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Posted: 2/27/2008 10:52:07 AM EDT
| So people want vertical grips on their AR pistols, but as far as I can tell that is illegal. What about a sling? If you have a railed forearm, mount a sling on the bottom rail, fold the sling over itself a few times until you reach the desired thickness, zip tie in place and attach the opposite end to the rear of the pistol. Instant solution to the fore grip problem. Any thoughts? |
lol no its a clever idea, I was just being an ass.... I dunno if it makes a loophole in the law though, read it carefully, it says a pistol becomes an AOW if you hold it with TWO hands.. |
No problem on the ass aprt. I instantly felt like I had solicited a minor for... um... nevermind. Anyway, the letter specifically named vertical grip. AR pistols can be fired with two hands anyway. Seems like this would fall into the "Can I shoulder fire my AR pistol using the buffer tube?" category. |
| It seems to me the ATF is all about INTENT by doing this you would be INTENDING to make a VFG and thus be committing a federal crime. So don't do it. I have seen the leash on the MAC style pistols and no one seems to care, as they come from the manufacturer that way but it still seems like a gray area on a AR. |
Offspring is right... this pertains to a front grip. You can fire a pistol using both hands and it won't be an AOW. If not... virtually everyone who has ever shot a pistol would have made an AOW by using two hands. Anyway... for those of you in Floriday, get an AOW from Anvil Arms. They aren't any more expensive than a pistol from Jon. You just have to do your Form 4 paperwork and pay $5 extra for the tax. Here's a couple NFA toys I bought from AA last October.  |
You still need to form a trust to get the form 4 taken care of right? I have thought about SBR many times, but haven't felt like spending the $200 yet. |
Trust, or Corp. Or get a CLEO signoff and get it registered to yourself. AOW is kind of nice, as it only has a $5 transfer tax, not $200. |
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Oh yeah - and to answer the OP's question: People have been using that handy "carry strap" on the front of MAC10 pistols for years. I find it works quite well on my F/A MAC10 as a forward grip. I would think a similar carry strap would be just fine on an AR pistol. |
The federal definition of a handgun says "designed to be fired with a single hand". ATF says that if you add a second grip then it is no longer designed to be fired with a single hand so they want the NFA tax as an Any Other Weapon. |
The ATF has specifically ruled that using "the strap" on the front of a SEMI-AUTO Mac is, in fact, an AOW and just as illegal as a solid vertical foregrip. So technically, YES, what the OP proposes would violate the ATF's "opinion" of what constitutes a handgun rather than an AOW.  Looks like a real Puppy slayer to me. I feel safer just knowing that the ATF won't let bad guys have one. 
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Well that sucks. Oh well. |
Never seen that one. Is it posted somewhere? Is one of ATF's official rulings, or just on a letter to someone somewhere? |
I'll look for it and see what I can find. IIRC, it was a ruling which was referenced over on a Mac10 board. |
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HEY! You guys ought to be GLAD that we have such wonderful people that care about the safety of our gangsters errrr uhhhh I mean civilians. LOL! Sometimes I just want to knock one of these "law makers" upside the head and ask, "What the hell does it matter?!!?!?". LOL! --Trav |
Aside from the fact that it "looks cool"  , the closer to the muzzle your VFG, the less muzzle climb you have when shooting. This, of course, is a huge benefit when you are using your bullet hose to shoot from the hip at all those baby kittens.
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Isn't the handguard there for the other hand to grip, thus it's designed to be fired with both hands. If it was trully designed to be fired with a single hand then there would just be a pistol grip and no handguards. So why aren't AR pistols with handguards AOW's? |
You said it twice. Not a grip. A heat guard how you use it is up to you just dont put a grip on it. |
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