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Posted: 1/14/2015 11:28:22 AM EDT
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Here's what I want:
Reliable (who doesn't want that?) 18" or possibly 20" bbl. -Chrome lined or melonite. I'll consider SS. Though I'd like the gun to be accurate, I don't expect a tack driver. 1/10" twist Threaded/muzzle brake bbl preferred Takes P-Mags Budget is around $1500 This from Windham looks to fit the bill. I can't tell if it has a mid-length gas tube or what. 18" chrome lined bbl, 1/10" twist. I know WW's background, but don't know how reliable/quality their products are. I'm also considering the DPMS GII Hunter or the SASS - I know, SS, not chrome-lined bbls. or the S&W M&P. I'm also open to other suggestions. I don't want to build one and no, I don't want a 16" bbl (what a travesty and waste of powder  ).
Thanks. UBG |
| Is that M&P10 still on sale at PSA for $999? Sounds like a good deal if you're interested in that gun. Not sure I agree with your assessment of "travesty" in your statement. Probably not a good idea to kind of slam the 16-incher barrel folk when you're asking for advice since they're probably the majority of AR platform people on this forum. I tend to side with you on barrel length at 18-20 inches, especially for a .308, but you'll also get a boatload of knowledgeable shooters who love their 16-inchers for their preference. There are few absolutes in the AR world. As far as advice, I may have missed what you intend to use the rifle for in the end. I also tend to agree with you on purchasing a whole, built rifle from a single manufacturer for the large caliber AR platform. An excellent .308 AR can be built by an individual, but it can also be a little bit of a minefield in picking and matching all the fully compatible parts. Not a problem if you're fully experienced in that area as compared to the AR15. |
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Thanks, Artnc10. I saw that M&P 10 deal and it's tempting.
Since I put the after "travesty," I think those folks who like the 16" bbl. know that I'm yanking their chain in fun, even though I'm right. 
Also, my purpose is simply to have it and shoot for fun. I will definitely scope it (probably a 3-9 or something) and will possibly hunt with it (from a stand). |
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I was in your same boat. I looked high and low for the "perfect" .308win AR. There were a few must-haves, and it feeding from Magpul mags was at the top of the list. Accuracy was probably second even to this! I wanted it to already have a railed forearm, and no need for a front sight base on this one, as it was going to be a scoped long(ish) range hunting rifle.
I considered the Sig 716, but reports of its accuracy being less than acceptable were everywhere, and I can't stand a rifle that suffers in that department. I considered the DPMS, but never really embraced it. I considered the boutique rifles (Larue, LWRC, etc...), but the prices were prohibitive. I finally found a rifle that I could get excited about in the 2 VETS ARMS 2VA-10. It is a side-charging rifle with a sealed backend (no charging handle) so shooting suppressed should be much more enjoyable. It has a match 18" stainless barrel and match single-stage trigger. I haven't had a chance to shoot it, so no reviews nor recommendations at this time. I'm just hoping I made a good choice, and didn't waste my money when I should have just bitten the bullet and bought a Larue/LWRC. |
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I recently purchased an AR lower and would like to put together a .308. I'm way out of my league when it comes to parts and such.
In the interest of brevity are there any "got to haves", "good to haves", and "like to haves" when it comes to this platform? Sorry for the thread hijack but the topic got me thinking about going forward on this project basically by myself. |
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Check out the Armalites. Just be sure to get the models that accept Pmags. This one is close. It's a little on the heavy side and I'd rather have the chrome-lined bbl, but I consider it an option. At least it has the 1/10 twist and is in the price range (MSRP is usually 15% ish over street price). Thanks. |
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I was in your same boat. I looked high and low for the "perfect" .308win AR. There were a few must-haves, and it feeding from Magpul mags was at the top of the list. Accuracy was probably second even to this! I wanted it to already have a railed forearm, and no need for a front sight base on this one, as it was going to be a scoped long(ish) range hunting rifle. I considered the Sig 716, but reports of its accuracy being less than acceptable were everywhere, and I can't stand a rifle that suffers in that department. I considered the DPMS, but never really embraced it. I considered the boutique rifles (Larue, LWRC, etc...), but the prices were prohibitive. I finally found a rifle that I could get excited about in the 2 VETS ARMS 2VA-10. It is a side-charging rifle with a sealed backend (no charging handle) so shooting suppressed should be much more enjoyable. It has a match 18" stainless barrel and match single-stage trigger. I haven't had a chance to shoot it, so no reviews nor recommendations at this time. I'm just hoping I made a good choice, and didn't waste my money when I should have just bitten the bullet and bought a Larue/LWRC. I'll look at that. It sounds like it may be a little $$$. How much was yours? Thanks. |
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[Reliable (who doesn't want that?)
18" or possibly 20" bbl. -Chrome lined or melonite. I'll consider SS. Though I'd like the gun to be accurate, I don't expect a tack driver. 1/10" twist Threaded/muzzle brake bbl preferred Takes P-Mags Budget is around $1500 Though just a CH over 1500, I would consider a Ruger SR-762. Very nice rifle. |
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Though just a CH over 1500, I would consider a Ruger SR-762. Very nice rifle. Quoted:
[Reliable (who doesn't want that?)
18" or possibly 20" bbl. -Chrome lined or melonite. I'll consider SS. Though I'd like the gun to be accurate, I don't expect a tack driver. 1/10" twist Threaded/muzzle brake bbl preferred Takes P-Mags Budget is around $1500 Though just a CH over 1500, I would consider a Ruger SR-762. Very nice rifle. I did and thanks. I don't want a 16" bbl. I know, I'm being picky. If they made one in 18" or 20," then I'd be finished shopping. It really does sound like a nice piece of equipment for the $ from all the reviews and feedback I've read. |
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For a hunting gun, I would just get the G2 20" Hunter and be done with it, especially if you are going to 3x9 it and use it in stands.
You will be fast on the gun, it has the barrel length you want, is within budget, takes SR25 mags, and I think they're going to establish a reliability record to reach up to for other .308's on the market. |
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This one is close. It's a little on the heavy side and I'd rather have the chrome-lined bbl, but I consider it an option. At least it has the 1/10 twist and is in the price range (MSRP is usually 15% ish over street price). Thanks. Quoted:
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Check out the Armalites. Just be sure to get the models that accept Pmags. This one is close. It's a little on the heavy side and I'd rather have the chrome-lined bbl, but I consider it an option. At least it has the 1/10 twist and is in the price range (MSRP is usually 15% ish over street price). Thanks. For your needs and budget I would go Armalite all day every day. Although the DPMS versions above would be tempting. I would also recommend perhaps seeing if you could build what you wanted for your budget? |
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For a hunting gun, I would just get the G2 20" Hunter and be done with it, especially if you are going to 3x9 it and use it in stands. You will be fast on the gun, it has the barrel length you want, is within budget, takes SR25 mags, and I think they're going to establish a reliability record to reach up to for other .308's on the market. Good advice here as well. |
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I don't recommend the M&P 10. S&W does not sell barrels by themselves, so if something happens to yours (like it did to mine) or you wear it out, you have a $999 paperweight. It sucks being stuck with proprietary parts like that. I don't know if they sell BCGs separately, but you could possibly be in the same boat if you break that too, as it is proprietary.
That is one good thing about the old DPMS pattern (which the Windham is) -- lots of people make parts for it. The Windham should be alright -- it just has a heavier barrel profile than I like. I am really in your same boat as far as what I was looking for. My background was with .30 battle rifles like the M14, and I was looking for something similar in an AR platform, to take advantage of ease with optics mounting and the easy accuracy of the platform. However, I long ago found that the AR demographic is very different from battle rifle guys, and a long, light, skinny chrome lined barrel, like M-14 or FAL style, is not in demand with them. The most popular setups are either short barreled carbines, or heavy barreled long range precision rifles, so that is what the mfg's make. You can have light or long, but not both. Also chrome lined barrels are pretty hard to come by in anything other than 16". I've had a couple 18" barreled .308 ARs. You should realize that they are still very loud... as in uncomfortably loud for shooting without ear pro. A little better than a 16", but not much. This may affect your hunting situation... it sure did mine. A linear comp might help with that... I was getting ready to try one out before I decided to abandon the .308 AR for the time being and try the 6.8 SPC avenue. Anyway, good luck with your search. |
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I'll look at that. It sounds like it may be a little $$$. How much was yours? Thanks. Quoted:
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I was in your same boat. I looked high and low for the "perfect" .308win AR. There were a few must-haves, and it feeding from Magpul mags was at the top of the list. Accuracy was probably second even to this! I wanted it to already have a railed forearm, and no need for a front sight base on this one, as it was going to be a scoped long(ish) range hunting rifle. I considered the Sig 716, but reports of its accuracy being less than acceptable were everywhere, and I can't stand a rifle that suffers in that department. I considered the DPMS, but never really embraced it. I considered the boutique rifles (Larue, LWRC, etc...), but the prices were prohibitive. I finally found a rifle that I could get excited about in the 2 VETS ARMS 2VA-10. It is a side-charging rifle with a sealed backend (no charging handle) so shooting suppressed should be much more enjoyable. It has a match 18" stainless barrel and match single-stage trigger. I haven't had a chance to shoot it, so no reviews nor recommendations at this time. I'm just hoping I made a good choice, and didn't waste my money when I should have just bitten the bullet and bought a Larue/LWRC. I'll look at that. It sounds like it may be a little $$$. How much was yours? Thanks. I got mine for a little over $1,500.00. I thought it was too good to pass up. I think the MSRP is close to $1,800.00. |
| Thanks Henschman. Yeah, so far I've found that Sig makes some of their 716s with an 18" CL bbl and so does WW. Most other CL bbls are 16." The M&P 10 has the 18" melonite. I'm sure there are a couple of other CL options out there.. I'm just starting to look a little more seriously since I'd like to purchase in the next few months or at least by the beginning of summer. Who knows? Maybe I'll end-up w/ SS. I may go 6.8, too (but it will be a "get both" and go broke option). |
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