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7/31/2014 4:28:33 PM EDT
Last week, I had the opportunity to meet with Terry Bender of High Performance Firearms LLC, aka Hiperfire, and try out his revolutionary Hipertouch triggers. He picked me up and we drove to Gopher Rifle and Revolver Club in Harris, MN, where he is a member. On the drive, among a hundred other topics, he explained how the Hipertouch trigger works. When the hammer is cocked, the toggle springs push down toward the sear and relieve some of the friction between the hammer and sear, resulting in a smoother trigger pull. When the hammer falls, the angle of the springs changes so that they are pushing the hammer toward the firing pin. This design eliminates the inconsistent hammer fall energy of other lightweight triggers.

Gopher has a high power range that stretches from 100 to 1000 yards, and a multi-purpose range with backstops from 50 out to 200 yards. Since I'm far from an expert shooter, we chose to use the multi-purpose range. I warmed up at 50 yards using my 20" franken-gun setup. After two magazines, my finger was freshly attuned to the feel of the standard mil-spec trigger.

I moved to 100 yards and Terry handed me one of the three rifles he'd brought. This one had a Hipertouch 24 - the base model in his growing line-up. The difference was night and day. Pre-travel was much shorter, and what little creep there was was barely noticeable. Sometimes I'm guilty of flinching when I pull the trigger, closing my eyes in anticipation of the bang. But the 24 is so smooth that I was actually surprised when the hammer fell, since I didn't feel it dragging against the sear. This, coupled with the reduced pull weight, tightened up my groups considerably. The reset also felt much shorter, which would've allowed quicker follow-up shots if I was a better aim

Next, I put some rounds downrange using the 24E. What little pre-travel there was in the 24 was ever-so-slightly reduced on the Elite. Same for the reset, not drastically shorter but just enough to feel a difference. My groups tightened up a little more. Maybe it was the trigger, maybe I'd just warmed up more. Either way, I liked the feel of the E over the standard 24.

The last trigger I shot was the 24C. Terry didn't bring the new 24 3G (the 3-gun version) but he assured me that the only difference between it and the Competition version was the shape of the trigger itself. My lack of experience kept me from being able to feel the difference in the pull of the C compared to the E, but the straight trigger with its Hipershoe was an interesting feeling. Terry explained to me that the idea behind the Hipershoe is to keep your finger on the same exact spot every time, since moving your finger up or down will increase or decrease the pull weight, as well as shorten or lengthen the pull. If you remember high school physics, torque = force x lever arm distance.

After a friendly competition at 200 yards with paying for lunch as the stakes (I lost, big surprise) we packed up and headed out. On the drive, Terry talked about his new products and some projects he had going on. One of them was a Hipershoe that's black instead of red, for those who, like myself, prefer the all-black look. We also discussed what I thought about the triggers. I told him basically what's written above, as well as mentioning that the 24E was my favorite of the three. In fact, I now have one in the same 20" rifle I used to warm up that day. Installation was a snap, taking only a few extra steps compared to a standard trigger, and zero extra tools. When I took it out to shoot with some family and friends the following weekend, we were all punching tacks. That's a big deal for me, considering I usually struggled to stay within 2moa. Needless to say, these triggers are a game changer.
7/31/2014 4:59:32 PM EDT
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Very interesting.  Did you get any consideration for this writeup?
7/31/2014 5:20:22 PM EDT
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$200 for an 8lb trigger?
 



ETA:  I stand corrected on the 2-4 lb trigger.  I swear when I looked at OPs link it said "crisp 7-8lb trigger", but I cannot locate it today.  Oh well
7/31/2014 5:31:02 PM EDT
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I tried one I got as a prize from a competition.   I found it to have excessively long take up, travel, and reset.  It felt to me like a really light, smooth Glock trigger.  Maybe it was out of spec, but I certainly wasn't impressed with the feel of it.  The design is very impressive though, and it seems like a good way to get a light trigger to work reliably in a 308 AR.
7/31/2014 5:32:45 PM EDT
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Doesn't look very durable to me.  I'd be curious how they hold up.
7/31/2014 8:15:01 PM EDT
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I tried a couple and am not impressed. What you get is a single stage trigger with a shit load of creep( they call it take up). And a mushy release.  Buy any Geiselle trigger and be happy. Nice shill for the company with all the links to their crappy products.
8/1/2014 12:39:16 AM EDT
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Very interesting.  Did you get any consideration for this writeup?
I'm not even sure what that means. I'm not an expert on triggers as I've never used a Geissele or Timney, but I thought I'd give my input based on my comparison of these triggers compared to a standard mil-spec trigger.

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$200 for an 8lb trigger?
It's a 2-4lb trigger. Where did you even get that number?

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I tried one I got as a prize from a competition.   I found it to have excessively long take up, travel, and reset.  It felt to me like a really light, smooth Glock trigger.  Maybe it was out of spec, but I certainly wasn't impressed with the feel of it.  The design is very impressive though, and it seems like a good way to get a light trigger to work reliably in a 308 AR.
Excessively long compared to what? It's noticeably shortened compared to mil-spec. And that's coming from a total noob. If I can notice the difference, any real experienced shooter should be able to notice the difference ten times over.

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Doesn't look very durable to me.  I'd be curious how they hold up.
Again, based on what? It's a very simple design. Other triggers out there have tiny set screws and parts that need to be loctited into place. I'm honestly not sure where you're coming from.

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I tried a couple and am not impressed. What you get is a single stage trigger with a shit load of creep( they call it take up). And a mushy release.  Buy any Geiselle trigger and be happy. Nice shill for the company with all the links to their crappy products.
I have no idea what you're talking about. I was fortunate enough to get in touch with the guy and try out what I thought were some great products, and I provided the links because I thought it'd be nice to make it easy for anyone who was interested to get to the specific pages. Kindly go jump off a cliff, sir.
8/1/2014 2:05:51 AM EDT
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A-for-effort on Hiperfire's part, but I'll stick with the 'Geissele Game Changers'.
8/1/2014 4:54:06 AM EDT
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Another total noob here with a HT.  I also have a couple G's and other triggers.  I only wish I could describe the difference in detail but I can't yet.  Maybe I could measure the grin on my face when I'm shooting.  Thanks for your description.  I read them to try to understand the difference.  I can say, at this point, I would buy another HT Trigger if it was on sale.
8/1/2014 5:32:00 AM EDT
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I buy only Geissele triggers, and so far nothing from Hiperfire has been inducement to change that plan.
8/1/2014 5:40:13 AM EDT
[#10]
If it ain't broke then don't fix it.

Geissele triggers deliver first rate trigger performance without a bunch of extra springs so why even consider something else?
8/1/2014 5:36:26 PM EDT
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I'm not even sure what that means. I'm not an expert on triggers as I've never used a Geissele or Timney, but I thought I'd give my input based on my comparison of these triggers compared to a standard mil-spec trigger.
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Very interesting.  Did you get any consideration for this writeup?
I'm not even sure what that means. I'm not an expert on triggers as I've never used a Geissele or Timney, but I thought I'd give my input based on my comparison of these triggers compared to a standard mil-spec trigger.
It means did anybody representing the company in any capacity offer you anything of value(from time to material goods) to write this up?  Not saying you are a shill, just saying this write up doesn't yet pass the average Joe smell test.  So please, if you don't mind, answer this.  Did you get anything promised or receive anything for this amazing write up of products I have seen reviewed on various forums, since 2011, and get not very good reviews or mixed at best.  Don't own one, don't know about them.  But own a few Geiselle's that are awesome.  Not to mention the humanitarian side of Bill Geiselle when Jeff Reed was struggling to cling to life.  


 






Edit: OP answered.  Smell test neutralized.  OP has a very meticulous, and interesting writing style.  Good job.  

 
8/1/2014 8:32:14 PM EDT
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It means did anybody representing the company in any capacity offer you anything of value(from time to material goods) to write this up?  Not saying you are a shill, just saying this write up doesn't yet pass the average Joe smell test.  So please, if you don't mind, answer this.  Did you get anything promised or receive anything for this amazing write up of products I have seen reviewed on various forums, since 2011, and get not very good reviews or mixed at best.  Don't own one, don't know about them.  But own a few Geiselle's that are awesome.  Not to mention the humanitarian side of Bill Geiselle when Jeff Reed was struggling to cling to life.    

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Very interesting.  Did you get any consideration for this writeup?
I'm not even sure what that means. I'm not an expert on triggers as I've never used a Geissele or Timney, but I thought I'd give my input based on my comparison of these triggers compared to a standard mil-spec trigger.
It means did anybody representing the company in any capacity offer you anything of value(from time to material goods) to write this up?  Not saying you are a shill, just saying this write up doesn't yet pass the average Joe smell test.  So please, if you don't mind, answer this.  Did you get anything promised or receive anything for this amazing write up of products I have seen reviewed on various forums, since 2011, and get not very good reviews or mixed at best.  Don't own one, don't know about them.  But own a few Geiselle's that are awesome.  Not to mention the humanitarian side of Bill Geiselle when Jeff Reed was struggling to cling to life.    

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No, I didn't get anything for writing this review.
8/1/2014 9:36:47 PM EDT
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Good to know.  We're just cranky about being trolled by shills.  Fuggedaboutit.  Good write up.  You write like a gun magazine writer - are you?
8/1/2014 10:59:45 PM EDT
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Good to know.  We're just cranky about being trolled by shills.  Fuggedaboutit.  Good write up.  You write like a gun magazine writer - are you?
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Nope I've just always written that way. But I appreciate the compliment! As for being cranky, I got a little snippy there too so I guess we're even lol.
8/2/2014 12:17:20 AM EDT
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Nope I've just always written that way. But I appreciate the compliment! As for being cranky, I got a little snippy there too so I guess we're even lol.
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Good to know.  We're just cranky about being trolled by shills.  Fuggedaboutit.  Good write up.  You write like a gun magazine writer - are you?




Nope I've just always written that way. But I appreciate the compliment! As for being cranky, I got a little snippy there too so I guess we're even lol.
LOL yea, the LAST time someone started posting about a "revolutionary new game changing trigger", it turned into a "huge pile of fuckery" with "friends" of the company just happening to register and make their first posts on the site about how great the trigger was.  So there's a little gun shy factor over stuff like this.  





That being said the Hiperfire looks really interesting and the mechanics behind how it works are pretty neat.



 
8/2/2014 2:36:34 PM EDT
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Another total noob here with a HT.  I also have a couple G's and other triggers.  I only wish I could describe the difference in detail but I can't yet.  Maybe I could measure the grin on my face when I'm shooting.  Thanks for your description.  I read them to try to understand the difference.  I can say, at this point, I would buy another HT Trigger if it was on sale.
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What model of each trigger do you own? Honestly, I might pick up a Geissele at some point just so I can see the difference for myself.
8/6/2014 5:25:17 AM EDT
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I have two Geissele SSA-E triggers, I liked the first one so much I got another.  The Hipertouch is the 24E, I think.  I’m at work now so I can’t check.  I also have a Spikes enhanced trigger group in my all Spikes build.  Then there is the Mil-Spec triggers that I started with.  I’m no writer, you may have figured that out by now so I can’t give you details.  I can tell you I like the Geissele’s and the Hipertouch.  I got my second Geissele from http://www.exilemachine.net/shop/ good prices and fast shipping.  Next time I need a trigger I will start my shopping there.  Not sure what I will get though, probably something I don’t have so maybe someday I will be able to describe the difference.  I shoot for fun, and hope for no other reason.
Oh and if exilemachine wants to give me anything for the bump, I’ll take it.
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