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Posted: 9/7/2015 11:35:52 PM EDT
| So I have looked through here and I can't find a thread like this(to be honest i didn't look very hard). I am working on building my first AR and i would like to make a very accurate rifle to at least 500 yds, preferably farther, not that I need it just because I want to. I am currently trying to find a good barrel that won't break the bank but is still a very good barrel. So what are every ones recommendations. I am thinking a 1-7 twist and was planning on a 16 in or 18 in but didn't know if I was better to go longer for the kind of range I am looking for. Any and all help is appreciated. |
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how about an 18" 1-8 twist .223 wylde chambred SS barrel?
here is one i rock http://www.rainierarms.com/rainier-arms-matchtm-223-wylde-barrel-18-spr 
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I'm in the same boat as you, except I'm not planning on 500yds+, I've read a lot of good things about green mountain barrels.
My thought is a 1/8 or 1/9 twist as I don't want to pay the premium for expensive match ammo and I also don't plan on getting into reloading anytime soon. |
| Not trying to be a jerk but a serious question, can you shoot out past 500yds accurately? This is not something you just pick up a rifle and go do. If you are an accomplished shooter, my apologies, carry on and I am out of your business. But if you have never done so, maybe save some money, start smaller? Just a thought with nothing but respect meant. |
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I'm in the same boat as you, except I'm not planning on 500yds+, I've read a lot of good things about green mountain barrels. My thought is a 1/8 or 1/9 twist as I don't want to pay the premium for expensive match ammo and I also don't plan on getting into reloading anytime soon. 1/7 or 1/8. You can shoot 55gr out of a 1/7 just fine. You may not be able to shoot heavier loads out of the 1/9 if you ever choose to. |
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My first question is, what is your budget? $400 or less Rainier Arms Ultramatch .223 Wylde Another option is the LaRue Tactical Stealth barrel - but it's a bit above your price range at $495. It does come with gas block, gas tube, and barrel nut. Link to LaRue Finally - I had great luck with my Odin Works SPR barrel. It was WELL under your budget and they have a 1MOA or better guarantee. OOS at Primary Arms, but it also includes a gas block |
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Not trying to be a jerk but a serious question, can you shoot out past 500yds accurately? This is not something you just pick up a rifle and go do. If you are an accomplished shooter, my apologies, carry on and I am out of your business. But if you have never done so, maybe save some money, start smaller? Just a thought with nothing but respect meant. No the question is completely justified. I am accurate to 500 yds at the local range. I can consistently put 10 rds under 9 inches, I know thats almost 2 MOA but I think its pretty decent considering I've never had any formal shooting training. I really just want to push it out even farther and My Bushmaster Carbon 15 seems to be shit at the 700 yds my buddy has set up in his back yard |
| I bought an Dpms upper 24 in 1-8 barrel, lower has a mil trigger with the jp yellow spring. With handload 68 gr hornady, 75 gr hornady hpbt match and 75 a-max I shot the moa challenge target and all were under moa, at about .75. A tall target test with the 68 grain to test drop the 400 yard rounds all 5 under an inch. scope was a no name midway buy 6-24 on 20 power. This was bought for the bench and an occasional coyote. Built on an Aero lower a-2 stock. I have no complaints with the Dpms and am trying to get a better trigger because I called flyers due to the mil trigger, I have no experiance with building uppers from scratch,buying ar barrels. I would like to say though folks should shoot a known very accurate gun to see if they can shoot to the level of the known accuracy. See where you are at with the trigger skills. |
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Not trying to be a jerk but a serious question, can you shoot out past 500yds accurately? This is not something you just pick up a rifle and go do. If you are an accomplished shooter, my apologies, carry on and I am out of your business. But if you have never done so, maybe save some money, start smaller? Just a thought with nothing but respect meant. Sure it is. I've taken complete novices and had them hitting 8" plates at 600 yds after just a few minutes of coaching. Hard to do with a 2-3 MOA barrel. I've had good luck with Krieger barrels, but they are not cheap. |
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Quoted: So I have looked through here and I can't find a thread like this(to be honest i didn't look very hard). I am working on building my first AR and i would like to make a very accurate rifle to at least 500 yds, preferably farther, not that I need it just because I want to. I am currently trying to find a good barrel that won't break the bank but is still a very good barrel. So what are every ones recommendations. I am thinking a 1-7 twist and was planning on a 16 in or 18 in but didn't know if I was better to go longer for the kind of range I am looking for. Any and all help is appreciated. With a $400 budget, I'd look at the Lothar Walther 20" Varmint Tactical barrel (included matched bolt), which you can choose 1/7 or 1/8 twist. I have a 1/8 twist that has proven to be the most accurate barrel I've ever owned. I took a groundhog at 401 yards with it this year, using a 77gr TMK. With LaRue's recent sales, I'd watch their stuff also. Their barrels have proven to be very accurate, and when on sale you can pick one up under the $400 price point. Some more affordable options include:
Also, Krieger is another one to look at, but they are pricey as well. Good luck! ETA: I recommended a 20" because you noted, "very accurate rifle to at least 500 yds", or more. |
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Quoted: Sure it is. I've taken complete novices and had them hitting 8" plates at 600 yds after just a few minutes of coaching. Hard to do with a 2-3 MOA barrel. I've had good luck with Krieger barrels, but they are not cheap. Quoted: Quoted: Not trying to be a jerk but a serious question, can you shoot out past 500yds accurately? This is not something you just pick up a rifle and go do. If you are an accomplished shooter, my apologies, carry on and I am out of your business. But if you have never done so, maybe save some money, start smaller? Just a thought with nothing but respect meant. Sure it is. I've taken complete novices and had them hitting 8" plates at 600 yds after just a few minutes of coaching. Hard to do with a 2-3 MOA barrel. I've had good luck with Krieger barrels, but they are not cheap. |
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JP Rifles has a .223 Wylde chambered barrel on their site for $360. It is a little long at 22", but JP barrels are top notch, great choice for long range.
For people that think you must be a Hathcock or Quigley to hit at long range, all I can say is that that has not been my experience. It has been my experience that a rack grade AR shooting ball ammo will lead to nothing but frustration at long range (unless you are shooting at targets in the full IPSC target to full sheet of plywood range). Behind a good rifle, with good ammo and a good optic (if you aren't shooting Highpower) I've seen inexperienced wives and children settle in and shoot surprisingly well at distance. People who believe inaccurate rifles/barrels are to be preferred over accurate ones give me a headache, especially when the stated goal is to hit at range. |
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Quoted: JP Rifles has a .223 Wylde chambered barrel on their site for $360. It is a little long at 22", but JP barrels are top notch, great choice for long range. For people that think you must be a Hathcock or Quigley to hit at long range, all I can say is that that has not been my experience. It has been my experience that a rack grade AR shooting ball ammo will lead to nothing but frustration at long range (unless you are shooting at targets in the full IPSC target to full sheet of plywood range). Behind a good rifle, with good ammo and a good optic (if you aren't shooting Highpower) I've seen inexperienced wives and children settle in and shoot surprisingly well at distance. People who believe inaccurate rifles/barrels are to be preferred over accurate ones give me a headache, especially when the stated goal is to hit at range. Your best bet are handloads. Short of that I have had real good luck with Hornady hunting rounds. I too get a headache when people understate the skill involved marksmanship. Not everybody can be Jerry Miculek. But with training average people can do quite well. Just depends on how many accessories you wanna use to help you achieve it...Optics, bags, sleds, trigger, etc. Time behind trigger is important. |
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I don't know about "skill". All you really have to do is understand and follow the fundamentals. They are really simple and most people can do it even if they have never fired a gun before. Steady position, sight picture, breathe control, trigger squeeze, and follow through. It's really that simple, I've seen small women who never shot a gun before quickly out shoot big burly men who have shot guns all their lives. Yes, trigger time is important if you are practicing the fundamentals. If not, then it's not worth much if anything. I will accept that not all people have the coordination to follow the fundamentals or are too dense to understand them, so maybe that is the skill factor you are referring to.
Not to get off topic though. I am NOT an expert, but a heavier barrel will be stiffer and help with accuracy. A longer barrel will not be more accurate but will yield more velocity, so the bullet will get to the target quicker therefore experiencing less environmental effects (which probably will actually help with accuracy). But a big long heavy barrel is no fun to carry around. The marines qualify on man sized targets out to 500 yards with a standard issue M16A4 with a 20" chrome lined barrel and 1:7" twist. I'm no marine (army veteran) but it's something to think about. |
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Quoted: I don't know about "skill". All you really have to do is understand and follow the fundamentals. They are really simple and most people can do it even if they have never fired a gun before. Steady position, sight picture, breathe control, trigger squeeze, and follow through. It's really that simple, I've seen small women who never shot a gun before quickly out shoot big burly men who have shot guns all their lives. Yes, trigger time is important if you are practicing the fundamentals. If not, then it's not worth much if anything. I will accept that not all people have the coordination to follow the fundamentals or are too dense to understand them, so maybe that is the skill factor you are referring to. Not to get off topic though. I am NOT an expert, but a heavier barrel will be stiffer and help with accuracy. A longer barrel will not be more accurate but will yield more velocity, so the bullet will get to the target quicker therefore experiencing less environmental effects (which probably will actually help with accuracy). But a big long heavy barrel is no fun to carry around. The marines qualify on man sized targets out to 500 yards with a standard issue M16A4 with a 20" chrome lined barrel and 1:7" twist. I'm no marine (army veteran) but it's something to think about. |
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I have thought about it very carefully. We seem to agree with most points. Except for the fact that if everybody could do it as easily as you as you summarize, everybody would have a shot at being Jerry Miculek? Maybe go to an Appleseed class if you haven't. Count how many qualify and how many don't. And how many that did qualify have previously attended an Appleseed and failed. I am not saying its impossible. But its a little more involved than walking out shooting a bullseye at 500 yard after somebody says pull the trigger when you breath out. But yea, its not like ninja warrior. And I forget everybody on arfcom is a natural. Quoted:
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I don't know about "skill". All you really have to do is understand and follow the fundamentals. They are really simple and most people can do it even if they have never fired a gun before. Steady position, sight picture, breathe control, trigger squeeze, and follow through. It's really that simple, I've seen small women who never shot a gun before quickly out shoot big burly men who have shot guns all their lives. Yes, trigger time is important if you are practicing the fundamentals. If not, then it's not worth much if anything. I will accept that not all people have the coordination to follow the fundamentals or are too dense to understand them, so maybe that is the skill factor you are referring to. Not to get off topic though. I am NOT an expert, but a heavier barrel will be stiffer and help with accuracy. A longer barrel will not be more accurate but will yield more velocity, so the bullet will get to the target quicker therefore experiencing less environmental effects (which probably will actually help with accuracy). But a big long heavy barrel is no fun to carry around. The marines qualify on man sized targets out to 500 yards with a standard issue M16A4 with a 20" chrome lined barrel and 1:7" twist. I'm no marine (army veteran) but it's something to think about. I said that it is fairly easy to shoot well (by well i mean man sized targets out to 300 yards, maybe 500 yards on a good day. Minute of bad guy. I also said NOT everyone can do it. And I am certainly not talking about jerry miculek level shooting, nowhere near that. I'm no ninja warrior jerry miculek shooter. I just follow the fundamentals of basic rifle marksmanship and recognize their merits. It does take practice to learn the fundamentals, for some people more than others. I think we do agree it's just not translating well over internet. |
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Quoted: I said that it is fairly easy to shoot well (by well i mean man sized targets out to 300 yards, maybe 500 yards on a good day. Minute of bad guy. I also said NOT everyone can do it. And I am certainly not talking about jerry miculek level shooting, nowhere near that. I'm no ninja warrior jerry miculek shooter. I just follow the fundamentals of basic rifle marksmanship and recognize their merits. It does take practice to learn the fundamentals, for some people more than others. I think we do agree it's just not translating well over internet. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't know about "skill". All you really have to do is understand and follow the fundamentals. They are really simple and most people can do it even if they have never fired a gun before. Steady position, sight picture, breathe control, trigger squeeze, and follow through. It's really that simple, I've seen small women who never shot a gun before quickly out shoot big burly men who have shot guns all their lives. Yes, trigger time is important if you are practicing the fundamentals. If not, then it's not worth much if anything. I will accept that not all people have the coordination to follow the fundamentals or are too dense to understand them, so maybe that is the skill factor you are referring to. Not to get off topic though. I am NOT an expert, but a heavier barrel will be stiffer and help with accuracy. A longer barrel will not be more accurate but will yield more velocity, so the bullet will get to the target quicker therefore experiencing less environmental effects (which probably will actually help with accuracy). But a big long heavy barrel is no fun to carry around. The marines qualify on man sized targets out to 500 yards with a standard issue M16A4 with a 20" chrome lined barrel and 1:7" twist. I'm no marine (army veteran) but it's something to think about. I said that it is fairly easy to shoot well (by well i mean man sized targets out to 300 yards, maybe 500 yards on a good day. Minute of bad guy. I also said NOT everyone can do it. And I am certainly not talking about jerry miculek level shooting, nowhere near that. I'm no ninja warrior jerry miculek shooter. I just follow the fundamentals of basic rifle marksmanship and recognize their merits. It does take practice to learn the fundamentals, for some people more than others. I think we do agree it's just not translating well over internet.  |
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