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Posted: 9/17/2009 6:05:58 AM EDT
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On a 308 AR10 model rifle with a 16 inch barrel what kind of optics would you choose? This would be use for up close work to 150 yards. Would you go red dot or scope. Brand names and powers??
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ACOG would be the only way to go. Minimum magnification. 2-4x max. +1 TA33 3x like so: 
Trijicon site The green horse shoe reticle is new, was not available when I got mine. Green But 150 is not that far, you might consider the EOTech 308: http://www.eotech-inc.com/product.php?id=5&cat=1 |
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I should have also added when I bought the rifle I wanted something more than a 556 so I went with the 308. It was going to be use for close quarters that's why I went with a 16 inch barrel. Now I kind of want something more multi purpose. I bought a Eotech 516 model (never took it out of the box yet) and am thinking about a 3X magnifier with a flip mount to go with it. I thought of a low power scope with an attached red dot may be a better option than the Eotech alone. Seems the best of both worlds. The 16 inch barrel and the caliber is the thing I can't figure out. If it was a 20 or 24 inch barrel I would go with a higher power scope. If it was a 556 I would go with a red dot. But I guess what I'm really asking "What optics goes best with a 308 16 inch barrel rifle?
Joe |
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On a 308 AR10 model rifle with a 16 inch barrel what kind of optics would you choose? This would be use for up close work to 150 yards. Would you go red dot or scope. Brand names and powers?? Joe If money was NO OBJECT? Swaro Z6i 1x6 no question. Give us a pricing range and I will give you my thoughts in that range. |
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Let me ask this. I already have an Eotech. I was thinking of adding the magnifier w/flip mount but as already stated it's going to be heavier. I would like some kind of magnification just to make the rifle more functional in the 308 format. What's everyones thoughts on the Eotech plus magnifier? Good bad or otherwise? Price is a concern. The price for some of the scopes stated would be worth as much as the rifle itself. At that point you might as well bought 2 rifles. One 308 with long distance scope and a 223 with a Red Dot. Maybe that's what I should do? But if I had to put a price on one scope/option it would be no more than the 600 dollar range.
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On a 308 AR10 model rifle with a 16 inch barrel what kind of optics would you choose? This would be use for up close work to 150 yards. Would you go red dot or scope. Brand names and powers?? Joe If money was NO OBJECT? Swaro Z6i 1x6 no question. very good option though, for sure. 
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whats with all the suggestions of magnified optics? Those are all good battle rifle optics, but he said its for strictly close in work. Most of the "work" he is probably referring to usually occurs at 10 or 20 yards (or less). you don't need a scope for shooting man-sized or even head sized targets at 150 yards, and you certainly don't want to be looking through a scope while kicking in doors or whatever. The eotech magnifier is a good idea though... especially since you already have the eotech (the most expensive part of that combo)! I really wouldn't be too concerned about the added weight of the magnifier... have you ever held one? They are pretty tiny. I would however have some kind of backup iron sights. eotechs are really great and durable, but you shouldn't rely solely on any electric (or glass) device, especially for what you plan on using the rifle for. Also, don't discount the value of good old iron sights for close-in work. Once you get comfortable with the factory-style aperture sights, they can be just as quick as any close quarters optic like an eotech or aimpoint, and they are the lightest and most durable option out there. Like Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch likes to say, "a couple of months after the balloon goes up, iron sights will rule the world!" The only downside is in low-light situations. But lets face it –– if you're shooting at anything in the dark, you're going to be blinded anyway from the muzzle flash of that 16" barrel with the .308 cartridge burning half the powder out the end of the muzzle!  jk. I'd stick with the EOTech, a magnifier if you think magnification would help you, and a KAC 200-600 yd. flip up rear sight behind it all. You have an extra inch or so of rail space on top of that .308 over the poodle shooter caliber ones, so you might as well use it up!
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whats with all the suggestions of magnified optics? Those are all good battle rifle optics, but he said its for strictly close in work. Most of the "work" he is probably referring to usually occurs at 10 or 20 yards (or less). you don't need a scope for shooting man-sized or even head sized targets at 150 yards, and you certainly don't want to be looking through a scope while kicking in doors or whatever. The eotech magnifier is a good idea though... especially since you already have the eotech (the most expensive part of that combo)! I really wouldn't be too concerned about the added weight of the magnifier... have you ever held one? They are pretty tiny. I would however have some kind of backup iron sights. eotechs are really great and durable, but you shouldn't rely solely on any electric (or glass) device, especially for what you plan on using the rifle for. Also, don't discount the value of good old iron sights for close-in work. Once you get comfortable with the factory-style aperture sights, they can be just as quick as any close quarters optic like an eotech or aimpoint, and they are the lightest and most durable option out there. Like Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch likes to say, "a couple of months after the balloon goes up, iron sights will rule the world!" The only downside is in low-light situations. But lets face it –– if you're shooting at anything in the dark, you're going to be blinded anyway from the muzzle flash of that 16" barrel with the .308 cartridge burning half the powder out the end of the muzzle! jk. I'd stick with the EOTech, a magnifier if you think magnification would help you, and a KAC 200-600 yd. flip up rear sight behind it all. You have an extra inch or so of rail space on top of that .308 over the poodle shooter caliber ones, so you might as well use it up!My Eotech does co witness with the back and front sight now really well. So I do have BUIS. If the batteries die in the Eotech I can still see the sights through the Eotech. I would want magnification just to have it for longer distance. I would like to put the magnifier on a flip mount and was wondering if it would clear my back sight. I have the DMPS 308 ap4 stock sights and really like them but they are not flip up. Option two would be a powered scope with a red dot set up 45 degrees from the main scope. I'm concern with no magnification of any kind I'm losing the potential of the 308 caliber. Suggestions? Joe |
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I too would get the nightforce 1-4x
If i were on a "budget" I'd get a burris eurodiamond 1-4x with the illuminated dot in the middle, so at 1x it's like a red dot. My ar-10 carbine has a burris 3-10x40 on it and I'll probably move that scope to my bolt and get a 1-4 for it, but for now it does everything I want it to. Or i might keep that scope cause it's on a QD mount and get a red dot of some kind and put that on a QD mount as well. see link below for where i got my scope (it was on sale for 395!!!) http://www.arcadian-sales.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=AS/CTGY/Euro_Diamond_Rifle_Scopes |
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I too would get the nightforce 1-4x If i were on a "budget" I'd get a burris eurodiamond 1-4x with the illuminated dot in the middle, so at 1x it's like a red dot. My ar-10 carbine has a burris 3-10x40 on it and I'll probably move that scope to my bolt and get a 1-4 for it, but for now it does everything I want it to. Or i might keep that scope cause it's on a QD mount and get a red dot of some kind and put that on a QD mount as well. see link below for where i got my scope (it was on sale for 395!!!) http://www.arcadian-sales.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=AS/CTGY/Euro_Diamond_Rifle_Scopes I was trying to stick with my stock sights. The front one is pinned. Can theses scopes work with out removal of front sight? Looks to me they would be in the way? |
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On a 308 AR10 model rifle with a 16 inch barrel what kind of optics would you choose? This would be use for up close work to 150 yards. Would you go red dot or scope. Brand names and powers?? Joe If money was NO OBJECT? Swaro Z6i 1x6 no question. Give us a pricing range and I will give you my thoughts in that range. Yahtzee!! |
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get the magnifier, you already got have the setup. something else, you are the one that has set your distance limit. I shoot my 14.5" 308 out to 300 yards without problems. I am getting ready to swap the scope out and put a US optics SN4 1 - 4 power one it though, since I am getting another longer barreled 308 that'll match balistics with the BDC of the 10x scope.
I would feel very comfortable shooting past 150 with the eotech and a magnifier. |
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On a 308 AR10 model rifle with a 16 inch barrel what kind of optics would you choose? This would be use for up close work to 150 yards. Would you go red dot or scope. Brand names and powers?? Joe If money was NO OBJECT? Swaro Z6i 1x6 no question. Give us a pricing range and I will give you my thoughts in that range. Yahtzee!! Ah I see another with good taste, you must have looked through one then ;) They are sweet. |
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You will be focused at a focal point waaay past the front sight post. You will NOT see your front sight post at any serious magnification ranges. At the lowest power magnification, you MIGHT see a fuzzy black shape at the bottom of your sight picture vaguely resembling a FSB. However, it will not affect operation of the scope.
Of course the tacticool fix is to get a folding set of irons. |
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You will be focused at a focal point waaay past the front sight post. You will NOT see your front sight post at any serious magnification ranges. At the lowest power magnification, you MIGHT see a fuzzy black shape at the bottom of your sight picture vaguely resembling a FSB. However, it will not affect operation of the scope. Of course the tacticool fix is to get a folding set of irons. That's what I thought. I set a pair of binoculars on the top rail for kind of a test. At 7 power the front sight was very noticeable. I guess it all boils down to replacing the front sight (and back) if I want the best solution for a scope or keep the Eotech with a 3X magnifier. Either way this is going to be a heavy rifle. Well that's what you get when you want one tool for all jobs! Joe |
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I went with an ACOG. Not to much, but gives you the option if you wanted to take it out to 600 yards. Which would be well within the rifles abilities. I've shot one with an eotech too, worked good, I just didn't care for the eotechs site. What power did you go with? |
| personally I do not like the 3x magnifiers. They just don't look good for me when I'm shooting them especially if it's an eotech vs an aimpoint. The front sight base is very disturbing to me with this set up. I would either run an aimpoint M4 or a Trijicon accupoint 1-4 with the cross hair reticule. |
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Joey,
if you're really shooting only out to 150yds, you can save a lot of money by just adding a flip-to-side 3x or 4x. With practice, you should be able to shoot reasonably well out past that with your irons (200-300 yds). The 3X is just going to make it a lot easier to tell where your EOTech reticle is steadied on for those 150+ targets. So find a magnifier/flip-to-side and you're set. NO WAY do you go spend a grand+ on an ACOG for what you want. |
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Aimpoint... Or knockoff if you are a cheap ass like me.
I shoot three gun competitions with my LR-308 16" AP4 with the Primary Arms Aimpoint Comp M3 knockoff. We are routinely shooting and 150-200 yds for the rifle portions. Less than $90 shipped to me and good for 200 yds. Oh - BTW - I didn't have to adjust it at all. Set it on the receiver, tightened it down, turned it on, and started blasting the tops of Bowling pins at 125 yds. I have pushed it past 200, but holding over and trying to guestimate is a little sketchy. |
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