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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - 308 Mags....rate them (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/7/2013 7:23:17 AM EDT
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DPMS vs PMAG vs C-products vs no-name stainless vs other
Sorry...308 mags... And where? I see AIM was selling C-products for $13.99 but they are out of course. Bravo had Pmag 5-packs but they are out of course... |
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1 Larue 2 Knights PMags work fine, but they don't have as much room for longer bullets and they don't last like metal. The cartridges slamming around inside eventually chews up the inside causing malfunctions. I use them, but I consider them disposable. Do the metal mags last 8-12x as long as PMags (I don't know)? |
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1 Larue 2 Knights PMags work fine, but they don't have as much room for longer bullets and they don't last like metal. The cartridges slamming around inside eventually chews up the inside causing malfunctions. I use them, but I consider them disposable. Do the metal mags last 8-12x as long as PMags (I don't know)? I haven't done any scientific studies but I believe so. |
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Quoted: 1 Larue 2 Knights PMags work fine, but they don't have as much room for longer bullets and they don't last like metal. The cartridges slamming around inside eventually chews up the inside causing malfunctions. I use them, but I consider them disposable. I'm sure you have exhaustive scientific research to back up your bullshit? |
. I have not tryed the Gen III PMAGs. yet.
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Pmags are fantastic for the price. Don't get me wrong, I just kinda ecpected more. The 308 mags are not on the same par as their 556 mags. But for the price, you can't beat them. For crying out loud. OK, I'll ask. What more did you "ecpect" to get from a pmag? AM/FM in stereo? It's the same plastic, same basic design and same factories as the 5.56 mags. If you don't like them as much as something else, fine. But for the sake of technical discussion please detail their shortcomings and strengths of other mags. For example, I have not tried the ASC mags, but the DPMS mags tend to slice the brass at the sharp edge of the stamped metal lips. A few minutes with sandpaper helps a lot, but they are still only 19 rounders which is annoying. Magpul mags have been fine for me, although I'd like longer internal length. |
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1 Larue 2 Knights PMags work fine, but they don't have as much room for longer bullets and they don't last like metal. The cartridges slamming around inside eventually chews up the inside causing malfunctions. I use them, but I consider them disposable. I'm sure you have exhaustive scientific research to back up your bullshit? Yep,my bad. I just pulled that out of my ass. My friends and I don't regularly compete in heavy optics class of 3-gun and shoot thousands of rounds through our 308 ARs or anything like that. I'm not saying that the 308 PMags aren't a great value. They are, and I use them, but you generally get what you pay for and there's a reason that quality metal mags sell for several times the cost of a PMag. The OP didn't ask for a rating of 308 mag value. I might put Magpul mags at the top if that were the case. |
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1 Larue 2 Knights PMags work fine, but they don't have as much room for longer bullets and they don't last like metal. The cartridges slamming around inside eventually chews up the inside causing malfunctions. I use them, but I consider them disposable. yup, I agree with 100% |
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Never heard that claim before. Thats just rediculous. Quoted:
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The cartridges slamming around inside eventually chews up the inside causing malfunctions. Never heard that claim before. Thats just rediculous. 
That's one of mine. It doesn't have too many rounds through it because I primarily use Knights mags, but it's chewed up enough to cause considerable drag on the follower. Nice edit BTW. 
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1 Larue 2 Knights PMags work fine, but they don't have as much room for longer bullets and they don't last like metal. The cartridges slamming around inside eventually chews up the inside causing malfunctions. I use them, but I consider them disposable. yup, I agree with 100% Careful, you might get called a liar too. |
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I dont know how you are getting that with not too many rounds through it. Thats a first for me, mine look nothing like that with 400-500 rounds through one.
Not the first time I have been wrong, probably wont be the last. My bad. Is that with a .308 and whats the round count? That just still seems like a lot of force. |
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I dont know how you are getting that with not too many rounds through it. Thats a first for me. Is that with a .308. Whats the round count? Yes, it's a .308. That's under a thousand rounds through it. A friend who uses his more has some that got chewed up enough to start causing real problems. It's not hard to understand that the recoil of the 308 is moving the gun and thereby the magazine around a lot more than a 223 and the magazine is therefore slamming against much heavier cartridges with much more force, and the polymer doesn't hold up as well to repeated impacts. It's not rocket science. They're fine mags, but don't expect them to last for years under real use. IMHO anyone who thinks they are as good or better than quality metal mags is a fool. But what do I know? I must be one of those guys that just posts on the internet about guns and never shoots them.
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| FWIW, while I was at the Costa Ludus .308 class last November, Costa made a point to say that PMAGs are disposable. He recommended swapping out mags every time you replace your barrel. I'm not shooting my REPR or SR25 enough to wear out their barrels within the next 10 years but I guess if you are shooting your .308 that much then you should probably check your mags. In addition to my KAC mags, I have had good success with POF 25 rd mags. |
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FWIW, while I was at the Costa Ludus .308 class last November, Costa made a point to say that PMAGs are disposable. He recommended swapping out mags every time you replace your barrel. I'm not shooting my REPR or SR25 enough to wear out their barrels within the next 10 years but I guess if you are shooting your .308 that much then you should probably check your mags. In addition to my KAC mags, I have had good success with POF 25 rd mags. You're the first person I've heard that's had good luck with the 25 round POF mag. I wanted to get a couple, but I hadn't heard any good reviews. I believe they stopped producing them. |
| I don't know why it so hard fr some one to make an affordable metal mag for the A series rifles. I would venture into the A model if one existed. I don't care for plastic mags. I know they some advantage over metal mags but the benefits do not out weigh the cons for me. I like to have about 10-15 mags per rifle and there is no way I will spend $1,500 for 15 mags. I know the Larues are around $70 or so but that is still too much for me. |
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Are the DPMS mags really that bad? Can you smooth them up to increase reliability or are they just junk? Their biggest drawback is that they only hold 19 rounds. Due to the way the metal overlaps at the front of the mag they also don't have as much room for long bullets as the Knights or Larue mags. Oh, and they are spot welded as opposed to seam welded. I do know someone who replaced the original springs in some DPMS mags with Knights mag springs and was able to load 20 rounds, so that deficiency can be remedied. |
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For crying out loud. OK, I'll ask. What more did you "ecpect" to get from a pmag? AM/FM in stereo? It's the same plastic, same basic design and same factories as the 5.56 mags. If you don't like them as much as something else, fine. But for the sake of technical discussion please detail their shortcomings and strengths of other mags. For example, I have not tried the ASC mags, but the DPMS mags tend to slice the brass at the sharp edge of the stamped metal lips. A few minutes with sandpaper helps a lot, but they are still only 19 rounders which is annoying. Magpul mags have been fine for me, although I'd like longer internal length. Quoted:
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Pmags are fantastic for the price. Don't get me wrong, I just kinda ecpected more. The 308 mags are not on the same par as their 556 mags. But for the price, you can't beat them. For crying out loud. OK, I'll ask. What more did you "ecpect" to get from a pmag? AM/FM in stereo? It's the same plastic, same basic design and same factories as the 5.56 mags. If you don't like them as much as something else, fine. But for the sake of technical discussion please detail their shortcomings and strengths of other mags. For example, I have not tried the ASC mags, but the DPMS mags tend to slice the brass at the sharp edge of the stamped metal lips. A few minutes with sandpaper helps a lot, but they are still only 19 rounders which is annoying. Magpul mags have been fine for me, although I'd like longer internal length. I apologize if my typo offended you. I know it takes more brain power to figure out typos, so I apologize for giving you a head ache. The 308 mags are loose in my rifle, you can't get very long bullets in them. Mine only feed reliably with 150g fmj rounds, and I've had 4 jams so far with these mags. None with my LaRue mags. None with my 556 mags either. Sure they come from the same place, but just eXpected more from the 308 mags. But like I said, for the price they work. I certainly would rather have more LaRue mags, but at 75$ a pop, I can make do with what I've got for now. Please, feel free to point out anymore typos. I know seeing them must hurt your brain. |
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I apologize if my typo offended you. I know it takes more brain power to figure out typos, so I apologize for giving you a head ache. The 308 mags are loose in my rifle, you can't get very long bullets in them. Mine only feed reliably with 150g fmj rounds, and I've had 4 jams so far with these mags. None with my LaRue mags. None with my 556 mags either. Sure they come from the same place, but just eXpected more from the 308 mags. But like I said, for the price they work. I certainly would rather have more LaRue mags, but at 75$ a pop, I can make do with what I've got for now. Please, feel free to point out anymore typos. I know seeing them must hurt your brain. Quoted:
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Pmags are fantastic for the price. Don't get me wrong, I just kinda ecpected more. The 308 mags are not on the same par as their 556 mags. But for the price, you can't beat them. For crying out loud. OK, I'll ask. What more did you "ecpect" to get from a pmag? AM/FM in stereo? It's the same plastic, same basic design and same factories as the 5.56 mags. If you don't like them as much as something else, fine. But for the sake of technical discussion please detail their shortcomings and strengths of other mags. For example, I have not tried the ASC mags, but the DPMS mags tend to slice the brass at the sharp edge of the stamped metal lips. A few minutes with sandpaper helps a lot, but they are still only 19 rounders which is annoying. Magpul mags have been fine for me, although I'd like longer internal length. I apologize if my typo offended you. I know it takes more brain power to figure out typos, so I apologize for giving you a head ache. The 308 mags are loose in my rifle, you can't get very long bullets in them. Mine only feed reliably with 150g fmj rounds, and I've had 4 jams so far with these mags. None with my LaRue mags. None with my 556 mags either. Sure they come from the same place, but just eXpected more from the 308 mags. But like I said, for the price they work. I certainly would rather have more LaRue mags, but at 75$ a pop, I can make do with what I've got for now. Please, feel free to point out anymore typos. I know seeing them must hurt your brain. Just out of curiosity, what .308 platform are you running? |
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I have an MaTen. All the pmags I have seem loose, but feed fine for the most part. The 4 jams couldve been from everything being new, and they were all with the same mag. I only have 80rds through it so far from breaking in the barrel. 2 Full mags in the one pmag, and 1 Full mag from each LaRue. I had 2 jams from each fully loaded pmag. Small sample size for sure, but just giving my opinion. I like the pmags, but I was just expecting a tighter fit.
Unloaded, they are loose, but tighten up once fully loaded. The jams happened both times when there was 5 or 6rds left. I don't think they are out of spec, but since they are the new m3 style, maybe the bugs weren't quite worked out yet. I got the from Quantico Tactical as soon as they posted they have them in the EE. I'll definitely still buy more mainly because of the price. And I've never had a jam with my 556 mags. Like I said, pmags are great for the cost, Il definitely keep using them and will most likely buy more. New years I'll be putting 500rds down Range to fully break in the MaTen. Well see how the pmags work then. |
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1 Larue 2 Knights PMags work fine, but they don't have as much room for longer bullets and they don't last like metal. The cartridges slamming around inside eventually chews up the inside causing malfunctions. I use them, but I consider them disposable. yup, I agree with 100% Can't say I disagree that KAC and Larue are better, but all mags are disposable when you get down to it. Pmags are so cheap and plentiful that I've just stocked up on them. |
| The newer DPMS and Bushmaster mags. Hold 20rds. Work ok. I got a couple with my Bushmaster .308. They feed and function fine. I still like the Magpull mags and have had 100% reliability with them. The older DPMS (pre freedom group) Were only 19rds. The C-Products I sent back 2 times. Still would not work or hold 20rds. Very poor finish. I think the company went bankrupt. |
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Okay.... Pmags are good to go......there are others we can mention here.
Anyone have any experience with current production....I'm asking about current production b/c I see that some brands have updated their products.... ASC mags... the new 20 round DPMS mags.... Promags..... |
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I apologize if my typo offended you. I know it takes more brain power to figure out typos, so I apologize for giving you a head ache. The 308 mags are loose in my rifle, you can't get very long bullets in them. Mine only feed reliably with 150g fmj rounds, and I've had 4 jams so far with these mags. None with my LaRue mags. None with my 556 mags either. Sure they come from the same place, but just eXpected more from the 308 mags. But like I said, for the price they work. I certainly would rather have more LaRue mags, but at 75$ a pop, I can make do with what I've got for now. Please, feel free to point out anymore typos. I know seeing them must hurt your brain. Quoted:
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Pmags are fantastic for the price. Don't get me wrong, I just kinda ecpected more. The 308 mags are not on the same par as their 556 mags. But for the price, you can't beat them. For crying out loud. OK, I'll ask. What more did you "ecpect" to get from a pmag? AM/FM in stereo? It's the same plastic, same basic design and same factories as the 5.56 mags. If you don't like them as much as something else, fine. But for the sake of technical discussion please detail their shortcomings and strengths of other mags. For example, I have not tried the ASC mags, but the DPMS mags tend to slice the brass at the sharp edge of the stamped metal lips. A few minutes with sandpaper helps a lot, but they are still only 19 rounders which is annoying. Magpul mags have been fine for me, although I'd like longer internal length. I apologize if my typo offended you. I know it takes more brain power to figure out typos, so I apologize for giving you a head ache. The 308 mags are loose in my rifle, you can't get very long bullets in them. Mine only feed reliably with 150g fmj rounds, and I've had 4 jams so far with these mags. None with my LaRue mags. None with my 556 mags either. Sure they come from the same place, but just eXpected more from the 308 mags. But like I said, for the price they work. I certainly would rather have more LaRue mags, but at 75$ a pop, I can make do with what I've got for now. Please, feel free to point out anymore typos. I know seeing them must hurt your brain. Pro tip- spelling doesn't really matter if there is some meat to the rest of the post. You said they are not as nice as the 5.56 mags and I challenged you on that. I can see no design, material or constructive differences between the 5.56 mags and the 7.62 mags. The other posted a very descriptive picture (surprisingly. I love it when people can back up their statements) showing a weakness that I will likely never see due to my choice is caliber and bullets (6.5CM with AMAX bullets). This posts includes some details, although sparse. Good luck getting to the bottom of your feeding issues, there are so many potential sources for problems in the AR platform that I would be looking at a more holistic view before deciding that the magpul mag is bad based on poor performance in one owner assembled rifle. I am also interested in review of the ASC and other mags on the market. |
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I'm curious to hear about ASC mags as well. They purchased the old C-Products, right? Or are they formally C-Products? How is their quality these days? Also, do they date stamp? I've heard that they do not. Quoted:
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ASC mags... I'm curious to hear about ASC mags as well. They purchased the old C-Products, right? Or are they formally C-Products? How is their quality these days? Also, do they date stamp? I've heard that they do not. Ill be the guinea pig, just ordered two of them to try out. From their description they sound good. It would be great for someone to offer a quality steel mag that wasn't dipped in angel tears. |
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I've got a bunch of ASC mags bought from Midway as "Stoner" mags. They work fine so far, but I haven't really them that much to make a definitive statement on them. They seat and drop free, which is more than I can say for 75% of the CProducts garbage mags (old company and new) I've tortured myself with over the years. I'll add that my Gen2 PMAGs stick occasionally. I'm not enamored with them either.
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Ill be the guinea pig, just ordered two of them to try out. From their description they sound good. It would be great for someone to offer a quality steel mag that wasn't dipped in angel tears. Quoted:
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ASC mags... I'm curious to hear about ASC mags as well. They purchased the old C-Products, right? Or are they formally C-Products? How is their quality these days? Also, do they date stamp? I've heard that they do not. Ill be the guinea pig, just ordered two of them to try out. From their description they sound good. It would be great for someone to offer a quality steel mag that wasn't dipped in angel tears. Me too. Just ordered 4. Keep my fingers crossed. |
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Pikie1, is there a purpose to your post. I get nothing from it.
I have six of the new production ASC magazines coming that I am going to run in my Bushmaster .308 MOE rifle that was recently purchased. I shall advise on them once I have everything in one place and tested. |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - 308 Mags....rate them (Page 1 of 2)
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