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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - DPMS Accuracy and Reliability (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/14/2012 12:53:57 PM EDT
| So as I consider getting a DPMS REPR upon my return from deployment and having no personal experience with DPMS, what can I expect in terms of reliability and accuracy? |
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jmho but dpms and reliability don't go together. I'm glad somebody said it. DPMS was bought out by the Freedom Group. That should tell you enough to avoid them. eta: If all that deployment money is burning a hole in your pocket, and you have to have a .308 AR, I recommend building a Mega MATEN. |
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My DPMS has worked quite fine for the first couple thousand rounds. Mk12 .308. Very accurate too.  agree, mine prints sub .5 moa consistently with 3 5 shot groupings when I measure it. Given all the threads on colt, bcm, lmt (not even mentioning the mws horrendous accuracy issues) coupled with the fact that the dpms threads are littered with dpms owners showing prints of superb accuracy etc, you would be doing yourself a disservice by not looking at them. Hell, my dpms lr 308b prints moa with surplus aussie and port ammo. That said, there are 'better' rifles out there but are they that much better given the significant increase in costs? Just because a manufacture has across the line production and straight through processing doesn't mean the cost savings in end price mean it's cheap. Hell if that were the case, don't ever buy a colt, especially now that they are sold in wal-mart! |
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The DPMS tends to get a bad rap...this is deserving of their AR-15 products in many cases...but their LR-308 offerings are built to higher standards
and can be rather accurate and reliable considering the lower price point it serves in the market...There second gen mags are better or just buy some Pmags in 308 and not even worry about it... Good Luck. |
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Mine sucked right from the start. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_30/216450_Problems_with_a_new_LR_308L.html |
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Mine sucked right from the start. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_30/216450_Problems_with_a_new_LR_308L.html wow, what a clusterfk....If it makes you feel any better, I had to send back a noveske for feeding issues as well. Few things suck as much as a rifle that is not functioning. |
| My friend just bought a DPMS Oracle and out of the box its shooting sub-moa... he DOES tend the be the luckiest SOB on the face of the planet though. Dunno about reliability, its only a week old. Odd that it came COMPLETELY dry though. Not a DROP of lube in the whole gun. |
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Quoted: My friend just bought a DPMS Oracle and out of the box its shooting sub-moa... he DOES tend the be the luckiest SOB on the face of the planet though. Dunno about reliability, its only a week old. Odd that it came COMPLETELY dry though. Not a DROP of lube in the whole gun. Makes you wonder how they performed the 20 round test they claim they shoot out of every new rifle before it ships. |
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My friend just bought a DPMS Oracle and out of the box its shooting sub-moa... he DOES tend the be the luckiest SOB on the face of the planet though. Dunno about reliability, its only a week old. Odd that it came COMPLETELY dry though. Not a DROP of lube in the whole gun. Makes you wonder how they performed the 20 round test they claim they shoot out of every new rifle before it ships. actually no it doesn't. it's probable that after the function fire, they merely wiped it down vs a traditional cleaning and did not relube it. It doesn't matter really, every new rifle purchased should be inspected and lubed to specs. I can't fathom why this is a problem for people |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My friend just bought a DPMS Oracle and out of the box its shooting sub-moa... he DOES tend the be the luckiest SOB on the face of the planet though. Dunno about reliability, its only a week old. Odd that it came COMPLETELY dry though. Not a DROP of lube in the whole gun. Makes you wonder how they performed the 20 round test they claim they shoot out of every new rifle before it ships. actually no it doesn't. it's probable that after the function fire, they merely wiped it down vs a traditional cleaning and did not relube it. It doesn't matter really, every new rifle purchased should be inspected and lubed to specs. I can't fathom why this is a problem for people Because I got a POS that jammed on the second shot and then countless times again. There is no way in hell they shot it 20 times and had no failures like they claim. If you believe they test fired a rifle and then cleaned it afterwards and left no oil on it, I have some land you should buy. |
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My friend just bought a DPMS Oracle and out of the box its shooting sub-moa... he DOES tend the be the luckiest SOB on the face of the planet though. Dunno about reliability, its only a week old. Odd that it came COMPLETELY dry though. Not a DROP of lube in the whole gun. Makes you wonder how they performed the 20 round test they claim they shoot out of every new rifle before it ships. actually no it doesn't. it's probable that after the function fire, they merely wiped it down vs a traditional cleaning and did not relube it. It doesn't matter really, every new rifle purchased should be inspected and lubed to specs. I can't fathom why this is a problem for people Because I got a POS that jammed on the second shot and then countless times again. There is no way in hell they shot it 20 times and had no failures like they claim. If you believe they test fired a rifle and then cleaned it afterwards and left no oil on it, I have some land you should buy. you definitely got a lemon but lots of rifles from many makers are shipped with little to no lube. I've got almost 20 different ARs with most bought new and guess what, only a few were wet. Part of receiving any new firearm is inspecting and lubing it which not only common sense but a basic thing any half brained gump would do. I had to send back a Noveske, doesn't make them bad and doesn't mean they make crap products. |
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My friend just bought a DPMS Oracle and out of the box its shooting sub-moa... he DOES tend the be the luckiest SOB on the face of the planet though. Dunno about reliability, its only a week old. Odd that it came COMPLETELY dry though. Not a DROP of lube in the whole gun. Makes you wonder how they performed the 20 round test they claim they shoot out of every new rifle before it ships. actually no it doesn't. it's probable that after the function fire, they merely wiped it down vs a traditional cleaning and did not relube it. It doesn't matter really, every new rifle purchased should be inspected and lubed to specs. I can't fathom why this is a problem for people Because I got a POS that jammed on the second shot and then countless times again. There is no way in hell they shot it 20 times and had no failures like they claim. If you believe they test fired a rifle and then cleaned it afterwards and left no oil on it, I have some land you should buy. they use WD-40 to lube for testfireing. EVERY rifle gets 20 rounds befor it ships. the WD-40 is cheap and works good for testing, but will evaperate off before it reaches you. YOU need to lube your weapon |
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I'v owned more then a dozen DPMS AR's in several cals.
all have been 100% reliable. my 5.56 rifles will eat all of the commiblock steel cased ammo without a second thought. i do my training with my patrol rifle almost exclusivley with steel cassed. every DPMS rifle i have owned has also been better then MOA in accuracy. my DPMS SASS in .308 would shoot 3/4in 10 shot groups at 100. my DPMS REPR in .260rem with a 24in Kreiger bbl will shoot sub 1/4moa my 308 platform rifles get less dirty then my 5.56 DPMS rifles, but I have never had any issues. my 5.56 has gone a couple thousand rounds of tula and wolf without cleaning over a week long course. no malfunctions. |
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How come everyone blames the rifle and not the ammo?
I have two DPMS rifles. One in .308 and .338 and the .338 did give me a problem. It was because a new load came out for .338 that did not function well. I sent the gun back in and they opened up the port a little. Works fine with all .338 loads for now, unless the ammo manufacturers change something!!! They build them, they shoot them, then they swab the hell out of them with oil. Did you clean the gun before you hit the range? |
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Their large rifles are reliable with pMags and tend toward accurate to very accurate. The DPMS magazines are not noted as good products. DPMS makes the Remington R25 which has a good reputation for excellent accuracy.
Use good ammo, the weak point is the trigger. |
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amadeus76,
DPMS thanks you for your service! 
To help you out the accuracy on the 308 REPR is typically .75MOA with match ammo. As far as reliability with proper maitnence and quality ammo you will have no problems. Clearing up some of the muddy water here in this thread we do test fire all rifles. We do not clean or lubricate before shipping, the rifle must be field striped, cleaned and lubricated before shooting for proper function. And no we didn't "sell out" to the Freedom Group. Randy (former owner) sold the company to them as he wanted to retire and the business got to large for him to comfortably handle on a daily basis. Randy stayed on the board of directors for some time before completely retiring. Now that he is "retired" he is a current member of the DPMS 3gun shooting team competing at events across the country. |
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I had a DPMS LR-308 with a fluted, 24" tube that I put 736 rounds through before I sold it. I had one failure to feed, and I believe that was my error when I rode the charging handle forward. Otherwise, the gun ran beautifully. We ran approximately 140 rounds through it at one sitting at a machine gun shoot and the gun never skipped a beat. The best group I shot was with Hornady 168 grn Amax––a 5-round, 5/8" group at 100. Most groups would hover at or a hair above the 1 MOA mark. Although the gun seemed to prefer the aforementioned Amax load, it shot surprisingly well with Fed Am Eagle 168 HPBT they sell in a box marked for the M1A. I never tried to work up handloads for the gun.
I now have another DPMS LR, this one chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor. I got the gun for less than $1000, and that included shipping and the FFL fee. I think I had a couple failures to feed during the first 20 or 40 rounds, but since then the gun has performed fine. The first group I shot was 1/2 to 5/8", but groups since then have hovered at the 1 MOA mark. I'm currently shooting only factory Hornady 120 and 140 grn loads, though I do plan to reload for the gun. Can you get a more accurate gun? Sure. My .264 LBC (Grendel) tube from Les Baer shoots tighter groups with factory ammo and has printed a single, ragged hole with my handloads, but the barrel alone cost more than half of either of my DPMS LRs. For the money, it's really hard to beat the value of a DPMS. |
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Be prepared to wait, it takes awhile for them to build and ship with the "backlog" they are still experiencing at the DPMS factory. I just got mine, I ordered it in black.
The prices did go up but it is still a pretty good buy in the .308 world. They no longer come with the Harris Bi-pod as a stock accessorie so read the specs carefully and even contact them for wait times. They appear to be a well made rifle with a good reputation with current owners but there will always be bad apples out there. Good luck.The backlog gives you plenty of time to get your gear set-up. |
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Quoted: how many shots for that group 3, 5, 10?To help you out the accuracy on the 308 REPR is typically .75MOA with match ammo. As far as reliability with proper maitnence and quality ammo you will have no problems. Since we have a rep, it would be nice for some quantification. |
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We only measure 5 shot groups at 100 yards when we talk about the accuracy.
And to answer the other question about the "308 built to a higher standard" we do not have different standard levels. For example the common parts between the LR-308's and our AR's are pulled from the same bin as they are the same parts. An example would be fire control groups, stocks, grips, ect... |
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Quoted: We only measure 5 shot groups at 100 yards when we talk about the accuracy. And to answer the other question about the "308 built to a higher standard" we do not have different standard levels. For example the common parts between the LR-308's and our AR's are pulled from the same bin as they are the same parts. An example would be fire control groups, stocks, grips, ect... TM |
| I have a Remington R-15 in 30 Rem AR that is a few months old. Has been completely reliable other than with a mag that turned out to be defective. Have been involved in working up loads, the cartridge took some time to get used to, Redding die instructions damaged the cases. The only accuracy test so far was 6 shots @ 50 in 0.45" Don |
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Quoted: We only measure 5 shot groups at 100 yards when we talk about the accuracy. And to answer the other question about the "308 built to a higher standard" we do not have different standard levels. For example the common parts between the LR-308's and our AR's are pulled from the same bin as they are the same parts. An example would be fire control groups, stocks, grips, ect... To address my issue I linked above... It appears that the wrong buffer or buffer spring was put in mine. It appears it was a combination of tight chamber and/or wrong buffer or buffer spring. For the record I cleaned it very well and lubed it before I ever shot it. After the first day of shooting it with a jam every two or three rounds I cleaned and lubed it again with so much lube it was coming out of every gap and pin hole. It still jammed until it went boom. I replaced the barrel and bolt and it still would jam, just not as frequently. I then changed the buffer and spring with DPMS rifle buffer and spring that I bought from Midway and it runs much better. The spring I got from Midway was longer than the spring that came in the rifle.. I feel quite confident that the wrong spring was put in it and that is what caused most of the problem . The way your company treated me was very poor and has left a bad taste in my mouth. |
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Mine sucked right from the start. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_30/216450_Problems_with_a_new_LR_308L.html wow, what a clusterfk....If it makes you feel any better, I had to send back a noveske for feeding issues as well. Few things suck as much as a rifle that is not functioning. No F'ing way, this can't be true. Sometimes it seems that people forget that bad things can happen to ALL brands. That said. I have a LR-308 that I built myself. I had 1 fail to feed on the second round and none since. I also had 1 fail to fire but that was with some silver bear. I only have about 500 rounds through it. With 5 shot groups it prints MOA if not a little better. All of my ammo now are reloads in the 168-178 gr range. I thought on my last trip out something was f'ed up, turns out my scope mount was loose. In my limited experience with DPMS ( I also bought an A1 barrel from them) I received great customer service and my order was shipped fast and was accurate. IMO you get a great bang for your buck, pun intended, with their LR platform. [edit] Woops, there goes my warranty 
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Mine sucked right from the start. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_30/216450_Problems_with_a_new_LR_308L.html wow, what a clusterfk....If it makes you feel any better, I had to send back a noveske for feeding issues as well. Few things suck as much as a rifle that is not functioning. No F'ing way, this can't be true. Sometimes it seems that people forget that bad things can happen to ALL brands. That said. I have a LR-308 that I built myself. I had 1 fail to feed on the second round and none since. I also had 1 fail to fire but that was with some silver bear. I only have about 500 rounds through it. With 5 shot groups it prints MOA if not a little better. All of my ammo now are reloads in the 168-178 gr range. I thought on my last trip out something was f'ed up, turns out my scope mount was loose. In my limited experience with DPMS ( I also bought an A1 barrel from them) I received great customer service and my order was shipped fast and was accurate. IMO you get a great bang for your buck, pun intended, with their LR platform. It is 100% true that a bad product can get out into the consumers hands. But the way the consumer is treated after receiving the bad product is what a person needs to know. It is sad when a company does not care about that bad product when they have lines of people waiting for their products. They could have made this right but they just shit all over me. That stinks. |
| For the record Banditman you did not want to send in your upper for us to inspect. You had a catastrophic failure shooting Wolf ammo which we do void the warranty because of those very issues. After the catastrophic failure you wanted us to give you free parts with out you sending the upper back to DPMS. We cannot understand your reasoning on this but we wanted to help out the situation, you refused the offer. |
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Quoted: For the record Banditman you did not want to send in your upper for us to inspect. You had a catastrophic failure shooting Wolf ammo which we do void the warranty because of those very issues. After the catastrophic failure you wanted us to give you free parts with out you sending the upper back to DPMS. We cannot understand your reasoning on this but we wanted to help out the situation, you refused the offer. Please stop spreading falsehoods... You must have my issue mixed up with someone else. I took full responsibility for shooting wolf and accepted the warranty voided. I asked Mike if I could to BUY a barrel and bolt at your cost. I did not ask for anything free. This is documented in the other thread. I even gave Mike my CC number to charge the parts cost to. Mike agreed to sell the parts at cost but wanted me to send in the upper. I explained that I did not want to wait longer and I have the proper tools to install the barrel but Mike refused to send the parts to me. Mike said it was a liability issue. I said that I did not understand how that could be since you sell parts like that all of the time. I just wanted my 1300 rifle to function properly. I find it odd that you have not addressed the issued with the buffer/spring. It appears there was an issue with timing and that contributed to the wolf blowing the case head off and all the jamming. The bolt was coming open before the pressure had dropped enough. |
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besides you saying so, this in not true.
...but their LR-308 offerings are built to higher standards show me where they have the "better parts" for the 308 lines Perhaps I should clarify that in saying from what I seen, handled & fired (LR-308, 24" bbl A3) the 308 version of their rifles (their lower reciever group in particular) seems tighter and is more accurate vs. their .223/5.56mm version in the AR-15 class, many parts are different in the LR-308 version, perhaps the tolerances or QC is higher on the 308 version since it is in a slightly higher price point...JMHO. It seemed to me that when I compared the DPMS AR-15 version in 223 vs. the DPMS LR-308 version the fit, finish, and overall accuracy was better on the LR-308. Thanks. |
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For what it is worth, I have a DPMS in 223 and one in 6.8. Both have been completely reliable and both are more accurate than I am as long as I use good ammo. GMM in the 223 will have .75 to 1 inch 5 shot groups at 100 yards. The 6.8 does just as well with SSA ammo with the 110 grain hunter bullets.
The only 308 experience I have on an AR is a new Armalite that a buddy has and an RRA that my brother has. Both of them will produce sub 1 in groups with GMM 168s. With the 149 gr BVAC they are both in the 2 to 2.5 in range. |
| Sometimes I think that the service you get from a company ='s the service you deserve based on attitude going into the situation. I just got a lower receiver back today from DPMS that I fucked up. I sent the lower receiver back with a description of what I did, and it was fixed beyond my expectations and for FREE on top of that. I never ran my mouth about DPMS on a forum either but hey to each their own.... |
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For the record Banditman you did not want to send in your upper for us to inspect. You had a catastrophic failure shooting Wolf ammo which we do void the warranty because of those very issues. After the catastrophic failure you wanted us to give you free parts with out you sending the upper back to DPMS. We cannot understand your reasoning on this but we wanted to help out the situation, you refused the offer. Please stop spreading falsehoods... You must have my issue mixed up with someone else. I took full responsibility for shooting wolf and accepted the warranty voided. I asked Mike if I could to BUY a barrel and bolt at your cost. I did not ask for anything free. This is documented in the other thread. I even gave Mike my CC number to charge the parts cost to. Mike agreed to sell the parts at cost but wanted me to send in the upper. I explained that I did not want to wait longer and I have the proper tools to install the barrel but Mike refused to send the parts to me. Mike said it was a liability issue. I said that I did not understand how that could be since you sell parts like that all of the time. I just wanted my 1300 rifle to function properly. I find it odd that you have not addressed the issued with the buffer/spring. It appears there was an issue with timing and that contributed to the wolf blowing the case head off and all the jamming. The bolt was coming open before the pressure had dropped enough. I'm not sure I understand how shooting ammo that voids the warranty, refusing to send the upper back to DPMS for them to look at, and then getting upset that they won't sell you parts at their cost somehow equals "they just shit all over me". And for what it's worth, if the gun had a catastrophic failure I can see why they would want to inspect the upper before sending you parts at cost which they had no obligation to do. I have a couple LR 308's (one SASS and one AP4) and both have run well for me. I don't have nearly the round count through them that I have through my 5.56 guns (a few of which are also DPMS) but I can't bitch about reliability or accuracy in either caliber. I did have a gas block come loose on one DPMS upper I have but it was a gas block I installed after taking off the standard one so I certainly can't blame DPMS. I pinned it in place shortly after (it was a set screw block) and the rifle has run through several thousand rounds since without issue. |
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Thanks Kevin. I'm a little surprised at that. Companies like Smith & Wesson have remarks in their owner's manuals saying not to use reloaded ammo but they know full well that any serious shooter using something like their .500 Mags, of which I have two and reload for, reloads because factory ammo is absurdly expensive. Having said that, they do warranty repairs unless it is obvious that something stupid like putting a full case of Bullseye in place of slow burning powder caused a massive over pressure situation. Personally, I would like to know some of their test results that caused the lengthy list of prohibited ammo, perhaps they have valid reasons for their restrictions. Don |
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Originally Posted By Altair I'm not sure I understand how shooting ammo that voids the warranty, refusing to send the upper back to DPMS for them to look at, and then getting upset that they won't sell you parts at their cost somehow equals "they just shit all over me". And for what it's worth, if the gun had a catastrophic failure I can see why they would want to inspect the upper before sending you parts at cost which they had no obligation to do. Sending the RIFLE back to them is what they asked me to do after the kaboom. I was very cordial through the whole thing. But why do I need to send back the whole rifle when they told me I voided the warranty? You see how I was treated by them in this thread? Accused of looking for a free ride that's how. And that was in no way shape or form true. Notice I asked questions about the buffer spring and I get no response? The rifle was malfunctioning before the kaboom. They blamed the ammo though, not the wolf. They said that it must be the federal gold medal or the Privi ammo. I felt getting the repair parts at cost was more than a reasonable solution to the problem considering it was not right to begin with. |
| I have a 7.62 AP4 and one 5.56 dpms, among several other brands. No issues other than the 7.62 magazines which I fixed by buying some PMAGS. Both run flawless and are very accurate. Can't say anything negative about them, and customer service is very good in my opinion. |
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I'm not sure I understand how shooting ammo that voids the warranty, refusing to send the upper back to DPMS for them to look at, and then getting upset that they won't sell you parts at their cost somehow equals "they just shit all over me". And for what it's worth, if the gun had a catastrophic failure I can see why they would want to inspect the upper before sending you parts at cost which they had no obligation to do. Sending the RIFLE back to them is what they asked me to do after the kaboom. I was very cordial through the whole thing. But why do I need to send back the whole rifle when they told me I voided the warranty? You see how I was treated by them in this thread? Accused of looking for a free ride that's how. And that was in no way shape or form true. Notice I asked questions about the buffer spring and I get no response? The rifle was malfunctioning before the kaboom. They blamed the ammo though, not the wolf. They said that it must be the federal gold medal or the Privi ammo. I felt getting the repair parts at cost was more than a reasonable solution to the problem considering it was not right to begin with. They wanted to analyze what went wrong as previously stated. What are you going to do with a busted up, non-functional rifle? Who knows maybe they would have found something more wrong and decided to not charge you for repair/parts? I fail to see how there could be a timing issue with the spring and buffer? They only resist against the pressure created by the gas. You can run ARs on no gas and charge it after each round. There would have had to be something wrong with the gas port, chamber, or bolt/extension lock up. ETA - Spring and buffer are only going to allow the action to cycle faster or slower resulting in short stroking or excessive recoil. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Originally Posted By Altair I'm not sure I understand how shooting ammo that voids the warranty, refusing to send the upper back to DPMS for them to look at, and then getting upset that they won't sell you parts at their cost somehow equals "they just shit all over me". And for what it's worth, if the gun had a catastrophic failure I can see why they would want to inspect the upper before sending you parts at cost which they had no obligation to do. Sending the RIFLE back to them is what they asked me to do after the kaboom. I was very cordial through the whole thing. But why do I need to send back the whole rifle when they told me I voided the warranty? You see how I was treated by them in this thread? Accused of looking for a free ride that's how. And that was in no way shape or form true. Notice I asked questions about the buffer spring and I get no response? The rifle was malfunctioning before the kaboom. They blamed the ammo though, not the wolf. They said that it must be the federal gold medal or the Privi ammo. I felt getting the repair parts at cost was more than a reasonable solution to the problem considering it was not right to begin with. They wanted to analyze what went wrong as previously stated. What are you going to do with a busted up, non-functional rifle? Who knows maybe they would have found something more wrong and decided to not charge you for repair/parts? I fail to see how there could be a timing issue with the spring and buffer? They only resist against the pressure created by the gas. You can run ARs on no gas and charge it after each round. There would have had to be something wrong with the gas port, chamber, or bolt/extension lock up. ETA - Spring and buffer are only going to allow the action to cycle faster or slower resulting in short stroking or excessive recoil. Please stop. You apparently do not know what you are talking about. I don't owe them the right to analyze anything if they are not going to warranty it. The only thing busted up was the barrel. I replaced the barrel. I also replaced the bolt for safety reasons. I later replaced the Buffer and spring and now have a functioning rifle. When I called them to make my first complaint they ENCOURAGED me to shoot it more. They said it takes time for it to break it. I was told to lube it good and to shoot it more and it should wear in. I was given the option to send it in after I expressed my concern for this. I made a bad choice and followed their advice to shoot it. So I shot it one more time before sending it in. I was running out of ammo and used some wolf I had in my bag and it went boom. Keep in mind that this wolf was from a lot of 500 that has functioned flawlessly in My FAL, BLR and another bolt action rifle with no signs of overpressure. I had shot about 300 rounds of it prior. But they do not warranty if for shooting wolf. I did not even press the issue even though I did and do not believe it was an issue caused buy the ammo. |
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I'm not sure I understand how shooting ammo that voids the warranty, refusing to send the upper back to DPMS for them to look at, and then getting upset that they won't sell you parts at their cost somehow equals "they just shit all over me". And for what it's worth, if the gun had a catastrophic failure I can see why they would want to inspect the upper before sending you parts at cost which they had no obligation to do. Sending the RIFLE back to them is what they asked me to do after the kaboom. I was very cordial through the whole thing. But why do I need to send back the whole rifle when they told me I voided the warranty? You see how I was treated by them in this thread? Accused of looking for a free ride that's how. And that was in no way shape or form true. Notice I asked questions about the buffer spring and I get no response? The rifle was malfunctioning before the kaboom. They blamed the ammo though, not the wolf. They said that it must be the federal gold medal or the Privi ammo. I felt getting the repair parts at cost was more than a reasonable solution to the problem considering it was not right to begin with. They wanted to analyze what went wrong as previously stated. What are you going to do with a busted up, non-functional rifle? Who knows maybe they would have found something more wrong and decided to not charge you for repair/parts? I fail to see how there could be a timing issue with the spring and buffer? They only resist against the pressure created by the gas. You can run ARs on no gas and charge it after each round. There would have had to be something wrong with the gas port, chamber, or bolt/extension lock up. ETA - Spring and buffer are only going to allow the action to cycle faster or slower resulting in short stroking or excessive recoil. Please stop. You apparently do not know what you are talking about. I don't owe them the right to analyze anything if they are not going to warranty it. The only thing busted up was the barrel. I replaced the barrel. I also replaced the bolt for safety reasons. I later replaced the Buffer and spring and now have a functioning rifle. When I called them to make my first complaint they ENCOURAGED me to shoot it more. They said it takes time for it to break it. I was told to lube it good and to shoot it more and it should wear in. I was given the option to send it in after I expressed my concern for this. I made a bad choice and followed their advice to shoot it. So I shot it one more time before sending it in. I was running out of ammo and used some wolf I had in my bag and it went boom. Keep in mind that this wolf was from a lot of 500 that has functioned flawlessly in My FAL, BLR and another bolt action rifle with no signs of overpressure. I had shot about 300 rounds of it prior. But they do not warranty if for shooting wolf. I did not even press the issue even though I did and do not believe it was an issue caused buy the ammo. Ok so educate me how the buffer and spring was a problem? |
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