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Posted: 3/23/2013 4:27:09 AM EDT
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Any suggestions on which position to pin my stock. Planning to order a DD ar and have it shipped to the Republic of NJ, so needs to have the stock pinned. My problem is I need to decide on which position to pin it, but can't try out any adj stock AR's to help me decide (plus also just got shoulder surgery so can't raise my arm).
Any suggestions pls? Going to use the ar for targt practice, plinking, home defense, and of course zombie protection. Might one day want to try some combat shooting course. thanks |
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I live in CT. and have pinned a few. What I do with mine is hold the rifle by the pistol grip and hold that arm out to see where the end of the stock sits against your arm. If you can do a "Curl" with that arm your good. If the stock overhangs the "Crook" of your arm and it blocks you from doing a curl it needs to come in.
On my guns I go to full extension and click in one notch and pin it there. Still make more than legal length. And the length of pull fits me better than one at full extension. |
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I had to pin one of my stocks for a California "featureless" build. I really wasn't sure how I was going to like the whole featureless AR thing so I pinned my Vltor Emod in a way that I could remove the pin pretty easily. This worked out good because I wasn't happy with the length that I pinned it at originally.
I took a very long, thin allen screw and pinned it so the release couldn't be operated. Here is a bad picture of it 
The screw worked perfect. There was no way to collapse the stock without unthreading the screw but in a minute you could remove the screw (with the lower detached from the upper to stay legal) to make an adjustment. I don't know if this will help you any but it helped a few people out here in Commiefornia. |
If you are getting a MOE then may I suggest the following. Drive the roll pin out (red circle) being careful not to loose the spring that will come flying out. Then go to your local home depot or tractor supply and get some bar stock around the same diameter of the spring. Measure the exact distance you need to fill from the crossbar (the ears that the hand lever pushes on to compress the spring) to the roll pin. See the blue line in the pic below. This "fixes" the stock in place. If you want to make it more permanent than this the just put some JB weld over the roll pin ends once you find the right setting.
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One click away from receiver This. One click from fully closed, maybe second at most. If You think that is too short, You need to shoot more. I have NEVER shot with one fully out. A lot of people are shooting like this these days. I'm one click out on a Colt 4-position (which is missing what would be the first spot out) with a SOPMOD stock and it's too long. Perfect for me was the VLTOR IMOD stock (shorter than a SOPMOD) on the VLTOR 5-position receiver, which has the missing spot that the Colt doesn't have. Basically I'd recommend going a little shorter rather than a little longer. A long length of pull is harder to overcome than a shorter one, at least in my opinion. Pic for reference of the 4- and 5-position receivers 
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One click away from receiver This. One click from fully closed, maybe second at most. If You think that is too short, You need to shoot more. I have NEVER shot with one fully out. Same for me. Would like to try the Bushy Entry stock. But hate to buy one and then find out I don't like it. |
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Oh, we're back to Sully stocks from the bad old ban days.
Concur on one click out; even an A1 fits me pretty well, but have no idea who in hell was supposed to use the A2. For the OP, can you have the collapsible stock in your possession long enough to know what length actually fits you? Moon |
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The collapsing stock is going to be A1 length fully extended. If you shoot the more traditional style of feet parallel to target, get it full length. If you do this and are over 6' tall, get an A2 fixed stock. If you wear very thick clothing, are short or subscribe to the idea of shooting with your feet perpendicular to the target, then you should go to a gun shop or buddy up with someone who owns a preban AR15 to decide where the stock needs to be. |
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I had to pin one of my stocks for a California "featureless" build. I really wasn't sure how I was going to like the whole featureless AR thing so I pinned my Vltor Emod in a way that I could remove the pin pretty easily. This worked out good because I wasn't happy with the length that I pinned it at originally. I took a very long, thin allen screw and pinned it so the release couldn't be operated. Here is a bad picture of it http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh175/jg15photo/gun%20stuff/66964665.jpg The screw worked perfect. There was no way to collapse the stock without unthreading the screw but in a minute you could remove the screw (with the lower detached from the upper to stay legal) to make an adjustment. I don't know if this will help you any but it helped a few people out here in Commiefornia. What happens when you lift the non pinned end? 
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I had to pin one of my stocks for a California "featureless" build. I really wasn't sure how I was going to like the whole featureless AR thing so I pinned my Vltor Emod in a way that I could remove the pin pretty easily. This worked out good because I wasn't happy with the length that I pinned it at originally. I took a very long, thin allen screw and pinned it so the release couldn't be operated. Here is a bad picture of it http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh175/jg15photo/gun%20stuff/66964665.jpg The screw worked perfect. There was no way to collapse the stock without unthreading the screw but in a minute you could remove the screw (with the lower detached from the upper to stay legal) to make an adjustment. I don't know if this will help you any but it helped a few people out here in Commiefornia. What happens when you lift the non pinned end? You know I figured I would have to pin it in two places but after installing the first pin I realized that without breaking the release and probably the stock it wouldn't budge so I left it that way. It's the way the pin goes through the release lever and through the hole (already there) on the Vltor stock. I wish I had better pictures of it! If anybody is really interested I can try and take a few more pictures of it for you. |
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Why don't you ship it to an FFL who will do the compliance work? That way you can decide in person where to pin the stock, before he transfers it to you. This would be the correct answer in my opinion Im 6' tall and prefer 2nd or 3rd slot from fully collapsed (depending on 5 or 6 position tube and stocks length) |
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If you shoot with your shoulders squared up to the target, I'd go 1 click out (maybe 2). Here is an example: http://www.popularairsoft.com/files/images/tom-harris-stickman-gearscout-chriscosta-magpul.jpg Great, my pictures are now used by airsoft and tagged with "Tom Harris"... at least they got Stickman, Costa, Gearscout and Magpul right. |
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If you shoot with your shoulders squared up to the target, I'd go 1 click out (maybe 2). Here is an example: http://www.popularairsoft.com/files/images/tom-harris-stickman-gearscout-chriscosta-magpul.jpg Great, my pictures are now used by airsoft and tagged with "Tom Harris"... at least they got Stickman, Costa, Gearscout and Magpul right. On the magazine! As always great pics!! |
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If you shoot with your shoulders squared up to the target, I'd go 1 click out (maybe 2). Here is an example: http://www.popularairsoft.com/files/images/tom-harris-stickman-gearscout-chriscosta-magpul.jpg Great, my pictures are now used by airsoft and tagged with "Tom Harris"... at least they got Stickman, Costa, Gearscout and Magpul right. Stickman, I have seen your photos all over the place and must say that you have the best photography skills and most visually striking images that I've ever seen. Do you have a book published with some of your work, or do you plan on putting one together some day? |
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Stickman, I have seen your photos all over the place and must say that you have the best photography skills and most visually striking images that I've ever seen. Do you have a book published with some of your work, or do you plan on putting one together some day? For sure. I wish he would send me a couple of tips to use for my D80 so I could take a better rifle picture 
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Magpul is in the process of moving out of Colorado due to the recent mag ban they passed. I have been waiting almost a year for their XTM handstop in foliage green. They released one run finally in black.
It may be a long time till the new stock comes to market. Pinning a stock isn't hard. If you don't think you can do it, compainies like ADCO firearms can. |
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thanks for some of the input. I prefer not to purchase a fixed stock and replace it at this time, cash flow you'know. Probably will go with 1 click out from fully closed, I assume I could always knock out the pin and re-adjust, then drill and pin in a different position if needed.
justs kills me to spend some decent money on a nice DD, and then have to go and drill holes through a perfectly good adj stock to make it nj legal. DD will not ship to NJ, period, so have to go through an out of state FFL, then have it shipped to my FFL here in NJ, between 2x shipping and 2x FFL xfer fees, getting a DD into NJ is not cheap! |
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thanks for some of the input. I prefer not to purchase a fixed stock and replace it at this time, cash flow you'know. Probably will go with 1 click out from fully closed, I assume I could always knock out the pin and re-adjust, then drill and pin in a different position if needed. justs kills me to spend some decent money on a nice DD, and then have to go and drill holes through a perfectly good adj stock to make it nj legal. DD will not ship to NJ, period, so have to go through an out of state FFL, then have it shipped to my FFL here in NJ, between 2x shipping and 2x FFL xfer fees, getting a DD into NJ is not cheap! Well if this is true, I say fuck DD!!! It is perfectly legal for them to ship to a FFL in this state where the compliance work can be performed before you take possession. Having said that you can also have it shipped to a shop in PA that can do the job. Once again, fuck DD and buy something better. |
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