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3/18/2007 11:05:26 AM EDT
Any of you barrel makers building 17/223?
cb
3/18/2007 11:31:50 AM EDT
[#1]
They are available, but that caliber fouls barrels quickly.
3/18/2007 2:17:27 PM EDT
[#2]
Worse than 17 remmy or 223?
3/18/2007 3:16:25 PM EDT
[#3]
17/223 is almost exactly the same as a 17 Remington. Bad rep for fouling. 223 does a lot better.
3/24/2007 4:11:32 PM EDT
[#4]
i don't know who you have been listening to but the guys who shoot 17 remmys say the fouling myth is a bunch of bunk.  They get up to 200 rounds off before accuracy starts to deteriorate and that is the time they clean them.  I can't say if any of them are shooting the AR platform though.  But if 17/223 fouls as bad as 17 remmy then I guess I would be good to go.
And I guess no-one on arfcom shoots a 17/223.
cb
3/24/2007 4:23:50 PM EDT
[#5]
I've been listening to a guy who knows. He hunts 70 days a year, when it comes to sporting weapons, he knows.
3/25/2007 5:59:21 AM EDT
[#6]
so he says the 17/223 fouls more than either the 17 Remington or the 223?  That is the question I need answered.
cb
3/25/2007 1:07:19 PM EDT
[#7]
The 17 remington and 17/223 are very similar. Both foul more than the 223. His preference is for the 17 remington fireball, which loses 200 fps in exchange for a much lighter powder charge and reduced fouling.
3/25/2007 1:53:31 PM EDT
[#8]
The 17 caliber fouling "concern" has been over for years.  The early Remington 700 barrels were known for "fouling", but back then you had to work hard to find correct jags, patches, and even brushes.  The bullets weren't anything to brag about either....  

I remember, maybe 1975-1977 a neighbor trying to kill coyotes with one(17 Remington).  The bullets would blow a softball sized chuck out of the shoulder, but not finish the job.  He bitched about fouling too.

He's still got the gun....now he's shooting the Berger 25's.  No fouling to speak of.  Dramatic difference in terminal performance too.  

Today's barrels, even factory barrels, are light years ahead of what those were.  Bullets are readily available, and properly constructed.

I wouldn't be in the least bit afraid to go with a 17/223, especially if that's WHAT YOU WANT.

Pick up a copy of Varmint Hunter Magazine, their is at least one 17 caliber article every issue.  

Talk to the folks at the Woodchuck Den.   http://www.woodchuckden.com/





3/27/2007 6:06:42 AM EDT
[#9]
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The 17 caliber fouling "concern" has been over for years.  The early Remington 700 barrels were known for "fouling", but back then you had to work hard to find correct jags, patches, and even brushes.  The bullets weren't anything to brag about either....  


Remington really gave a bad name to the .17 cal with those old barrels.

I have a .17 rem and a .17 Mach IV (now I guess they are the fireball) and have used them for 5 +/- years.

I hunt with them alot during the year and a quality barrel will have no problems at all.

eta you may want to ask Randal at www.ar15barrels.com in the industry section.
4/1/2007 2:25:12 PM EDT
[#10]
Stay with the basic .17 Rem.  It performs just as well as the 12/223 and you don't have to make your own brass.

I built this AR about 7 years ago with an Olympic Arms SS barrel chambered in .17 Rem.  I love it!  This thing is extremely accurate and will easily shoot under 1 MOA with handloads.  Best yet is .3" for 5 rounds at 100 yds (see target below).  Recoil is almost nonexistant.  A really fun gun to shoot.

Regardless of the urban legends about barrels fouling after 5 or 10 rounds, I think that's BS.  I will routinely run 100 rounds through this one before any noticeable change in group size starts to appear.  That's with normal jacketed bullets.  With moly coated bullets, fouling during a normal shooting day is nonexistant.  A few wet patches followed by a few dry ones and the bore glistens.  A wet patch of Sweet's followed by dry patches a half hour later yields no green stuff whatsoever.





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