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Posted: 12/16/2014 2:16:44 PM EDT
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So thanks to my Brother in law I have my mind on a 308 variant AR. I have read endlessly on the various offerings but cant quite land on exactly what I want.
Here is what I know I am looking for: Reliable Accuracy (reasonably expect MOA with handloads) No Quad rail, I would like to be able to add a light at some point however 18" medium to heavy barrel Threaded muzzle for occasional suppressor use. It will likely end up with a Griffen compensator anyway. Budget: MAX of $2000. I would rather be about $1500 for rifle only The RRA X-1 rifle comes really really close to what I want. The only hangup is the FAL magazines. Any suggestions? |
| How about one of the many ubiquitous "SASS" offerings that many manufacturers offer? That setup generally comes with an 18" HBAR profile free floated barrel with threaded muzzle. The DPMS GII SASS would be a good one. Either that or the Recon. Either should be right in your price range. |
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Well perfect is far from what will be had for 2k. KAC is perfect. In the 2k range your best bet is a DPMS G2 with some nice glass. Somehow I think "perfect" may not exist at any price point. 2k is the top end for rifle alone, I'll sped another 1k or so on glass I expect and then a few hundred on brass, bullets dies etc. |
| Yeah, I thought that was an odd statement too. Though not new to rifles and other guns, I am new to the AR platform. I'm also around quite a few of our city's PD SWAT guys and have seen and heard of their experiences with their AR rifles. I wouldn't necessarily argue against the level of quality one obtains with a very high dollar gun of any kind...but...to say you can't get quality at a more decent price level is just not true. Plus, right now there are quite a few price drops on some very good rifles out there. I recently bought a new 20" barrel Armalite AR-10 in .308 for $1K. This model was several hundred dollars cheaper than just a short time ago. My same source had several other brands and models at noticeably reduced prices. I think quite a few others with much more AR-10 experience than myself would debate the idea that you can't some very decent quality at $2K or less right now. |
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Well...$2k is what I am willing to spend. I can not begin to justify a 3-5k rifle just as something to fool around with.
Currently the various 3gun targeted models seem to fit most of what I want. The DPMS version in particular because I like the trigger and handgaurd a lot. Stock may get changed but that is a little thing. Most of the 3 gun rifles are what I se as a pretty practical build concept. Smooth handgaurd, 18" barrel, good trigger...simple and effective. |
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1. Are you a Hunter? 2. Do you shoot alot of long range, or primarily long range, lets say 600 yards or more 3. Why all of a sudden hve you chosen to get into the large bore AR platforms? While I know you might be able to bring down a rhino with a .22 rifle with the magic shot, the best tool for the job is always debatable. Rather that have a safe full of rifles and the luxury to access them every time for every slightly different need, I think many of us are looking for the biggest footprint rifle that we can find...or at least the fewest rifles to cover the most applications. Now that I've stumbled into the AR-10 category, I think I've found my "all-rounder" rifle...a 20" barrel .308 AR. Due to lack of recoil, I think I "could" use this gun for nearly everything. It'll shoot long distance...it'll shoot a lot of bullets in the unlikely SHTF scenario...the bullet is powerful enough to kill just about any game...and it's just plain more fun than my Savage .308 bolt rifle. BTW, my .223 gun is the .243 AR-10 that I got at the same time...just for fun, of course. 
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1. Are you a Hunter? 2. Do you shoot alot of long range, or primarily long range, lets say 600 yards or more 3. Why all of a sudden hve you chosen to get into the large bore AR platforms? 1. Yes, deer and ducks mostly. I may use this occasionally on deer but I doubt I will do any duck hunting with it 
2. I do little long range shooting, but there are other guns in the safe built for that. I may stretch this one out at some point but it will primarily be a 300yard max gun. Picture for 1 & 2: Near to far they are...7-300WSM, 204Ruger, 7mm Rem Mag, Smokeless muzzleloader. All built or significantly modified by me. 
3. Because I want to? And...are you my wife? that question sounds familiar 
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While I know you might be able to bring down a rhino with a .22 rifle with the magic shot, the best tool for the job is always debatable. Rather that have a safe full of rifles and the luxury to access them every time for every slightly different need, I think many of us are looking for the biggest footprint rifle that we can find...or at least the fewest rifles to cover the most applications. Now that I've stumbled into the AR-10 category, I think I've found my "all-rounder" rifle...a 20" barrel .308 AR. Due to lack of recoil, I think I "could" use this gun for nearly everything. It'll shoot long distance...it'll shoot a lot of bullets in the unlikely SHTF scenario...the bullet is powerful enough to kill just about any game...and it's just plain more fun than my Savage .308 bolt rifle. BTW, my .223 gun is the .243 AR-10 that I got at the same time...just for fun, of course.
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1. Are you a Hunter? 2. Do you shoot alot of long range, or primarily long range, lets say 600 yards or more 3. Why all of a sudden hve you chosen to get into the large bore AR platforms? While I know you might be able to bring down a rhino with a .22 rifle with the magic shot, the best tool for the job is always debatable. Rather that have a safe full of rifles and the luxury to access them every time for every slightly different need, I think many of us are looking for the biggest footprint rifle that we can find...or at least the fewest rifles to cover the most applications. Now that I've stumbled into the AR-10 category, I think I've found my "all-rounder" rifle...a 20" barrel .308 AR. Due to lack of recoil, I think I "could" use this gun for nearly everything. It'll shoot long distance...it'll shoot a lot of bullets in the unlikely SHTF scenario...the bullet is powerful enough to kill just about any game...and it's just plain more fun than my Savage .308 bolt rifle. BTW, my .223 gun is the .243 AR-10 that I got at the same time...just for fun, of course.
I tend to find single purpose guns a little boring after awhile. A rifle that is capable of deer hunting today, punching paper tomorrow, coyotes on Saturday, and fighting off the FSA Zombies next week is pretty appealing! |
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I hate to be a downer butit sounds like with the guns you already have a .308 AR woul be a complte waste of money, Why not save that 2 or 3 grand and take a long range precision class or a 3 day fighting rifle class, or use to towards the price of a hunting lease.
300yards max is not even getting close to maximizing the potential of a 308, Hell with a heavy bullet I would shoot deer with a 5.56 at 300 yards. If youve got an AR, then look into 6.5 grendel or 300blk.upper just my opinion. I sure would love to see you maximize your money and get the most out of it and I dont think a lower tier .308 is the best way to go. Good luck |
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I hate to be a downer butit sounds like with the guns you already have a .308 AR woul be a complte waste of money, Why not save that 2 or 3 grand and take a long range precision class or a 3 day fighting rifle class, or use to towards the price of a hunting lease. 300yards max is not even getting close to maximizing the potential of a 308, Hell with a heavy bullet I would shoot deer with a 5.56 at 300 yards. If youve got an AR, then look into 6.5 grendel or 300blk.upper just my opinion. I sure would love to see you maximize your money and get the most out of it and I dont think a lower tier .308 is the best way to go. Good luck Thanks for the input, not trying to be a smartass here but it happens... but at least in this case "I want one" is going to have to suffice for a reason. I've done classes, held USPSA "A" classification, and IDPA Master... I have more land to hunt than time to hunt it and I just want a different toy! I have a Stag model 8 with a few upgrades (FF handgaurd, Geissele trigger, Griffen Brake) I have enjoyed the heck out of, and it has helped make me a much better off hand shot so Id like to play with something else along those lines. I also owned a .308 once and enjoyed the versatility of the round. I wound up swapping the barrel out and that gun is a stupid accurate 6BR now. Its not my last gun, just my next gun:) The one after that will likely be a 300BLK SBR...I don't need it either but they sure seem like fun! As to budget, I could buy the JP or KAC, or pretty much any other rifle I want...but having the money in the bank doesn't mean I want to spend it that way. With a $2k budget plus glass plus etc...I'm fairly sure I can get something I will enjoy and that will suit me just fine. |
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Thanks for the input, not trying to be a smartass here but it happens... but at least in this case "I want one" is going to have to suffice for a reason. I've done classes, held USPSA "A" classification, and IDPA Master... I have more land to hunt than time to hunt it and I just want a different toy! I have a Stag model 8 with a few upgrades (FF handgaurd, Geissele trigger, Griffen Brake) I have enjoyed the heck out of, and it has helped make me a much better off hand shot so Id like to play with something else along those lines. I also owned a .308 once and enjoyed the versatility of the round. I wound up swapping the barrel out and that gun is a stupid accurate 6BR now. Its not my last gun, just my next gun:) The one after that will likely be a 300BLK SBR...I don't need it either but they sure seem like fun! As to budget, I could buy the JP or KAC, or pretty much any other rifle I want...but having the money in the bank doesn't mean I want to spend it that way. With a $2k budget plus glass plus etc...I'm fairly sure I can get something I will enjoy and that will suit me just fine. Quoted:
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I hate to be a downer butit sounds like with the guns you already have a .308 AR woul be a complte waste of money, Why not save that 2 or 3 grand and take a long range precision class or a 3 day fighting rifle class, or use to towards the price of a hunting lease. 300yards max is not even getting close to maximizing the potential of a 308, Hell with a heavy bullet I would shoot deer with a 5.56 at 300 yards. If youve got an AR, then look into 6.5 grendel or 300blk.upper just my opinion. I sure would love to see you maximize your money and get the most out of it and I dont think a lower tier .308 is the best way to go. Good luck Thanks for the input, not trying to be a smartass here but it happens... but at least in this case "I want one" is going to have to suffice for a reason. I've done classes, held USPSA "A" classification, and IDPA Master... I have more land to hunt than time to hunt it and I just want a different toy! I have a Stag model 8 with a few upgrades (FF handgaurd, Geissele trigger, Griffen Brake) I have enjoyed the heck out of, and it has helped make me a much better off hand shot so Id like to play with something else along those lines. I also owned a .308 once and enjoyed the versatility of the round. I wound up swapping the barrel out and that gun is a stupid accurate 6BR now. Its not my last gun, just my next gun:) The one after that will likely be a 300BLK SBR...I don't need it either but they sure seem like fun! As to budget, I could buy the JP or KAC, or pretty much any other rifle I want...but having the money in the bank doesn't mean I want to spend it that way. With a $2k budget plus glass plus etc...I'm fairly sure I can get something I will enjoy and that will suit me just fine. KAC is selling refurbed SR-25's for like 3600$ if youve got the money to spend buy the best. Check out the KAC industry Forum |
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KAC is selling refurbed SR-25's for like 3600$ if youve got the money to spend buy the best. Check out the KAC industry Forum Quoted:
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I hate to be a downer butit sounds like with the guns you already have a .308 AR woul be a complte waste of money, Why not save that 2 or 3 grand and take a long range precision class or a 3 day fighting rifle class, or use to towards the price of a hunting lease. 300yards max is not even getting close to maximizing the potential of a 308, Hell with a heavy bullet I would shoot deer with a 5.56 at 300 yards. If youve got an AR, then look into 6.5 grendel or 300blk.upper just my opinion. I sure would love to see you maximize your money and get the most out of it and I dont think a lower tier .308 is the best way to go. Good luck Thanks for the input, not trying to be a smartass here but it happens... but at least in this case "I want one" is going to have to suffice for a reason. I've done classes, held USPSA "A" classification, and IDPA Master... I have more land to hunt than time to hunt it and I just want a different toy! I have a Stag model 8 with a few upgrades (FF handgaurd, Geissele trigger, Griffen Brake) I have enjoyed the heck out of, and it has helped make me a much better off hand shot so Id like to play with something else along those lines. I also owned a .308 once and enjoyed the versatility of the round. I wound up swapping the barrel out and that gun is a stupid accurate 6BR now. Its not my last gun, just my next gun:) The one after that will likely be a 300BLK SBR...I don't need it either but they sure seem like fun! As to budget, I could buy the JP or KAC, or pretty much any other rifle I want...but having the money in the bank doesn't mean I want to spend it that way. With a $2k budget plus glass plus etc...I'm fairly sure I can get something I will enjoy and that will suit me just fine. KAC is selling refurbed SR-25's for like 3600$ if youve got the money to spend buy the best. Check out the KAC industry Forum To my knowledge they were $3900 for grade C and those are long gone. I've been wrong before though. |
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To my knowledge they were $3900 for grade C and those are long gone. I've been wrong before though. Quoted:
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I hate to be a downer butit sounds like with the guns you already have a .308 AR woul be a complte waste of money, Why not save that 2 or 3 grand and take a long range precision class or a 3 day fighting rifle class, or use to towards the price of a hunting lease. 300yards max is not even getting close to maximizing the potential of a 308, Hell with a heavy bullet I would shoot deer with a 5.56 at 300 yards. If youve got an AR, then look into 6.5 grendel or 300blk.upper just my opinion. I sure would love to see you maximize your money and get the most out of it and I dont think a lower tier .308 is the best way to go. Good luck Thanks for the input, not trying to be a smartass here but it happens... but at least in this case "I want one" is going to have to suffice for a reason. I've done classes, held USPSA "A" classification, and IDPA Master... I have more land to hunt than time to hunt it and I just want a different toy! I have a Stag model 8 with a few upgrades (FF handgaurd, Geissele trigger, Griffen Brake) I have enjoyed the heck out of, and it has helped make me a much better off hand shot so Id like to play with something else along those lines. I also owned a .308 once and enjoyed the versatility of the round. I wound up swapping the barrel out and that gun is a stupid accurate 6BR now. Its not my last gun, just my next gun:) The one after that will likely be a 300BLK SBR...I don't need it either but they sure seem like fun! As to budget, I could buy the JP or KAC, or pretty much any other rifle I want...but having the money in the bank doesn't mean I want to spend it that way. With a $2k budget plus glass plus etc...I'm fairly sure I can get something I will enjoy and that will suit me just fine. KAC is selling refurbed SR-25's for like 3600$ if youve got the money to spend buy the best. Check out the KAC industry Forum To my knowledge they were $3900 for grade C and those are long gone. I've been wrong before though. Ive seen a few places, and I have two on order |
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You would be best off building your own with the specs you outlined. Discounting glass, I think you can get pretty close right now. Aero M5 receiver set: ~$350 JP Supermatch barrel and bolt ~$600 That leaves you $1,000 to finish it to your taste. The barrel is the only toss up...I'm told JP makes great stuff, but it's hard to say because there aren't a lot of reviews out there. |
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I agree, this is on my buy list. 
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Somehow I think "perfect" may not exist at any price point. 2k is the top end for rifle alone, I'll sped another 1k or so on glass I expect and then a few hundred on brass, bullets dies etc. Quoted:
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Well perfect is far from what will be had for 2k. KAC is perfect. In the 2k range your best bet is a DPMS G2 with some nice glass. Somehow I think "perfect" may not exist at any price point. 2k is the top end for rifle alone, I'll sped another 1k or so on glass I expect and then a few hundred on brass, bullets dies etc. Maybe not. But an SR25 is a close as its gonna get. I would get either the G2 hunter or Recon, make a couple mods as you see fit(I chopped my hunter down to 16") Add a Trijicon Vcog...3k well spent... |
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Discounting glass, I think you can get pretty close right now. Aero M5 receiver set: ~$350 JP Supermatch barrel and bolt ~$600 That leaves you $1,000 to finish it to your taste. The barrel is the only toss up...I'm told JP makes great stuff, but it's hard to say because there aren't a lot of reviews out there. Quoted:
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You would be best off building your own with the specs you outlined. Discounting glass, I think you can get pretty close right now. Aero M5 receiver set: ~$350 JP Supermatch barrel and bolt ~$600 That leaves you $1,000 to finish it to your taste. The barrel is the only toss up...I'm told JP makes great stuff, but it's hard to say because there aren't a lot of reviews out there. Very interesting...I like the look of that set from Aero. I'll have to research this route a little more. |
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