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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:39:10 PM EDT
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Hello all, I just purchased a optic for my 16" Recce build and almost have everything complete. The last component of my build is going to be a trigger and I was wondering if anyone had any experience with the JP Armageddon drop-in trigger? I know JP makes a full kit with trigger and speed hammer though I am looking at only the trigger. In my other AR I have a ALG ACT trigger kit with JP Reliability kit springs which I love, I'm thinking of trying this new trigger with the same springs. Any input? There is only $5 difference between a ALG ACT + JP spring kit and the JP Armageddon trigger + JP spring kit so I am really on the fence with this. Thank you! |
| I'm basically looking for a single stage trigger under $100 with a smooth and glass-rod like trigger break to help tighten up my groups for precision shots. I've had great experience with the NiB ALG ACT trigger kot combined with JP Reliability springs and was going to order that until I stumbled upon the JP trigger. The rolling trigger seems like it would help with trigger finger torquing while firing, I also like the different look of the trigger over standard mil-spec style. Though I'm more curious over the function vs looks. |
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I have the Ez trigger with the Roller. I like the roller a lot. Id deffinaly buy it again. As for the drop in trigger I dont know how it feels lb and travel wise. Have you ever used a ACT ALG trigger kit? Since the ACT ALG is just a coated military trigger I believe the drop-in JP trigger should have the same type of pull with the JP trigger spring kit. I might combine it with a NiB hammer and sear as well if I go that route. So at the moment it's between: 1. ACT ALG Trigger Kit + JP Reliability Springs 2. JP Armageddon Revolutioin Trigger + JP Reliability Springs |
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Have you ever used a ACT ALG trigger kit? Since the ACT ALG is just a coated military trigger I believe the drop-in JP trigger should have the same type of pull with the JP trigger spring kit. I might combine it with a NiB hammer and sear as well if I go that route. So at the moment it's between: 1. ACT ALG Trigger Kit + JP Reliability Springs 2. JP Armageddon Revolutioin Trigger + JP Reliability Springs Quoted:
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I have the Ez trigger with the Roller. I like the roller a lot. Id deffinaly buy it again. As for the drop in trigger I dont know how it feels lb and travel wise. Have you ever used a ACT ALG trigger kit? Since the ACT ALG is just a coated military trigger I believe the drop-in JP trigger should have the same type of pull with the JP trigger spring kit. I might combine it with a NiB hammer and sear as well if I go that route. So at the moment it's between: 1. ACT ALG Trigger Kit + JP Reliability Springs 2. JP Armageddon Revolutioin Trigger + JP Reliability Springs ALG kit is okay, definitely better than std mil spec trigger but there is no way it is in the same league as the JP. I bought the ALG for a cheap dedicated .22 lower and it is ok for that purpose. I have 4 sets of JP triggers, all have been exceptional. You need to use JP speed hammer with all JP trigger units including this Armageddon kit to wring out every last bit of performance. The EZ trigger kit is all inclusive with speed hammer and adjustable safety (simplify disconnector tuning) |
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Either one and do the set screw mod to limit your take-up. I saw the screw mod, while I know it works I'd hate to have the risk of it doubling up and malfunctioning, would rather leave the triggers unmodified. It's looking like I might try the JP trigger though, hope it's worth it at $90 for just the trigger. |
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I saw the screw mod, while I know it works I'd hate to have the risk of it doubling up and malfunctioning, would rather leave the triggers unmodified. It's looking like I might try the JP trigger though, hope it's worth it at $90 for just the trigger. Quoted:
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Either one and do the set screw mod to limit your take-up. I saw the screw mod, while I know it works I'd hate to have the risk of it doubling up and malfunctioning, would rather leave the triggers unmodified. It's looking like I might try the JP trigger though, hope it's worth it at $90 for just the trigger. In what way would it malfunction? If set and locked properly, it's not going anywhere. if it backs out it just allows more takeup |
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I've heard of double taps being possible when this modification is done incorrectly, the chance of it occurring is a deterrent bough I will look into it with more detail.
I've settled on the JP Armageddon Trigger + JP Reliability Spring kit, will report back once I get it in. I will also be polishing the hammer or purchasing a NiB hammer and disconnect. |
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Quoted: You need to use JP speed hammer with all JP trigger units including this Armageddon kit to wring out every last bit of performance. Just a small update. My other AR15 has the JP Reliability Spring Kit + ALG ACT trigger kit and I find it very enjoyable, possibly due to the smoothness of the nickel boron plating and the lightened springs. I had a thought and figured that using the JP Armageddon trigger with mil-spec hammer and sear would still leave some grittiness and not do the trigger any justice, I also looked up the performance benefits of the JP Speed Hammer and saw that it's purpose is to help while using light springs. So I went ahead and ordered a nickel boron plated sear to sit inside the JP Armageddon Trigger and modified my existing mil-spec hammer into a speed hammer—one of the best "free" mods I've ever done. I can't wait to get the JP Armageddon Trigger and JP Spring kits tomorrow to throw this together though I thought I'd just share: 
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Well I'd hate to say this though after installing the trigger with the modified hammer, side by side with the ACT ALG kit (both kits using the JP Enhanced Reliability Spring Kit) the ACT takes the cake hands down. While the ACT ALG feels like breaking a thin rod of glass, no creep, the JP trigger feels just slightly better than a Mil-Spec trigger as there is noticeable creep. I feel as if with the JP Armageddon Trigger all you are getting is a Mil-spec trigger with a fancy trigger shape. I'm now contemplating if I should fire it and break it in, maybe the creep will get better over time, or if I should return the trigger and opt for another ACT ALG kit.
Any thoughts? Here's some pics: 
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So after playing around with the combo for a bit I've realized I don't believe the $85 for this trigger is justified, there just isn't an improvement over the ALG ACT with JP spring kit. This should be a good reference for anyone looking to purchase in the future since I couldn't find any info on it, just go for the ALG ACT if you're trying to stay under $100.
So now that the JP Armageddon trigger is out of the question, I've actually been thinking of paying an extra $60 and getting a CMC Flat Bow trigger. I'd hate to keep shopping triggers, does anyone have a CMC Flat Bow trigger and ALG ACT that can compare the two side by side and give me feedback? Here is the rifle that I've been trying to find a trigger for with the JP Armageddon trigger installed: (P.S. I know there is only the front sight, I had them on before the scope and will be replacing them with another back up sight solution, either 45 degree irons or 45 degree mounted red dot) 
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That would be correct. Its made to be used with mill spec parts. If you wanted the good JP trigger you should have gotten the kit. Quoted:
Quoted: I feel as if with the JP Armageddon Trigger all you are getting is a Mil-spec trigger with a fancy trigger shape. That would be correct. Its made to be used with mill spec parts. If you wanted the good JP trigger you should have gotten the kit. I thought there would be some improvement, I mean for $90 there had to be some kind of upgrade though there really wasn't. The ALG ACT blew away the trigger and includes the complete FCG for less than the JP trigger alone, I was trying to figure out how they justified the price tag. Regardless, the kit is on its way back and after looking around I will be going with the CMC 3.5lb Flat Bow trigger pack. |
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Ok, so you ask advice, someone tells you the jp kit is great with the provided hammer.
You decide to cherry pick the advice you wanted to hear, and try it with a mil spec hammer with mil spec sear surfaces, then complain that the trigger doesn't feel good? This seems to me like ordering a Ford mustang, but instead of the v8 that makes the car fun, you decided to stick with the engine from your old focus. The trigger is part of a system, it is not a stand alone thing. If you only upgrade half your package, you're only going to get half way to your objective Just spend the extra $50 and get the G2s, or if you're really serious about a light, glass-like break, just suck it up, save up and but the ssa-e. Or you could try the rock river 2 stage, I've heard good things but have no first hand experience with that one |
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The adjustable JP trigger as is sold in the kit is awesome.
Hugely better even if you do not fit it to the safety. With it carefully set to the safety you can get the thing to very light pulls. I have had one for 18 years in an AR and 11 years in an AR10. For durability I have them set for slightly more sear engagement on both the hammer/trigger nose and on the hammer/disconnector. Means slightly more take up and over travel but way better than anytbing milspec. The geometry is proper as well which means no camming of the hammer as you pull the trigger. |
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Ok, so you ask advice, someone tells you the jp kit is great with the provided hammer. You decide to cherry pick the advice you wanted to hear, and try it with a mil spec hammer with mil spec sear surfaces, then complain that the trigger doesn't feel good? This seems to me like ordering a Ford mustang, but instead of the v8 that makes the car fun, you decided to stick with the engine from your old focus. The trigger is part of a system, it is not a stand alone thing. If you only upgrade half your package, you're only going to get half way to your objective Just spend the extra $50 and get the G2s, or if you're really serious about a light, glass-like break, just suck it up, save up and but the ssa-e. Or you could try the rock river 2 stage, I've heard good things but have no first hand experience with that one Quoted:
Ok, so you ask advice, someone tells you the jp kit is great with the provided hammer. You decide to cherry pick the advice you wanted to hear, and try it with a mil spec hammer with mil spec sear surfaces, then complain that the trigger doesn't feel good? This seems to me like ordering a Ford mustang, but instead of the v8 that makes the car fun, you decided to stick with the engine from your old focus. The trigger is part of a system, it is not a stand alone thing. If you only upgrade half your package, you're only going to get half way to your objective Just spend the extra $50 and get the G2s, or if you're really serious about a light, glass-like break, just suck it up, save up and but the ssa-e. Or you could try the rock river 2 stage, I've heard good things but have no first hand experience with that one I never asked about the JP Kit, as you can tell by my original post I asked about the JP trigger alone as there was no info to be found anywhere online. Had I wanted to spend near the price of the JP kit ($230) I would've went with a Geiselle SD3 hence why I said sub $100 trigger, but thank you for your opinion. And no right person buys a Mustang without the 5.0 but thank you for that random, irrelevant analogy. I've also been on here long enough to hear horror stories about RRA 2-Stage Kits otherwise I would've went with that trigger, theres plenty of documented failures throughout the forums with very well versed users. Quoted:
The adjustable JP trigger as is sold in the kit is awesome. Hugely better even if you do not fit it to the safety. With it carefully set to the safety you can get the thing to very light pulls. I have had one for 18 years in an AR and 11 years in an AR10. For durability I have them set for slightly more sear engagement on both the hammer/trigger nose and on the hammer/disconnector. Means slightly more take up and over travel but way better than anytbing milspec. The geometry is proper as well which means no camming of the hammer as you pull the trigger. Yes it looks like a solid kit though was originally out of my budget range, I think the CMC 3.5lb Flat Trigger will be my best choice since it seems to be one of the best single stage triggers out there. |
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The RRA 2 Stage problems are overblown from back when they originally released them. They are a solid choice for the money.
Comparing the RRA 2-Stage that is well broken in to my out of the box SSA-E is no comparison. The SSA-E is amazing and tradingplacepawn (site sponsor) has them for $191 shipped if you google the coupon code for $10 off. The single stage JP's I have used are very nice, very very nice I should add but the SSA-E is in another league for precision shooting. You should have used the JP hammer like everyone stated if you wanted to get all that it can do. Another one that is pretty amazing single stage is the Wilson Combat triggers. They break much shorter and reset is shorter than the SSA-E but that is to be expected of a single stage. |
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CMC 3.5lb hands down the best trigger I've used to date, the ALG ACT is not in the same league. Love it so much that my recce lower is staying on my carbine and I'm buying another to replace the ALG ACT trigger in my carbine lower. I paid $152 for it shipped new with a coupon, don't regret one cent, so worth it to spend the extra $87 over the ALG ACT. Only other competitor I haven't tried that seems like it's worth it under $150 would be the Hipertouch EDT though I doubt it's in the same league as the CMC, probably much closer to the ALG ACT.
Basically, if you're looking for a affordable trigger that's actually good and not just decent, don't go cheaper than the CMC 3.5lb drop in. If the CMC trigger was a 100% improvement over mil-spec then ALG ACT was 20%, it's that good. 
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| It depends on what a person is willing to spend. You can't really compaire quality with out figuring in the price. I would expect a $167 dollar drop in self contained trigger to be better than a miss match pieced together trigger or a enhanced mill spec trigger. |
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