushmaster. It's been so long I cant remember the part #. The main difference between the two is that the guid rod is built into the tube. The tube is some type of injection molded plastic. I had my doubts but took it allong with a variety of wolf 1911 springs that I bought all in different weights. From my experiences before I had found that I had better luck using a full legnth 21 pound spring and for reasons I dont understand another peice of 18 pound spring (about 2 inches long) which I placed on the center alignmet rod first. It took a good bit of force to get the springs compressed, but I was able to do it myself.
So to the firing. It went through about 200 rounds with no failures. Pretty good considereing these are all new parts. There's no break in. I let it sit for a few minutes and put a little clp on the bolt and it went right back at it. I've posted pics before, I'll look to see if I have one now I can put up. If I had to guess why it works so well (not an engineer) The guide rod is fixed and if it swayed slightly during recoil it would be slightly flexible. The tube is some type of incredibly strong plastic. Not being metal it does not hold heat like an oven. And the plastic would offer less friction. The little bit of extra spring just helps in the recoil. I forgot to mention that I did use the bolt weight that I believe came from the gunsmoke kit. Hope this helps. Ok found a pick before the noveske and It now sports an EOtech but youll get the idea. 
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I tried almost every short recoil system. They all gave me reliability problems on my build (anvil arms lower, rock river upper, 71/2 barrel., and a Noveske to help with back pressure. I came across an article on here where a guy used the short recoil tube from a carbon15 pistol. So I ordered it from bushmaster. It's been so long I cant remember the part #. The main difference between the two is that the guid rod is built into the tube. The tube is some type of injection molded plastic. I had my doubts but took it allong with a variety of wolf 1911 springs that I bought all in different weights. From my experiences before I had found that I had better luck using a full legnth 21 pound spring and for reasons I dont understand another peice of 18 pound spring (about 2 inches long) which I placed on the center alignmet rod first. It took a good bit of force to get the springs compressed, but I was able to do it myself. So to the firing. It went through about 200 rounds with no failures. Pretty good considereing these are all new parts. There's no break in. I let it sit for a few minutes and put a little clp on the bolt and it went right back at it. I've posted pics before, I'll look to see if I have one now I can put up. If I had to guess why it works so well (not an engineer) The guide rod is fixed and if it swayed slightly during recoil it would be slightly flexible. The tube is some type of incredibly strong plastic. Not being metal it does not hold heat like an oven. And the plastic would offer less friction. The little bit of extra spring just helps in the recoil. I forgot to mention that I did use the bolt weight that I believe came from the gunsmoke kit. Hope this helps. Ok found a pick before the noveske and It now sports an EOtech but youll get the idea. Good info! |
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I was wondering if the Carbon 15 had the right thread.
How long is it? Remember what it cost? I'm looking for one between 2.5 and 6 inches. I don't want to spend 80 bucks plus on the GSE part, knowing it's not that great, if I can find something better or cheaper. It's a temporary part, I don't care so much about function as much as length and price. |
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Yes, The threads are the same. I seem to think it was about 50 bucks but it's been a while and I didn't save the rcpt.
Sorry for the quality of the following pics but It was just easier to whip out the phone instead of the cam. The length of the cf buffer tube is 4 inches 
Here is one of the many short tubes I layed above for comparison. I dont think this is the gunsmoke one but its a close match 
and here she is after many fun days of firing personally I like the Aimpoint but at close range the eotech is easier to see and use 
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I tried almost every short recoil system. They all gave me reliability problems on my build (anvil arms lower, rock river upper, 71/2 barrel., and a Noveske to help with back pressure. I came across an article on here where a guy used the short recoil tube from a carbon15 pistol. So I ordered it from bushmaster. It's been so long I cant remember the part #. The main difference between the two is that the guid rod is built into the tube. The tube is some type of injection molded plastic. I had my doubts but took it allong with a variety of wolf 1911 springs that I bought all in different weights. From my experiences before I had found that I had better luck using a full legnth 21 pound spring and for reasons I dont understand another peice of 18 pound spring (about 2 inches long) which I placed on the center alignmet rod first. It took a good bit of force to get the springs compressed, but I was able to do it myself. So to the firing. It went through about 200 rounds with no failures. Pretty good considereing these are all new parts. There's no break in. I let it sit for a few minutes and put a little clp on the bolt and it went right back at it. I've posted pics before, I'll look to see if I have one now I can put up. If I had to guess why it works so well (not an engineer) The guide rod is fixed and if it swayed slightly during recoil it would be slightly flexible. The tube is some type of incredibly strong plastic. Not being metal it does not hold heat like an oven. And the plastic would offer less friction. The little bit of extra spring just helps in the recoil. I forgot to mention that I did use the bolt weight that I believe came from the gunsmoke kit. Hope this helps. If possible could you post some pictures of this setup disassembled on a table? I have my PWS Diablo upper, but I'm undecided on what to do with the buffer tube. |
| Do yourself a favor and stick with the CAR length buffer system. For every one person who claims their pistol length buffer runs great there are dozens of others who have had nothing but trouble. It may add a couple of inches but at least you know the thing will function. And even if you don't need it to be reliable it is still a little embarrassing IMO to have to keep clearing jams while on-lookers snicker at your toy. When they run like a bat out of hell they don't snicker, they ask if they can shoot it and how to get one. |
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Do yourself a favor and stick with the CAR length buffer system. For every one person who claims their pistol length buffer runs great there are dozens of others who have had nothing but trouble. It may add a couple of inches but at least you know the thing will function. And even if you don't need it to be reliable it is still a little embarrassing IMO to have to keep clearing jams while on-lookers snicker at your toy. When they run like a bat out of hell they don't snicker, they ask if they can shoot it and how to get one. I know the probability of mine working right "out of the box" is slim to none. As you said, it is a toy, and I don't mind tinkering with it, so I'm willing to give it a shot. I know LWRC's PSD is a little different, but they use a piston upper AND Gun Smoke buffer. |
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