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Posted: 11/9/2010 1:56:53 PM EDT
I'm swapping out my Rem 700 bolts for semi's, and am stumbling around a bit trying to figure out what .308 to get. The .308 world seems a bit more complex than the 5.56 world I'm comfortable with, so would appreciate any advice. I'm leaning towards a LaRue OBR. Here are my criteria:
Here's what I've heard: KAC is the best $5000 rifle. Larue is the best $3000 rifle. LMT the best $2300 rifle. DPMS is the best $1500 rifle. Any thoughts or advice? |
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I'm swapping out my Rem 700 bolts for semi's, and am stumbling around a bit trying to figure out what .308 to get. The .308 world seems a bit more complex than the 5.56 world I'm comfortable with, so would appreciate any advice. I'm leaning towards a LaRue OBR. Here are my criteria:
Here's what I've heard: KAC is the best $5000 rifle. Larue is the best $3000 rifle. LMT the best $2300 rifle. DPMS is the best $1500 rifle. Any thoughts or advice? I have a 16" LMT MWS set up for carbine class shooting with a compM4. Have only put 300 rounds thorough it so far but its all been steel cased Tula 308 for sub $5 a box. No cleaning and no failures thus far. Id say get a pair for $4600 and add a few spare barrels / parts for good measure. If weight it critical to you then spend $10,000 on a pair of KACs which I believe are lighter.... Or turn down / dimple the LMT MWS barrels. Keep in mind the barrel swap capability of the LMT MWS. |
| I would also say check POF and LWRC. There is also a SCAR version 17H. Personally for the money i went with a LMT. I just couldn't pull the tigger on anything 3000 k. Also on Larry Vickers show tactical arms there was another version of the SCAR 17 with a little more rail and they said it had been accuratized. Whatever that means it hasn't hit the civilian market yet nor do i know if it will. FN made it by request for socom as a dedicated version of the SCAR 17H to be used as a DMR according to Tactical Arms and the FN rep they had on the show. |
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OBR was used to win 1st 3rd and 4th in the BEnning Sniper Competition this year. It was also the winning rifle used by Adam Poppelwell in the NRA National competition. If you're looking for outstanding accuracy at 1000 as well as 100, OBR guarantees accuracy, warranty, and "if you ain't happy, we ain't happy." Its the most reliable 308 I've owned thus far shooting various types of ammo that my previous rifles would require tuning in order to shoot. Comes with a Chrome BCG and Geiselle's SSA trigger in it. Knockin steel plates with good glass on the OBR is quite easy. Its also available in 16, 18, and 20" configs. I personally own mine with an 18" barrel, magpul PRS, magpul miad, nightforce 2.5-10X, LaRue modded harris BRM-S, YHM QD Suppressor (coming soon gotta wait for papers to clear). I have a crap load of rounds through mine unsuppressed, upwards of 800+ and it has yet to show any signs of needing cleaning.
Forgot to mention, there's the OBR switch gasblock which is easy switch on for suppressed on off for unsuppressed. Also comes with a gas buster CH. It uses PMAGS and come with 2 LaRue made mags. Also, its extraordinarily durable. LaRue's machining and quality are unsurpassed. |
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Thank you all! Lots of good info to digest. I found a similar thread on snipershide debating the exact same options, and there's some good feedback from people who know what they're talking about. I'm thinking KAC just isn't worth the cash for me, and POF and LWRC are just a bit too new for my tastes.
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OBR was used to win 1st 3rd and 4th in the BEnning Sniper Competition this year. It was also the winning rifle used by Adam Poppelwell in the NRA National competition. If you're looking for outstanding accuracy at 1000 as well as 100, OBR guarantees accuracy, warranty, and "if you ain't happy, we ain't happy." Its the most reliable 308 I've owned thus far shooting various types of ammo that my previous rifles would require tuning in order to shoot. Comes with a Chrome BCG and Geiselle's SSA trigger in it. Knockin steel plates with good glass on the OBR is quite easy. Its also available in 16, 18, and 20" configs. I personally own mine with an 18" barrel, magpul PRS, magpul miad, nightforce 2.5-10X, LaRue modded harris BRM-S, YHM QD Suppressor (coming soon gotta wait for papers to clear). I have a crap load of rounds through mine unsuppressed, upwards of 800+ and it has yet to show any signs of needing cleaning. Forgot to mention, there's the OBR switch gasblock which is easy switch on for suppressed on off for unsuppressed. Also comes with a gas buster CH. It uses PMAGS and come with 2 LaRue made mags. Also, its extraordinarily durable. LaRue's machining and quality are unsurpassed. That's excellent info. That's almost exactly how I think I want mine set up (although I'm leaning towards 16" with the length of the suppressor to deal with), and I hadn't heard about the switch gasblock for suppressing (and gas buster CH). Do you have any problems with the charging handle and the PRS stock? From the thread at snipershide, this looks like a pretty nice setup: 
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Thank you all! Lots of good info to digest. I found a similar thread on snipershide debating the exact same options, and there's some good feedback from people who know what they're talking about. I'm thinking KAC just isn't worth the cash for me, and POF and LWRC are just a bit too new for my tastes. Quoted:
OBR was used to win 1st 3rd and 4th in the BEnning Sniper Competition this year. It was also the winning rifle used by Adam Poppelwell in the NRA National competition. If you're looking for outstanding accuracy at 1000 as well as 100, OBR guarantees accuracy, warranty, and "if you ain't happy, we ain't happy." Its the most reliable 308 I've owned thus far shooting various types of ammo that my previous rifles would require tuning in order to shoot. Comes with a Chrome BCG and Geiselle's SSA trigger in it. Knockin steel plates with good glass on the OBR is quite easy. Its also available in 16, 18, and 20" configs. I personally own mine with an 18" barrel, magpul PRS, magpul miad, nightforce 2.5-10X, LaRue modded harris BRM-S, YHM QD Suppressor (coming soon gotta wait for papers to clear). I have a crap load of rounds through mine unsuppressed, upwards of 800+ and it has yet to show any signs of needing cleaning. Forgot to mention, there's the OBR switch gasblock which is easy switch on for suppressed on off for unsuppressed. Also comes with a gas buster CH. It uses PMAGS and come with 2 LaRue made mags. Also, its extraordinarily durable. LaRue's machining and quality are unsurpassed. That's excellent info. That's almost exactly how I think I want mine set up (although I'm leaning towards 16" with the length of the suppressor to deal with), and I hadn't heard about the switch gasblock for suppressing (and gas buster CH). Do you have any problems with the charging handle and the PRS stock? From the thread at snipershide, this looks like a pretty nice setup: http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/mstn/huge/IMG_0007_34.jpg I think I've seen a thread where some one was bothered by the PRS riser/ CH. Not that it prohibited full extension, just that it was kinda in the way. They were considering switching to a CTR with LT's new RISR (when they come out). I have a 16" OBR and love it. |
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Thank you all! Lots of good info to digest. I found a similar thread on snipershide debating the exact same options, and there's some good feedback from people who know what they're talking about. I'm thinking KAC just isn't worth the cash for me, and POF and LWRC are just a bit too new for my tastes. Quoted:
OBR was used to win 1st 3rd and 4th in the BEnning Sniper Competition this year. It was also the winning rifle used by Adam Poppelwell in the NRA National competition. If you're looking for outstanding accuracy at 1000 as well as 100, OBR guarantees accuracy, warranty, and "if you ain't happy, we ain't happy." Its the most reliable 308 I've owned thus far shooting various types of ammo that my previous rifles would require tuning in order to shoot. Comes with a Chrome BCG and Geiselle's SSA trigger in it. Knockin steel plates with good glass on the OBR is quite easy. Its also available in 16, 18, and 20" configs. I personally own mine with an 18" barrel, magpul PRS, magpul miad, nightforce 2.5-10X, LaRue modded harris BRM-S, YHM QD Suppressor (coming soon gotta wait for papers to clear). I have a crap load of rounds through mine unsuppressed, upwards of 800+ and it has yet to show any signs of needing cleaning. Forgot to mention, there's the OBR switch gasblock which is easy switch on for suppressed on off for unsuppressed. Also comes with a gas buster CH. It uses PMAGS and come with 2 LaRue made mags. Also, its extraordinarily durable. LaRue's machining and quality are unsurpassed. That's excellent info. That's almost exactly how I think I want mine set up (although I'm leaning towards 16" with the length of the suppressor to deal with), and I hadn't heard about the switch gasblock for suppressing (and gas buster CH). Do you have any problems with the charging handle and the PRS stock? From the thread at snipershide, this looks like a pretty nice setup: http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/mstn/huge/IMG_0007_34.jpg I think I've seen a thread where some one was bothered by the PRS riser/ CH. Not that it prohibited full extension, just that it was kinda in the way. They were considering switching to a CTR with LT's new RISR (when they come out). I have a 16" OBR and love it. I have had no issues with the Gas Buster and the PRS stock. I ordered the 308 PRS stock with it. One thing I would do different is get a 16" barrel. I like short barrels (and no... thats not what she said) |
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I built my own. I couldn't afford a Knight's SR-25 or a LaRue OBR. LMT's MWS wasn't announced yet. I wanted to use SR-25 style mags and P-Mags, so Armalite and RRA was out of the picture. So my end result was using quality parts. I'm not a DPMS fan, but I had to settle with a DPMS LR-308 chrome bolt, which is serving its purpose (the BCG is the only DPMS part in my gun).
The barrel is a Noveske 
I am going to take off the Surefire comp. and add an AAC 51T brake (going to get a 762-SD in the future...cheaper than a Surefire) |
| Thanks, all - first OBR on it's way. I'll post pics in a month or so when I get her set up. |
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<snip>...and POF and LWRC are just a bit too new for my tastes.</snip> OBR is s great choice. Hopefully they have some additional rail systems in the future and I might be swayed into adding one to my collection. I have a hard time saying "no" to anything LaRue... For the record, POF's piston 308 has been on the market since somewhere around 2006-2007 (to the best of my knowledge) and LWRC's REPR prototype/predecessor, the SABR, has been around since 2008 with the actual first run of REPR's being released within a month or so of the first OBR's. Now the SCAR-H is a bit new to production, but it also has been put through the ringer in prototype for quite some time. So the "too new" statement is misleading, especially if the OBR is somehow exempted from the classification.If you were referring to the use of pistons in the 7.62/308 AR platform as being new...welll that might work. Not knocking your choice, just the stated reasoning. Personal taste in general is good enough reason for me! I certainly agree the KAC price tag is a bit much compared to what you can get from the competition in the market today. Sorry, but I am a stickler for logic. You will enjoy the OBR! 
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Quoted: I built my own. I couldn't afford a Knight's SR-25 or a LaRue OBR. LMT's MWS wasn't announced yet. I wanted to use SR-25 style mags and P-Mags, so Armalite and RRA was out of the picture. So my end result was using quality parts. I'm not a DPMS fan, but I had to settle with a DPMS LR-308 chrome bolt, which is serving its purpose (the BCG is the only DPMS part in my gun). The barrel is a Noveske http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/Guns/100_0287.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/Guns/100_0289.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/Guns/100_0289.jpg I am going to take off the Surefire comp. and add an AAC 51T brake (going to get a 762-SD in the future...cheaper than a Surefire) Would you give more details and final-ish cost? |
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Associated parts list: Upper: - SI Defense Gen II upper (really tight , had to lap the charging handle to slide freely) - BCM Gunfighter 7.62 Mod 4 charging handle - Noveske 7.62 16" bbl w/ KAC style dimples and Cerakoted graphite black - KAC SR-25 URX rifle length - KAC micro 2-600m BUIS - Surefire compensator (to be replaced by an AAC brake) - DPMS chrome BCG (I may switch to an NP3 coated Armalite AR-10 BCG) Lower: - POF-USA P-308 lower (uses ar15 parts kit) - Geissele SSA trigger (awesome!) - KAC rear sling mount endplate (cannot use...lower prevents push-button insertion. I will replace this) - LMT buffer tube - "SLASH" XH .308 buffer w/ modified Armalite spring - Magpul MIAD FDE - Magpul ACS FDE - LMT ambi slector (right side milled) Upper, lower, and URX were Cerakoted FDE Cost is about $2500ish range 
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Quoted: As requested: Associated parts list: Upper: - SI Defense Gen II upper (really tight , had to lap the charging handle to slide freely) - BCM Gunfighter 7.62 Mod 4 charging handle - Noveske 7.62 16" bbl w/ KAC style dimples and Cerakoted graphite black - KAC SR-25 URX rifle length - KAC micro 2-600m BUIS - Surefire compensator (to be replaced by an AAC brake) - DPMS chrome BCG (I may switch to an NP3 coated Armalite AR-10 BCG) Lower: - POF-USA P-308 lower (uses ar15 parts kit) - Geissele SSA trigger (awesome!) - KAC rear sling mount endplate (cannot use...lower prevents push-button insertion. I will replace this) - LMT buffer tube - "SLASH" XH .308 buffer w/ modified Armalite spring - Magpul MIAD FDE - Magpul ACS FDE - LMT ambi slector (right side milled) Upper, lower, and URX were Cerakoted FDE Cost is about $2500ish range http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/IMG_0351.jpg Thanks! OP, carry on. |
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- Surefire compensator (to be replaced by an AAC brake) Why the switch to AAC? That is one sweet build! 
- Joe Because I don't want to spend out the ass for a can. AAC 762-SD - $875 Surefire FA762SS - $1800 I got a Yankee Hill for even cheaper than that but they were on limited deal where I'm at. I spent less than 875 for everything =]. |
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