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Posted: 2/15/2016 9:35:59 PM EDT
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I want to buy a precision AR, and after researching a little I need some help deciding. I've narrowed it down to these choices:
Ga precision GAP-10 ($3200ish) LaRue PredatOBR ($3400ish) DPMS REPR ($2600ish) I consider all of these in my budget, and I realize the REPR is probably a little lower end than the MaRie and GAP, but I have seen good reviews on the REPR. Obviously I'd like to pay less if possible, but I want a good gun. I am looking for a precision weapon capable of out to several hundred yards (500+) at sub MOA accuracy. So, recommendations? Anyone try any of these? Especially 2 or 3 of them? |
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I have a JP LRP-07 and I can't say enough good things about it. It's a solid shooter, light weight and JP's customer service is top notch. May want to add that to your list, its in the budget. Never heard of them. I'll look it up. Their really big in the 3 Gun world. My JP in .308 keeps up with my bolt .308s all day. |
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Looking online it looks like they run about the same price as a LaRge. What are the pros/find of a JP over a LaRue? (or just the best parts of the JP in your mind if you've never used a LaRue Quoted:
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I own a jp lrp07 and have been very happy Looking online it looks like they run about the same price as a LaRge. What are the pros/find of a JP over a LaRue? (or just the best parts of the JP in your mind if you've never used a LaRue The owner John Paul, is a perfectionist. The LRP-07 is a side charger, which is really cool, you never take your hand off the pistol grip or lose sight picture to charge the rifle. Everything is billet and beyond well made, pulling the bolt back feels like its on ball bearings. Its an easy 1/2 MOA with my handloads (175 SMK over 42gr of 4064) with their 18" light-profile barrel. Light, accurate, reliable. Top notch CS. I never knew about the LRP until I shot a buddies. I ordered mine the next day. |
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REPR is going to be a G2...fyi The other two are probably SR25/DPMS pattern... Current production REPR has been unchanged since 2012...? Are you saying they are changing over to a G2 based design? Because right now it is definitely not a G2. They are short stroke gas piston operated with a side charger, SR25/LR308 based but a lot of proprietary components. They are not as 'Precision' as others mentioned from what I have seen The gas piston operation will not be as inherently accurate as direct impingement thanks to the solid operating rod smacking the carrier. |
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Current production REPR has been unchanged since 2012...? Are you saying they are changing over to a G2 based design? Because right now it is definitely not a G2. They are short stroke gas piston operated with a side charger, SR25/LR308 based but a lot of proprietary components. They are not as 'Precision' as others mentioned from what I have seen The gas piston operation will not be as inherently accurate as direct impingement thanks to the solid operating rod smacking the carrier. Quoted:
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REPR is going to be a G2...fyi The other two are probably SR25/DPMS pattern... Current production REPR has been unchanged since 2012...? Are you saying they are changing over to a G2 based design? Because right now it is definitely not a G2. They are short stroke gas piston operated with a side charger, SR25/LR308 based but a lot of proprietary components. They are not as 'Precision' as others mentioned from what I have seen The gas piston operation will not be as inherently accurate as direct impingement thanks to the solid operating rod smacking the carrier. So are you saying I should pay the extra for one of the true precision ones? |
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How are the Larue's at reliably eating cheap surplus brass cased ammo?Same questions on JP's and the other premium 308's. I'm aware good ammo should be used for accuracy 
I have shot FGMM, BH and PMC, no issue. I will admit the JP has a tight chamber. The only time I have had issues is reloading once fired military SAW brass. I had to double size it and trim. It was also finicky when I suppressed it, took some fine tuning on the gas block to get it working right. |
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I have shot FGMM, BH and PMC, no issue. I will admit the JP has a tight chamber. The only time I have had issues is reloading once fired military SAW brass. I had to double size it and trim. It was also finicky when I suppressed it, took some fine tuning on the gas block to get it working right. Quoted:
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How are the Larue's at reliably eating cheap surplus brass cased ammo?Same questions on JP's and the other premium 308's. I'm aware good ammo should be used for accuracy
I have shot FGMM, BH and PMC, no issue. I will admit the JP has a tight chamber. The only time I have had issues is reloading once fired military SAW brass. I had to double size it and trim. It was also finicky when I suppressed it, took some fine tuning on the gas block to get it working right. I am interested in supressing whatever I get sometimes, so that is a factor |
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Anyone see any recent issues like this or had it been fixed?
http://www.m4carbine.net/archive/index.php/t-140955.html |
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So are you saying I should pay the extra for one of the true precision ones? Quoted:
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REPR is going to be a G2...fyi The other two are probably SR25/DPMS pattern... Current production REPR has been unchanged since 2012...? Are you saying they are changing over to a G2 based design? Because right now it is definitely not a G2. They are short stroke gas piston operated with a side charger, SR25/LR308 based but a lot of proprietary components. They are not as 'Precision' as others mentioned from what I have seen The gas piston operation will not be as inherently accurate as direct impingement thanks to the solid operating rod smacking the carrier. So are you saying I should pay the extra for one of the true precision ones? Lol well first off I screwed up. I misread your OP and thought you were talking about the LWRC REPR. The DPMS REPR is still NOT a G2. It has not been changed over. I would personally never pay that kind of money for a DPMS. All the others will be way more refined and likely shoot much better. JP, GP, LaRue, LMT. |
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Lol well first off I screwed up. I misread your OP and thought you were talking about the LWRC REPR. The DPMS REPR is still NOT a G2. It has not been changed over. I would personally never pay that kind of money for a DPMS. All the others will be way more refined and likely shoot much better. JP, GP, LaRue, LMT. Quoted:
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REPR is going to be a G2...fyi The other two are probably SR25/DPMS pattern... Current production REPR has been unchanged since 2012...? Are you saying they are changing over to a G2 based design? Because right now it is definitely not a G2. They are short stroke gas piston operated with a side charger, SR25/LR308 based but a lot of proprietary components. They are not as 'Precision' as others mentioned from what I have seen The gas piston operation will not be as inherently accurate as direct impingement thanks to the solid operating rod smacking the carrier. So are you saying I should pay the extra for one of the true precision ones? Lol well first off I screwed up. I misread your OP and thought you were talking about the LWRC REPR. The DPMS REPR is still NOT a G2. It has not been changed over. I would personally never pay that kind of money for a DPMS. All the others will be way more refined and likely shoot much better. JP, GP, LaRue, LMT. Yeah after doing a little more research I came to the same conclusion. I'm leaning towards the JP now. |
| I've had a GA Precision GAP10 for a couple of years. It is, by far, the most accurate rifle I have ever used. The only downsides, and I knew it going in, are it is heavy and it doesn't like cheap ammo. IMHO, you are looking at the right group of rifles and getting some good advice here. If I were in your position today the GAP10, JP, Larue, and LMT slick side would be on my short list. |
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I've had a GA Precision GAP10 for a couple of years. It is, by far, the most accurate rifle I have ever used. The only downsides, and I knew it going in, are it is heavy and it doesn't like cheap ammo. IMHO, you are looking at the right group of rifles and getting some good advice here. If I were in your position today the GAP10, JP, Larue, and LMT slick side would be on my short list. What is "cheap ammo" to you? Is it steel case? German military surplus? Basic Winchester brass? |
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Anyone see any recent issues like this or had it been fixed? http://www.m4carbine.net/archive/index.php/t-140955.html Man!...that's a damn fine article posted there. I see LRRP is one of the most informative sources in that thread, and I'm finding frequently that he has a very decent handle on big caliber and variant caliber AR's. I had never thought much about chamber design when using factory guns/barrels with quality, factory ammo. I just assumed everything should be copacetic...apparently it ain't. I've had a pair of Armalite AR10's for awhile now with no issue whatsoever..but...even they don't shoot everything with the desired results. However, after several AR15's and three bullpups, I've personally observed how critical this balance of chamber design, gas port size, gas system length, bullet selection, and several other issues can spoil or enhance performance and operation. That .308 chamber design is a bigger deal than I suspected when I got a Kel-Tec .308 RFB. It's sensitive to bullet weight and bullet design in a similar way that the Larue issue is mentioned in that linked thread, though not in as much an overpressure problem...just accuracy. I'm hardly putting that RFB in the same precision rifle category as the Larue or some others, but it just pointed out LRRP's observations to me very clearly. LRRP's advice is dead-on if you're looking to buy or build a precision AR rifle. Reports of accuracy problems and/or overpressure issues can definitely cause a good bit of heartburn in a gas gun, and his warnings about expecting even a high dollar precision gun to shoot 147g NATO FMJ and 175g match ammo with equal reliability and performance are something to consider. The precision AR rifle, especially in the variant caliber category, will probably not achieve your one-AR-for-all-uses desire. |
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I've had a GA Precision GAP10 for a couple of years. It is, by far, the most accurate rifle I have ever used. The only downsides, and I knew it going in, are it is heavy and it doesn't like cheap ammo. IMHO, you are looking at the right group of rifles and getting some good advice here. If I were in your position today the GAP10, JP, Larue, and LMT slick side would be on my short list. What is "cheap ammo" to you? Is it steel case? German military surplus? Basic Winchester brass? Basically "Yes" to all of the above. I use Federal Sierra Matchking and Copper Creek for best results. Winchester and PMC will run but accuracy suffers and if the loads are too light so does cycling. I never use steel case crap in anything; rifle or pistol. Never tried German military surplus. The way I look at it, if you have a precision rifle, use precision ammunition. |
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Another vote for GAP. My GAP 10 runs from .5 MOA to .7MOA on FGMM 175s and M118LR. When you start talking GAP, JP, and LRB, there is going to be more variation between the individual builds/bbls than there is between the rifles. IOW, they're all top notch. And they're all heavy and expensive.
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Thanks everybody! I decided to go with the JP for now. Now I gotta wait 2 months for them to build it. Maybe another day I'll get the others Awesome! I bet you'll have it before 2 months. I ordered mine back in the Newtown panic days, was literally given no ETA but 12 - 18 months was suggested. It showed up 6 months later. What are your build specs? |
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Another vote for GAP. My GAP 10 runs from .5 MOA to .7MOA on FGMM 175s and M118LR. When you start talking GAP, JP, and LRB, there is going to be more variation between the individual builds/bbls than there is between the rifles. IOW, they're all top notch. And they're all heavy and expensive. That would be my choice since they use Bartlein 5R barrels |
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Awesome! I bet you'll have it before 2 months. I ordered mine back in the Newtown panic days, was literally given no ETA but 12 - 18 months was suggested. It showed up 6 months later. What are your build specs? Quoted:
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Thanks everybody! I decided to go with the JP for now. Now I gotta wait 2 months for them to build it. Maybe another day I'll get the others Awesome! I bet you'll have it before 2 months. I ordered mine back in the Newtown panic days, was literally given no ETA but 12 - 18 months was suggested. It showed up 6 months later. What are your build specs? They said 8-10 weeks. Of course, I wouldn't mind sooner, but that seems reasonable. Specs: Upper Receiver: LRP-07 Upper Receiver Lower Receiver: LRP-07 Lower Receiver Receiver Finish:Matte Black Receiver Color Caliber: Caliber: .308 Win. Barrel: 20" .308 JP Supermatch™ cryogenically treated stainless steel barrel Barrel/Comp Finish: Black Teflon Muzzle Treatment: Surefire suppressor adapter Brake 7.62 NATO Muzzle Device Attachment: Jam nut Hand Guard: JP MK III Hand Guard - Rapid Configuration Tube Extra Extra Long (17.25” OAL) for AR-10 type rifle Requires minimized gas block Rails and Hand Guard Accessories: JP Tactical Rail for 12:00 position, 15" extra long length; JP Tactical Rail Kit, 2" Section (1); JP Tactical Rail Kit - 4" Section (3) Gas System: JP Adjustable Gas System Low profile .936" bore Black Aluminum Buttstock:Magpul PRS, Black. Includes NEW JP QD sling swivel mount. Bolt Assembly: JP High Pressure EnhancedBolt™ assembly, .308 Win. Operating System: JP .308 Low Mass Stainless Carrier Operating Spring: AR-10 Silent Captured Spring with heavy tungsten weights Trigger Style: Standard JP Trigger Trigger Weight: Enhanced Ignition Reliability Trigger JP Trigger Group with 3.5 - 4 lb. pull Safety Lever (Right): Standard Profile Lever Safety Lever (Left): Standard Profile Lever Safety Lever Color: Black Mag Catch Options: Standard AR Mag Catch Grip:Hogue grip, Black Lasermarking: Don't Tread On Me Accessory Kit and Packaging:Standard Large Frame Rifle Accessory Pack - Bulldog Case |
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Just a data point... in November around black Friday I got a dpms repr and dpms g2 new in box for 2600 combined. 1400ish for the repr from kygunco
Couldn't believe the price from the quoted Mrsp so I took a chance. Have not shot the repr yet, but the g2 is well worth the money. |
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Just a data point... in November around black Friday I got a dpms repr and dpms g2 new in box for 2600 combined. 1400ish for the repr from kygunco Couldn't believe the price from the quoted Mrsp so I took a chance. Have not shot the repr yet, but the g2 is well worth the money. Thanks for the heads up - I went with the JP because I wanted a high-end rifle, although I would like a cheaper one eventually too. My cousin has a GII, so I'll give that a try and see how it compares. But at that price, yeah, that's a killer deal. |
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