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Posted: 8/18/2011 7:30:34 AM EDT
| ar performance has a basic 16inch barrel with mid lenght gas for $550 and dpms has a standard m4 upper in 6.8 for $614. is arperformance better? |
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ar performance has a basic 16inch barrel with mid lenght gas for $550 and dpms has a standard m4 upper in 6.8 for $614. is arperformance better? I would pay to take a full power shot from H and one of his products over DPMS w/a reach around... technically speaking. |
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Quoted: ar performance has a basic 16inch barrel with mid lenght gas for $550 and dpms has a standard m4 upper in 6.8 for $614. is arperformance better? I would never compare Harrison's builds with DPMS. It is like comparing a BMW to a Tata. FWIW, I consider the Stag 5H a better deal than the DPMS, but would take an ITS upper over either. |
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And don't forget PSA's 6.8 uppers.
PSA Uppers When its in stock, their 18" SS 6.8 commands alot of attention for (i think) $399. |
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.420 inch 5 shot groups at 100yds with 90TNTs, This load will do sub .5 moa consistently 3 other handloads plus Two factory Hornady-4 factory SSA loads, all around .75 moa at 100yds. One load over 1moa-SSA 110Prohunters. All others will do .5 moa if I do my job. Don't always do my part though, hence the .75 and 1 moa on some loads. I have a friend that has done less than 1moa with loads I can't shoot well in my rifle. That 90TNT load at 2925fps ( RE 7), at 300 yards from a prone position was consistently under 2 inches for 5 shots, and a best of 1.3 inches. 500 yards was around 3 inches for best, and averaged about 4 inches. Don't think you'll find too many much better than AR Performance. |
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AR Performance is the bomb - here's my newest baby, "Snookums" Nice rifle. Does ARP produce SBR barrels or did you have to get it chopped elsewhere? They chopped it for me - put one of their compensators on it as well - it has 8 threaded holes and comes with 8 setscrews so I can modify which holes to close or have open. I love its performance. |
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AR Performance is the bomb - here's my newest baby, "Snookums" http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/greywolf2112/P52600011024x768.jpg http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/greywolf2112/P52600021024x768-1.jpg http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/greywolf2112/P52600041024x768-1.jpg http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/greywolf2112/P52600031024x768-1.jpg Who makes that grip? I'm diggin' it! |
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AR Performance is the bomb - here's my newest baby, "Snookums" http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/greywolf2112/P52600011024x768.jpg http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/greywolf2112/P52600021024x768-1.jpg http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/greywolf2112/P52600041024x768-1.jpg http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/greywolf2112/P52600031024x768-1.jpg Who makes that grip? I'm diggin' it! CAA. Have a black one on my old A2 despite being a giant consumer of magpul koolaid. |
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I have a White Oak custom built 6.8 upper. Not the cheapest - but if you are going to consider Noveske you should certainly consider White Oak. +1, WOA's 4 groove 6.8 barrels are made with Shilen blanks and are the best on the market IMO, same barrels Rainier Arms uses for their 6.8 UM barrels, I have one of each and they both shoot ragged hole groups. |
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There are a few barrels on the market for $200 and under that can produce 1/2" groups if the shooter can shoot that well. There is no such thing as an "ultra-match" except in marketing hype. Ultra match/Select match as Shilen calls it or Super match as Pac Nor calls it, it's a higher grade of match barrel held to tighter tolerances, not quite marketing hype IMO. Since 95% of the companies selling AR "match" barrels are not even selling real match barrels the ones that are should call their barrels something to let people know the barrels are better than what most call a match barrel which in most cases are just SS production barrels that may be lapped or air gauged to who know what tolerance. What good does it do to say your barrels are air gauged unless you tell your customers to what uniformity they are held, if they are gauged and the bore doesn't vary more than .0001" for the entire length of the barrel then then you have a true match barrel but if they are gauged and held to a .001" variation then they are no better than any other production barrel despite being air gauged and most people that sell air gauged barrels(a few come to mind) don't tell you that information. |
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There are a few barrels on the market for $200 and under that can produce 1/2" groups if the shooter can shoot that well. There is no such thing as an "ultra-match" except in marketing hype. Ultra match/Select match as Shilen calls it or Super match as Pac Nor calls it, it's a higher grade of match barrel held to tighter tolerances, not quite marketing hype IMO. Since 95% of the companies selling AR "match" barrels are not even selling real match barrels the ones that are should call their barrels something to let people know the barrels are better than what most call a match barrel which in most cases are just SS production barrels that may be lapped or air gauged to who know what tolerance. What good does it do to say your barrels are air gauged unless you tell your customers to what uniformity they are held, if they are gauged and the bore doesn't vary more than .0001" for the entire length of the barrel then then you have a true match barrel but if they are gauged and held to a .001" variation then they are no better than any other production barrel despite being air gauged and most people that sell air gauged barrels(a few come to mind) don't tell you that information. So is my rainier arms select barrel made from the select match blanks? |
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AR Performance is the bomb - here's my newest baby, "Snookums" http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/greywolf2112/P52600011024x768.jpg http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/greywolf2112/P52600021024x768-1.jpg http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/greywolf2112/P52600041024x768-1.jpg http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/greywolf2112/P52600031024x768-1.jpg Who makes that grip? I'm diggin' it! CAA. Have a black one on my old A2 despite being a giant consumer of magpul koolaid. I love the CAA grips - I love Magpul for almost everything else, but the CAA grips are what goes on all my rifles now - the soft rubber feels really good. |
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There are a few barrels on the market for $200 and under that can produce 1/2" groups if the shooter can shoot that well. There is no such thing as an "ultra-match" except in marketing hype. Ultra match/Select match as Shilen calls it or Super match as Pac Nor calls it, it's a higher grade of match barrel held to tighter tolerances, not quite marketing hype IMO. Since 95% of the companies selling AR "match" barrels are not even selling real match barrels the ones that are should call their barrels something to let people know the barrels are better than what most call a match barrel which in most cases are just SS production barrels that may be lapped or air gauged to who know what tolerance. What good does it do to say your barrels are air gauged unless you tell your customers to what uniformity they are held, if they are gauged and the bore doesn't vary more than .0001" for the entire length of the barrel then then you have a true match barrel but if they are gauged and held to a .001" variation then they are no better than any other production barrel despite being air gauged and most people that sell air gauged barrels(a few come to mind) don't tell you that information. OK so Krieger, Bartlein and Broughton sells "Match" barrels. Shilen and Rainer sells "ultra match" barrels that don't come close to the quality of a Krieger or Bartlein or Broughton so where do you draw the marketing hype line" Oh, ours are ultra super dooper match barrels? We have all seen $200 production barrels shoot just as accurate as these "ultra match" barrels. ETA- uniformity is one thing but if the bore isn't straight it doesn't matter how uniform it is, I've seen many of those barrels that they say have a uniformity of .0001 but look like a banana when checked for straightness. Some production companies are better at drilling straight holes than small custom shops. |
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